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p.1 #1 · p.1 #1 · LC-E6


I was rather surprised that the new charger packaged with the R5 II and LP-E6P is limited to only 1.0A output. I have a multitude of OEM Canon chargers from over a decade and some are rated 1.0A and many are 1.2A. I just assumed that the 1.2A chargers were the later ones since battery capacity has increased over the years since the original LP-E6. When did they reduce the peak current?

The LP-E6P and LP-EL should easily handle more charge current than 1.0A. I was actually expecting a faster charger for the new battery, but it probably would have added to the cost for it to be smart enough to charge differnt models at different rates.

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Aug 21, 2024 at 03:11 PM
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p.1 #2 · p.1 #2 · LC-E6


I'll have to check my LC-EC received with the R6II, but I got the impression it might be 1.0A.

EDIT: both of my LC-EC are 1.0A.

As I've mentioned before, IMO this was a lost opportunity by Canon to improve the LP-E6 series charger. The option for faster charge speed would be very welcome for those times when you really need it ASAP. I would also have liked to see the option to charge from USB rather than only from an AC socket. On the other hand, each generation of cameras seems to become more energy efficient and the batteries last longer.



Aug 21, 2024 at 03:45 PM
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p.1 #3 · p.1 #3 · LC-E6


There are at least 2 versions of the LC-E6 charger, I have one of each. They are marked with an output of 8.4V / 1.0A and 1.2A. Received with my R6 Mark II's


Aug 21, 2024 at 11:09 PM
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p.1 #4 · p.1 #4 · LC-E6


I suppose enough junk batteries get put on the charger they are hesitant to run the A up too high. Still, the older BP-511 charger seems to pick up on the state of the battery (maybe,) so you'd think they could do that.

Looks like they put a couple 2130mah 18500's in the LP-E6P, should take about 2.5 hours I'd think at 1 A. Which is low but I don't like it too fast especially on an old battery.



Aug 22, 2024 at 12:22 AM
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p.1 #5 · p.1 #5 · LC-E6


There are actually quite a few versions of the Canon charger. It comes up from time to time when someone notices the difference on the back.

https://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/4558370

There's 3 different labels for the person who showed 4 chargers, and none of them are labeled "JET" so there is another type I know exists that's not in the picture.


I'd completely agree that 1/2C is a slow charging rate, but my 5 seconds of searching shows that a Panasonic 18500 with 2040mah capacity only has a 1330ma charge rating. I can find lower capacity batteries with 1C charge rates, so it's possible they require a slower charging rate to get the extra capacity.

Quick blurb on C rating if someone reading this isn't familiar:
https://www.power-sonic.com/blog/what-is-a-battery-c-rating/



Aug 22, 2024 at 12:14 PM
 


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p.1 #6 · p.1 #6 · LC-E6


Based on your links it appears that the older chargers were 1.2A and the newer ones are 1.0A, with some significant overlap. I tend to keep a few of the 1.2A with my travel gear and a couple of the 1.0A at home, where I rarely charge batteries. I weighed a few chargers and the 1.0A are lighter weight, though there have probably been some circuit and construction changes over the years within the 1.0A versions. Some countries may have different rules about chargers although designers usually try to meet the highest requirements at the time.

The P series batteries are debossed with 2INR19/50 on the edge, which I assume is like a 19500 if the numbers are in mm. There's theoretically another 12% capacity over an 18500 from that extra mm diameter. I don't find anything to indicate that size is new compared to the NH or any earlier battery packs. Mainstream companies like Canon tend to use the maker's minimum capacity values, which are at the lower end of the manufacturing target range.

I tested NH, P and EL batteries and noticed a few things. The NH and EL battery management cuts out by 4A. The P battery is still operating at 8.0A. I decided not to abuse it further. The current profile test ramp started at zero and increased in 0.1A increments at 5 second intervals until the upper current limit or 5.6V cutoff was reached. My battery holder is constructed from a generic LP-E6 charging plate and does not have the lowest resistance since I originally put it together for capacity tests at 1.0A. (That's one reason I'm not posting the computer generated charts.) Interestingly the voltage slope is not that much different between the NH and P until near 4A, so it's not clear what if any difference there is in the cells or if it is only the battery management. Most likely the cells are more stable at higher currents even if the P cell impedance is only a little better. My NH batteries are from 2023 or earlier. Though only lightly used they can also make a difference.

The EL battery pack for the flash units is larger, but I'll mention it here since it uses the same charger and was tested in the same set. The voltage drop is substantially lower than that of the P or NH from 2-4A as you would expect for the high drain usage case.

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Aug 22, 2024 at 05:33 PM
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p.1 #7 · p.1 #7 · LC-E6


I don't think I've ever heard of a 19mm diameter battery, although I suppose one could e it or be made, even 18500 is a bit unusual. Here's why I say it's 18500, not a lot if room in there and the different LP-E6 pretty much have to be the same size

https://www.ifixit.com/Teardown/Canon+LP-E6+battery+pack+Teardown/133243



Aug 23, 2024 at 12:41 AM
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p.1 #8 · p.1 #8 · LC-E6


I would prefer the LC-E6e that has the cable instead of the power prong built-in. Always found it a PiTA to plug-in to a wall/power strip...I know...1st world problems.


Aug 23, 2024 at 01:15 PM
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p.1 #9 · p.1 #9 · LC-E6


gossamer88 wrote:
I would prefer the LC-E6e that has the cable instead of the power prong built-in. Always found it a PiTA to plug-in to a wall/power strip...I know...1st world problems.


I think the E is for countries with big honking plugs like BS 1363 in the UK, various former colonies, etc. where a foldout would not be so practical. I like the foldout plugs for North American chargers. They are double insulated and non-polarized, so there is plenty of flexibility. I have a hex (2x3) BS 1363 power strip with adapters that accommodates four Canon or other foldout battery chargers at the same time as well as a bunch of other low power devices. All those AC cables would be a massive pain. I do have several of the 1 foot C7 (figure 8) cords and solid right angle C7 for reducing the clutter of other devices on travel. You can also get C7 to C8 couplers of various types. Parts suppliers used to have posters with numerous IEC 60320 connectors.

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Aug 23, 2024 at 01:40 PM
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p.1 #10 · p.1 #10 · LC-E6


AmbientMike wrote:
I don't think I've ever heard of a 19mm diameter battery, although I suppose one could e it or be made, even 18500 is a bit unusual. Here's why I say it's 18500, not a lot if room in there and the different LP-E6 pretty much have to be the same size

https://www.ifixit.com/Teardown/Canon+LP-E6+battery+pack+Teardown/133243


19/50 may be an incorrect assumption for 19500, but I'm not cutting up one of my precious new P series batteries.
I'm glad to have secured a supply early, since several of the majors are out of stock now. Interestingly all the ones I have including the one with the camera have a date code of 2024 05xx.

I am more confident that INR actually means INR composition (LiNiMnCoO2) in various ratios.

EBH



Aug 23, 2024 at 01:47 PM







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