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p.1 #1 · p.1 #1 · To DS or not DS

I would like to get the RF 85 1.2 and wondering which one to get. The DS version or none DS version.

If you ignore the price difference, how do I choose?

Aug 16, 2024 at 12:11 AM

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p.1 #2 · p.1 #2 · To DS or not DS

Ideally, both. If it must be just one - I’d pick the DS. I rarely shoot in low light, and if I do - I don’t mind raising my ISO. So basically the non-DS is helpful when I cannot raise ISO anymore (indoor sports). For normal portraiture I use the DS 100% of the time. I live in a wooded area, and every single “regular” lens I tried renders trees/branches/leaves quite harsh and distracting to my taste. There’s a thread somewhere on FM where I posted two examples, need to find it…

Edit: here you go https://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/1745724/0&year=2022#15878944

Yaniv wrote:
I would like to get the RF 85 1.2 and wondering which one to get. The DS version or none DS version.

If you ignore the price difference, how do I choose?

Aug 16, 2024 at 12:49 AM

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p.1 #3 · p.1 #3 · To DS or not DS

I watched these two videos and saw other users comparisons when I decided. DS was the easy choice as the rendering is far more pleasing. Yes I’m aware Manny’s video has him saying he prefers the non but his examples for me give me the opposite reaction.

https://youtu.be/_6X0BaG4w-w?si=N9h9p_S0zIm1WKtX

https://youtu.be/gnGpVwldLk8?si=5e8HrEW-wOEp6HBf

I wish Canon had DS versions of the 50 1.2 and 35 as well.

Aug 16, 2024 at 01:03 AM

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p.1 #4 · p.1 #4 · To DS or not DS

bkd3300 wrote:
I wish Canon had DS versions of the 50 1.2 and 35 as well.

Same. It was actually a rumor like a year ago about Canon releasing both 35 1.2 and 35 1.2 DS.
Imagine my frustration when we got a 35 1.4 requiring digital corrections instead...

Aug 16, 2024 at 01:08 AM

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p.1 #5 · p.1 #5 · To DS or not DS

docusync wrote:
Same. It was actually a rumor like a year ago about Canon releasing both 35 1.2 and 35 1.2 DS.
Imagine my frustration when we got a 35 1.4 requiring digital corrections instead...

Oh i didn’t know! Darn it!!!

Aug 16, 2024 at 01:24 AM

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p.1 #6 · p.1 #6 · To DS or not DS

For me, when I found out the DS version was noticeable slower (effective aperture) and actually had less bokeh (even though the DS backgrounds are softer), it was an easy decision. I went directly with the non-DS version and never looked back.

It's probably my most favorite lens (including a RF 50 1.2 and the 500L II). Not sure why I love it so much, because I seldom shoot it, but I do.

Aug 16, 2024 at 07:46 PM

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p.1 #7 · p.1 #7 · To DS or not DS

Yaniv wrote:
I would like to get the RF 85 1.2 and wondering which one to get. The DS version or none DS version.

If you ignore the price difference, how do I choose?

Rent both and let your instincts guide you?

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Mike Jacks0n wrote:
For me, when I found out the DS version was noticeable slower (effective aperture) and actually had less bokeh (even though the DS backgrounds are softer), it was an easy decision. I went directly with the non-DS version and never looked back.

@Yaniv ^ This is the most common reason given for not choosing the DS. IMO you should decide based on the type of bokeh character you prefer instead of just quantity.

Aug 16, 2024 at 07:56 PM

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p.1 #8 · p.1 #8 · To DS or not DS

I really dislike the look of the DS lenses especially when there are specular highlights in the background. Looks like basic PS gaussian blur layer to me.

Aug 17, 2024 at 07:58 PM

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p.1 #9 · p.1 #9 · To DS or not DS

docusync wrote:
Ideally, both. If it must be just one - I’d pick the DS. I rarely shoot in low light, and if I do - I don’t mind raising my ISO. So basically the non-DS is helpful when I cannot raise ISO anymore (indoor sports). For normal portraiture I use the DS 100% of the time. I live in a wooded area, and every single “regular” lens I tried renders trees/branches/leaves quite harsh and distracting to my taste. There’s a thread somewhere on FM where I posted two examples, need to find it…

Edit: here you go https://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/1745724/0&year=2022#15878944

Not to me — if I’m paying for F/1.2 I want the full F/1.2 effect to blow out a busy background. But at F/1.2 I’m not looking for more DOF, which the DS gives.

I have the Sony 100 STF and only use it when shooting in really bright outdoor scenes where the background is not distracting and is an element that I want visible in the frame — like at the beach or garden, etc.

Aug 17, 2024 at 09:32 PM

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p.1 #10 · p.1 #10 · To DS or not DS

Mike Jacks0n wrote:
For me, when I found out the DS version was noticeable slower (effective aperture) and actually had less bokeh (even though the DS backgrounds are softer), it was an easy decision. I went directly with the non-DS version and never looked back.

It's probably my most favorite lens (including a RF 50 1.2 and the 500L II). Not sure why I love it so much, because I seldom shoot it, but I do.

The non-DS version was an easy choice for me for the same reasons

Aug 17, 2024 at 09:39 PM

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p.1 #11 · p.1 #11 · To DS or not DS

bkd3300 wrote:
Oh i didn’t know! Darn it!!!

Just know that the RF 35mm f/1.4L VCM tests as well or better than the EF 35mm f/1.4L II.

https://www.the-digital-picture.com/Reviews/ISO-12233-Sample-Crops.aspx?Lens=1694&Camera=1508&Sample=0&FLI=0&API=0&LensComp=994&CameraComp=0&FLIComp=0&APIComp=0

I think if digital corrections don't obviously degrade image quality, I am happy to make the tradeoff for a smaller, lighter lens design.

Aug 17, 2024 at 10:10 PM

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p.1 #12 · p.1 #12 · To DS or not DS

garyvot wrote:
Just know that the RF 35mm f/1.4L VCM tests as well or better than the EF 35mm f/1.4L II.

https://www.the-digital-picture.com/Reviews/ISO-12233-Sample-Crops.aspx?Lens=1694&Camera=1508&Sample=0&FLI=0&API=0&LensComp=994&CameraComp=0&FLIComp=0&APIComp=0

I think if digital corrections don't obviously degrade image quality, I am happy to make the tradeoff for a smaller, lighter lens design.

I just picked up the RF 34mm 1.4. I have not used it much yet though. It is small!

Aug 18, 2024 at 11:10 PM


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