Please could those that have both cameras give me an objective comparison between the two evf's. I know the latter is bigger and brighter, but how much so?
If you could put them side by side and have good 'reflective' look through them in a normal bright type day, as well as a twilight situation that would be great.
What is the experience between the two?
For me I am sure both cameras are going to be great Ito DR and the other specs. However, I am still using my 5dii and enjoy the real world look of the optical finder, and would prefer to get the body that best emulates this.
Other than accidentally switching from photo to video mode on the R5II several times (from muscle memory of the R5 power switch) the R5II feels identical in the hands even though it's a tiny big bigger.
I think optically the r5 is already superb, I upgraded from a 5dii and I would never go back to an optical viewfinder, the ability to preview exposure and see a live histogram is priceless. Only complain is the small lag to turn on via proximity sensor. Is the r5 ii lag reduced? That would be a major improvement in my book even more than eye autofocus.
@Biggles Thanks for the breakdown, I have access to this data. I have also read that the R5ii has a HDR type look to it which is trying to emulate an optical finder. Do u have both, and have looked through them?
I have been using my G1Xiii in conjunction with the 5dii on hiking trips, and do enjoy no having to lift up my glasses to view the image, in fact I rarely look at the lcd on it.
karlfotoz wrote:
@Biggles@ Thanks for the breakdown, I have access to this data. I have also read that the R5ii has a HDR type look to it which is trying to emulate an optical finder. Do u have both, and have looked through them?
I have been using my G1Xiii in conjunction with the 5dii on hiking trips, and do enjoy no having to lift up my glasses to view the image, in fact I rarely look at the lcd on it.
That feature is called OVF Simulation, and it debuted on the EOS R3. Here is an explainer:
The practical benefits of this mode vary somewhat based on the quality of the viewfinder. For example, I have this in my R6 Mark IIs, but without the high-resolution OLED viewfinder of the R3, the effect is not quite the same.
Be aware that when Canon says "optical viewfinder simulation" they mean it: you get no histogram or exposure sim in this mode at all.
biggles2002 wrote:
They are the same size only the VF house is bigger on R5II to fit the EyeControl AF sensors:
Same size, but not same quality. The R5II's EVF is similar to the one in the R3 which also has the same resolution and magnification as the one in the R5. But the R3's EVF is black out free, smooth in low light and overall looks cleaner. Think of it in the way a QLED 4K TV has the same resolution as an OLED 4K TV. The OLED is visually better than the QLED screen even though they have the same resolution.
Hairy Heron wrote:
Same size, but not same quality. The R5II's EVF is similar to the one in the R3 which also has the same resolution and magnification as the one in the R5. But the R3's EVF is black out free, smooth in low light and overall looks cleaner. Think of it in the way a QLED 4K TV has the same resolution as an OLED 4K TV. The OLED is visually better than the QLED screen even though they have the same resolution.
I know it's better but OP said it was bigger so my answer was about size.
astonsenna wrote:
Do any of the R5 or other Canon EVFs drop resolution or framerates when focusing or shooting?
The original R5 does drop refresh rate in low light but you can turn it off using a Custom Setting. I believe that is true for all Canon EVFs. Not sure about resolution.
I'm not seeing any difference or advantage to the image in the R5 II's EVF.
I much prefer the R5's VF design since the R5 II's VF is bulky and gets in the way. Your eye is farther aways, which doesn't help viewing. It's significantly compromised for the ECF, though some may find it better for stray light.
Today I had the opportunity to tryout the R5 MkII EVF. My initial reaction was Wow.
But while trying to calibrate the eye focus, the reality returned. The calibration only worked without my bifocal transition glasses. Without glasses, the calibration only worked if I kept my eyes further away from the EVF. In this position I had problems to oversee the whole screen.
Maybe my problems are associated with my blue eyes. For the sales rep without glasses and dark Iris the calibration went super smooth.
When using the calibrated eye focus I had to always remind myself to stop my eye movement. Now after having returned home to my R5, its EVF doesn’t look any worse. I‘m somewhat cured of my GAS - till tomorrow
Personally, I feel the EVFs are remarkably similar. The new one is a tick better (seems like its smoother with better video acceleration, like a better video card on a PC), but its not night and day. I find the new one handles scenes a little better, so that's a plus, but nothing of substantial value. I do notice the brightness (hardware) and AUTO brightness software improvements, but I ultimately moved away from AUTO brightness to a more stable set manual value to judge exposure better.
crisdesign wrote:
I think optically the r5 is already superb, I upgraded from a 5dii and I would never go back to an optical viewfinder, the ability to preview exposure and see a live histogram is priceless. Only complain is the small lag to turn on via proximity sensor. Is the r5 ii lag reduced? That would be a major improvement in my book even more than eye autofocus.
It might be a little quicker but not massively. I don't feel like its too slow though. On occasion the R5 did feel slow, but oddly not always. But the night and day difference I'm loving is the distance the EVF turns on at. It feels like its been extended by 10mms or so. That comes in handy for me, because there are positions like laying down or seated which need more detection range.
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thedutt wrote:
had the first outing with one - TBH, I didnt even notice a difference. I didnt shoot side by side, so there is that.
Yep, not much in it. I did play with them side by side, and didn't see a huge difference.
If the range of the proximity sensor has increased it might be triggered a bit earlier and feel faster. Thanks for sharing your experience.
Mike Jacks0n wrote:
Personally, I feel the EVFs are remarkably similar. The new one is a tick better (seems like its smoother with better video acceleration, like a better video card on a PC), but its not night and day. I find the new one handles scenes a little better, so that's a plus, but nothing of substantial value. I do notice the brightness (hardware) and AUTO brightness software improvements, but I ultimately moved away from AUTO brightness to a more stable set manual value to judge exposure better.
It might be a little quicker but not massively. I don't feel like its too slow though. On occasion the R5 did feel slow, but oddly not always. But the night and day difference I'm loving is the distance the EVF turns on at. It feels like its been extended by 10mms or so. That comes in handy for me, because there are positions like laying down or seated which need more detection range.
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Yep, not much in it. I did play with them side by side, and didn't see a huge difference.
Thanks for the information re my question. It seems that it might be better for me, given the costs of the R5ii to look for a good used R5 as a worthwhile upgrade to my 5dii. However keep the conversation going, as I think there is some interesting user info coming out. Another posted question mentioned glare with the sun 3/4 behind him so that is also something to look into.
Thanks for the information re my question. It seems that it might be better for me, given the costs of the R5ii to look for a good used R5 as a worthwhile upgrade to my 5dii. However keep the conversation going, as I think there is some interesting user info coming out. Another posted question mentioned glare with the sun 3/4 behind him so that is also something to look into.
The R5 is a great camera. I have one, and the new R5 MKII. I have had glare in the viewfinder of my old R5 when the sun was 3/4 behind me. Have not shot in that condition with the new one yet, but I would expect the same.
Good luck with your decision, you can't go wrong.
Dave
