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p.2 #1 · p.2 #1 · R5II questions

As already mentioned, pre-capture has a Q menu option. While not one-button press to activate, it would be accessible from the Q menu while looking through the EVF. If it's the active option when pressing Q, would be a quick toggle between on and off.

https://cam.start.canon/en/C017/manual/html/UG-03_Shooting-1_0340.html

In step 4 'select items to add' you can see "PRE" as one of the Quick Controls selection options in the illustration.

That said, I feel like it will be a popular feature and Canon will receive a lot of requests to make it faster to turn on and off, so hopefully there will be a firmware update to assign it to a button for single press on/off.

Aug 16, 2024 at 12:05 PM

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p.2 #2 · p.2 #2 · R5II questions

lighthound wrote:
I thought someone reported that you could assign a button to toggle pre-capture on-off using reg / recall? Is this not true?

I'm hoping to use the "Register/recall shooting func" which is effectively a momentary single button press for many preset shooting parameters (for those that don't use it or understand the feature). I currently use it on the R5 to shoot slow shutter drag shoots at anytime. Simply press the single button that you choose to AF with and it applies all the shooting parameters you setup as long as you hold the button (you can also choose to not AF). If that can be setup with pre-shooting, it will be a solid workaround.

It will suck if you have to dive in to the menu (even quick menus), or setup Custom overall modes for it. Maybe someone with one can confirm the "Register/recall shooting func" button allows the preshooting as a parameter?

Aug 16, 2024 at 12:53 PM

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p.2 #3 · p.2 #3 · R5II questions

For anyone with the body willing to check, you'll simply set one of the four or five custom AF buttons to "Register/recall shooting func" and then use the "Info" button for the "Detail Set" to setup the parameters you want to set the button up to do. Fairly simple, but very hidden.

Aug 16, 2024 at 01:01 PM

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p.2 #4 · p.2 #4 · R5II questions

lighthound wrote:
I thought someone reported that you could assign a button to toggle pre-capture on-off using reg / recall? Is this not true?

That wasn’t me lol. I just checked again to make sure I’m not missing anything. I mentioned that the only way to do it fast is to have two identical C modes, one with precapture and another one without. It’s far from an ideal solution but at least something…

Aug 16, 2024 at 01:28 PM

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p.2 #5 · p.2 #5 · R5II questions

Does anyone know if the R5II can capture audio while recording at 2K 240? I’ve found that it does at 4K 120, but nothing definitive for 240fps.

Aug 17, 2024 at 10:42 AM

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p.2 #6 · p.2 #6 · R5II questions

ilkka_nissila wrote:
OM Digital OM-1 (and other models) support pre-capture of up to 70 frames in RAW, Sony A9 III up to 1 second.

I’ve had it for years on the Olympus models. I’d stand there next to these guys with their 600/4s and tell them about this amazing feature and they just shrug their shoulders. Now, years later, everybody suddenly wants it.

It was the same with Olympus and IBIS, way ahead of the other brands for years. And it’s still the case for computational photography. But most people overlook it just because they want redundant resolution.

/rant

Aug 17, 2024 at 10:48 AM

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p.2 #7 · p.2 #7 · R5II questions

ilkka_nissila wrote:
OM Digital OM-1 (and other models) support pre-capture of up to 70 frames in RAW, Sony A9 III up to 1 second.

Thanks for the correction. I based my statement on what I was told by the guide of a photography workshop I was on the week the R5II was announced, when he complained that nobody supported RAW precapture. Interestingly enough, he is a Sony shooter. If I had fact-checked his complaint, as I should have, I would have said none of the other major camera brands support RAW precapture in a full-frame camera except for the recently released A9III.

Just to be clear, I'm not disparaging the OM-1 because it's not full-frame. I switched to full-frame (from APS-C) relatively recently myself, and the OM-1 images posted in the N&W forum clearly demonstrate what a capable camera it is.

Aug 17, 2024 at 04:29 PM

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docusync wrote:
That wasn’t me lol. I just checked again to make sure I’m not missing anything. I mentioned that the only way to do it fast is to have two identical C modes, one with precapture and another one without. It’s far from an ideal solution but at least something…

Definitely doesn't work in 'Recall Shooting Func' unfortunately. I'm just using it as always on. Definitely more files, but its the cost of a pretty good feature. It so good that , I will not buy another body that doesn't have this feature. I'll deal with the extra files. I was shooting next to 3 or 4 people and all I heard was 'Damn... missed it', with a fast twitch subject. And I caught the subject at effectively a 100% capture rate (not in focus, just captured). Priceless. Not sure Nikon can wait until the next gen of bodies to add RAW support for this feature. There might be a mutiny with Sony and Canon users sitting smug when Nikon users miss.

Aug 23, 2024 at 07:00 PM

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p.2 #9 · p.2 #9 · R5II questions

"I mentioned that the only way to do it fast is to have two identical C modes, one with precapture and another one without. It’s far from an ideal solution but at least something…"

I'm not sure I understand this. If you have changed a bunch of other settings while in C1 (with no precapture), when you want to turn precapture on and press the custom button to switch to C2, won't you revert to the C2 settings ? Maybe I'm missing something.

Tough to understand why Canon did not allow a custom button to toggle precapture on/off for stills. The feature is all about unpredictable action, so anything but a quick toggle is too much. They _did_ provide this for video, btw (with a footnote in the manual to say it is not possible for stills). Very puzzling.

Aug 25, 2024 at 02:13 AM

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p.2 #10 · p.2 #10 · R5II questions

Good to know pre-capture can be added to the Q menu and if you don't use the Q menu for other things you can leave it as the last used item and should be quick. Same thing by putting it at the top of the MYMENU1.

For BBAF shooter should be no reason to ever shut it off. If you want to use it then you add a half-shutter press to your usual routine of BBAF shooting. For the shutter AF guys I found if you leave shutter at Spot AF (lock icon) and are mostly using AF-ON for EyeAF then most of the time you aren't half pressing the shutter button anyways unless doing your shots via the Spot AF...I find most are using Spot AF just to help the camera out and then doing their shooting via EyeAF back button anyways. That is how I did it. If you do want pre-capture you half press the shutter and the EyeAF back button overrides the camera doing Spot AF from the half press shutter.

Has anyone checked if it is in the INFO detail set under the custom key "Metering/AF start"? Probably not but that would be a way to have a key just for it if it was there.
The C mode way would also be fairly easy as long as you keep updating your exposure settings (SS/ISO) in both modes you are toggling back and forth. I would typically use M and C1 and disable selection of all the other modes (Av, Tv, C2 etc) and then toggle back and forth via Mf-n. You'd just have to be on top of updating both if light levels are changing...say you are in C1 and you decide to increase SS as more light is available...make sure to toggle into M and increase the SS there also.

Aug 25, 2024 at 07:37 AM

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Aug 25, 2024 at 03:15 PM

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p.2 #12 · p.2 #12 · R5II questions

arbitrage wrote:
Has anyone checked if it is in the INFO detail set under the custom key "Metering/AF start"? Probably not but that would be a way to have a key just for it if it was there.

Lot of AF settings. Tracking, eye detection, AF case settings etc... Anything in particular you looking to confirm?

BTW, I found when trying to bounce back and forth from PRE enabled and disabled, I was missing shots. So, for me... it's just not worth bouncing in and out of the My Menu, YRMV.

Aug 25, 2024 at 04:50 PM

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p.2 #13 · p.2 #13 · R5II questions

AlphaPhotography wrote:
It seems a few members already have their hands on the R5II. I'm hoping they might be able to provide some early insight here.

-Is IBIS wobble fixed with lenses like the 15-35mm f2.8?
-Is stabilization in video with long lenses improved?
-Is animal eye AF and tracking in video improved?
-Is dynamic range in CLOG2 improved vs CLOG3 in the R5?
-How well does preburst work?
-How is real world high ISO performance?(12800)

-How well does preburst work?
Perfectly - My main reason for wanting this body and it is working well.
-How is real world high ISO performance?(12800)
Pretty much same as the R5, I am not seeing too much of a difference.

Aug 25, 2024 at 05:08 PM

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thedutt wrote:
-How well does preburst work?
Perfectly - My main reason for wanting this body and it is working well.
-How is real world high ISO performance?(12800)
Pretty much same as the R5, I am not seeing too much of a difference.

PRE is game changing to those of us who haven't had a usable option. Absolutely game changing. But I'm not impressed with noise handling. Loved the R5 for noise handling, but not a fan so far of the R5 II, in that context. I'm hoping it's just my software but... I'm not really too hopeful, being I'm using the newest ACR. But we'll see.

Aug 25, 2024 at 05:24 PM

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p.2 #15 · p.2 #15 · R5II questions

Mike Jacks0n wrote:
Lot of AF settings. Tracking, eye detection, AF case settings etc... Anything in particular you looking to confirm?

BTW, I found when trying to bounce back and forth from PRE enabled and disabled, I was missing shots. So, for me... it's just not worth bouncing in and out of the My Menu, YRMV.

I just wanted to know if there is a line for Precapture so you could have a button to hold down that would run AF but without precapture or the other way round. I totally forgot to look during my short time with the camera.

Aug 25, 2024 at 06:28 PM

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p.2 #16 · p.2 #16 · R5II questions

arbitrage wrote:
I just wanted to know if there is a line for Precapture so you could have a button to hold down that would run AF but without precapture or the other way round. I totally forgot to look during my short time with the camera.

Gotcha, but no luck. Canon went out of their way to stop the easy access button. I'm curious if that feature is saved for the R1. Either that or I feel like they are trying to skirt a copyright protection. It's just way too purposely locked down. Sucks that there is a single button assignment for the video PRE continuous shooting though...

Aug 26, 2024 at 12:49 AM

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p.2 #17 · p.2 #17 · R5II questions

Mike, it is so hard to tell these days what is software and what is sensor capability. e.g. here are two screenshots of an image i took this last weekend. One of the left is using "FastRawViewer", my culling software, and right is Lightroom without any modifications applied. Both at 100%. Taken at late dusk.

ISO: 12800, 600mm f 5.6 (100-300 /w 2x), 1/40s

Mike Jacks0n wrote:
PRE is game changing to those of us who haven't had a usable option. Absolutely game changing. But I'm not impressed with noise handling. Loved the R5 for noise handling, but not a fan so far of the R5 II, in that context. I'm hoping it's just my software but... I'm not really too hopeful, being I'm using the newest ACR. But we'll see.

Aug 26, 2024 at 11:03 AM

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p.2 #18 · p.2 #18 · R5II questions

Mike Jacks0n wrote:
Gotcha, but no luck. Canon went out of their way to stop the easy access button. I'm curious if that feature is saved for the R1. Either that or I feel like they are trying to skirt a copyright protection. It's just way too purposely locked down. Sucks that there is a single button assignment for the video PRE continuous shooting though...

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of course these days, I don't think canon cares about still. All their improvements seem focused towards video. Still has become an after thought.

Aug 26, 2024 at 11:32 AM

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p.2 #19 · p.2 #19 · R5II questions

thedutt wrote:
Mike, it is so hard to tell these days what is software and what is sensor capability. e.g. here are two screenshots of an image i took this last weekend. One of the left is using "FastRawViewer", my culling software, and right is Lightroom without any modifications applied. Both at 100%. Taken at late dusk.

ISO: 12800, 600mm f 5.6 (100-300 /w 2x), 1/40s

Yep, I just tried putting two 12,800 ISO RAW test files through DPP and I'm hard pressed to see any difference. So, I don't see a reason to worry about noise handling long term.

Aug 26, 2024 at 12:31 PM

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p.2 #20 · p.2 #20 · R5II questions

Oh... one other thing, battery anxiety is a real and powerful thing with this camera. They say the battery life is better, but it doesn't seem that way, at least how I'm using it. I believe the issues I'm finding are from PRE, because this is running all the time for me. As it is, one battery for an afternoon or morning is barely enough. You want at least a second battery. Personally, I didn't plan on using the battery grip but after a week of shooting it, I was finding it too marginal and finally broke down and bought one, along with a 3rd battery (2 extras to go with the included battery). The third might be overkill, but I no longer worry about batteries and feature lockouts.

So just a heads up!

Aug 26, 2024 at 02:57 PM

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