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p.1 #1 · p.1 #1 · My tripod is not so good in windy conditions


Hi all,

I love my Gitzo Systematic tripod. However even if it is slightly windy (10mph+) I can't take sharp images.

Any ideas what to do? Extra weight? Sand bags? There is no center column to hang anything.

Thanks.



Aug 12, 2024 at 05:39 AM
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p.1 #2 · p.1 #2 · My tripod is not so good in windy conditions


you don't say what model it is or the weight capacity or the lens you are using. Have you tried taking the lens hood off? It can greatly affect your photos.


Aug 12, 2024 at 06:05 AM
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p.1 #3 · p.1 #3 · My tripod is not so good in windy conditions


Wolfgang1756 wrote:
Hi all,

I love my Gitzo Systematic tripod. However even if it is slightly windy (10mph+) I can't take sharp images.

Any ideas what to do? Extra weight? Sand bags? There is no center column to hang anything.

Thanks.


Your Systematic should have a weight-hook on the underside of the top-plate.
Aside from that, we need more info regarding the kit you're mounting (head included),,, also, the model number of your tripod,

The type of feet you use can have an effect, as well as the leg angles you select.

If your camera has image stabilisation, you'll want to turn that off whem your kit is on the tripod.




Aug 12, 2024 at 08:22 AM
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p.1 #4 · p.1 #4 · My tripod is not so good in windy conditions


Also, most people look at the max rated load capacity. In addition, though, you should consider the minimum weight needed to properly tension the legs. Torsional stability tends to be greater when the legs are under tension. For example, if you've got a Series 3 Systematic (like I have), the torsional stability improves a lot with loads over several pounds. This means that if my camera + lens weighs less than that, I need to hang some weight from the hook mentioned above, or else the setup's noticeably more susceptible to shake.

Babarino's point about IS is also important. I've found that with even my newest RF lenses that are "supposed to" sense when the camera's mounted on a tripod, turning IS off helps. This is especially noticeable with longer FL lenses—I've looked through the viewfinder of, for example, my RF 100-500 on an R5 with IS on and off. With it on, I can easily and consistently see the image shift as the IS tries to figure out what to stabilize. Turn IS off and the viewfinder image is rock solid. Less observable with smaller lenses like RF 24-105L, but still visible.



Aug 12, 2024 at 08:41 AM
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p.1 #5 · p.1 #5 · My tripod is not so good in windy conditions


Sorry I should have provided more information. My tripod is the Series 5 4-Section GT5543LS and use it with Gitzo's leveling base system consisting of the GS5321V75 75mm Half Bowl Adapter and the GSLVLS Leveling Base, so there is no hook anymore.

The head is a Arca-Swiss C1 Cube or P1+ Monoball. The camera is a Sony A7R V and the lens can be any lens over 100mm in focal length, but let's say it is the Tamron 150-500mm which is attached to the tripod with its built-in Arca-Swiss compatible tripod mount. And no, IS is not being used. It is turned off.

The feet are the standard "half-dome" rubber feet. The angles of the legs are the maximum stretched out.

So when it is calm, then it is perfect, but even a slight wind and it is not as sharp.

Thanks.



Aug 12, 2024 at 05:09 PM
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p.1 #6 · p.1 #6 · My tripod is not so good in windy conditions


a picture of your setup with camera lens would give a better view/aspect on what is going on. since you have upload capability its easy to do. just keep the size around 2550px x 1600px range.

to start, if to see movement sandbag it over the camera and lens. its going to be test test test.

you can also remove the rubber feet and spike it.

having a big long lens hanging out will affect its stability. a tripod supports it but has limited capability to prevent wind from kissing it.



Aug 12, 2024 at 05:14 PM
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p.1 #7 · p.1 #7 · My tripod is not so good in windy conditions


In general, you don’t want the image stabilization on when on a tripod. But, if wind is making the camera shake, image stabilization might fix the issue. In those cases, take a picture with and without image stabilization turned on.


Aug 12, 2024 at 05:34 PM
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p.1 #8 · p.1 #8 · My tripod is not so good in windy conditions


For the setup you described, definitely try hanging several pounds of weight from the hook. That tripod's great for something like a 500-600 or larger f/4 lens (Canon "Big White" or equivalent), but even the Tammy 150-600 may not load the legs enough to properly tension them against wind.

From my experience, a Gitzo Series 3 Systematic or Mountaineer would be a better match for your gear. Assuming you don't want to buy another expensive support, a weighted bag sounds like a good first approach.



Aug 12, 2024 at 07:46 PM
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p.1 #9 · p.1 #9 · My tripod is not so good in windy conditions


Wolfgang1756 wrote:
Sorry I should have provided more information. My tripod is the Series 5 4-Section GT5543LS and use it with Gitzo's leveling base system consisting of the GS5321V75 75mm Half Bowl Adapter and the GSLVLS Leveling Base, so there is no hook anymore.

The head is a Arca-Swiss C1 Cube or P1+ Monoball. The camera is a Sony A7R V and the lens can be any lens over 100mm in focal length, but let's say it is the Tamron 150-500mm which is attached to the tripod with its built-in Arca-Swiss compatible tripod mount. And no, IS is not being used. It is
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In a variable wind condition (gusts) you have a constant change in wind-pressure pushing against your kit, then the pressure drops as the wind subsides for a brief moment,,, then the wind is back again. This constant change in pressure will tend to relieve the load on the feet on one side. Try spreading the tripod legs at a different angle,,, and possibly add a weight. It should be easy to add weight to the levelling-base knob. Just use a slip-knot and an S hook. A tripod hammoc can also be attached directly to the legs.

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If that tripod is moving in 10 mph wind you either have a 1000mm+ lens on it, damage to the tripod, damage to the lens and/or bayonet, or some other abnormality with the other gizmos you have hung on it.

Regarding the hooks suggestion - more often than not weight on the hook will actually degrade stability in the wind, particularly if you hang your backpack on it. The backpack just becomes a sail with a very high area/weight ratio that exacerbates motion. If you are going to hang something on a hook something compact with a very small cross-sectional area is best. Sandbags on top of the lens are a much better option IMO. Or the tripod hammock referenced in the previous post, as long as you can hang it very low to the ground - which is not easy with a large tripod where the leg spread is substantial. I doubt that the AliExpress one will work with your tripod, at least not low to the ground.



Aug 13, 2024 at 01:11 AM
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p.1 #11 · p.1 #11 · My tripod is not so good in windy conditions


Great suggestions and ideas! Thank you so much

What do you think of this:-

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B08S3P7K4P

Thanks.



Aug 13, 2024 at 01:34 AM
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p.1 #12 · p.1 #12 · My tripod is not so good in windy conditions


GroovyGeek wrote:
If that tripod is moving in 10 mph wind you either have a 1000mm+ lens on it, damage to the tripod, damage to the lens and/or bayonet, or some other abnormality with the other gizmos you have hung on it.

Regarding the hooks suggestion - more often than not weight on the hook will actually degrade stability in the wind, particularly if you hang your backpack on it. The backpack just becomes a sail with a very high area/weight ratio that exacerbates motion. If you are going to hang something on a hook something compact with a very small cross-sectional area
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100% agreement on not "hanging" a weight. I leave my back-pack on the ground, and use a fully adjustable suitcase-belt (strap) to put tension on the tripod. The suitcase belt has a simple alligator "jaw" on one end, and you simply slide it to whatever length you need.

I suspect however, that we're overlooking the feet here, "rubber domed feet" on a Systematic Long spikes would be much better in many cases. My 5-series doesn't budge. Depends on the ground on which you're set up.




Aug 13, 2024 at 08:30 AM
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p.1 #13 · p.1 #13 · My tripod is not so good in windy conditions


no i did suggest that up on my last string there

you can also remove the rubber feet and spike it.

then there's those few missing other variables.

you covered the IS possibility

thats why i asked for a pic of the setup since i/we cant be there.



Aug 13, 2024 at 08:39 AM
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p.1 #14 · p.1 #14 · My tripod is not so good in windy conditions


If you can’t take sharp pictures in 10 mph wind with one of the steadiest tripod in the world like the Gitzo 5 series you have, I doubt the tripod is the problem. Maybe it is due to subject movement under the wind. Try a faster shutter speed or a stationary object.


Aug 14, 2024 at 09:10 PM
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p.1 #15 · p.1 #15 · My tripod is not so good in windy conditions


Faster shutter speed, lower the tripod if possible.

Some photographers add more stability by placing one arm over the lens close to the camera. Seems to work for them as long as shutter speed is not very slow.



Aug 15, 2024 at 12:06 AM
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p.1 #16 · p.1 #16 · My tripod is not so good in windy conditions


It's important to use EFCS to minimize the effects of shutter vibration.

The way the camera is mounted on the tripod head is also important, so that there is no flex between the components. Use of custom plates designed to fit the specific camera model's base can help improve stability.

Finally, this may not be practical (if we're not talking about long lenses but relatively short focal lengths), but fluid heads can help dampen vibration. However, typical fluid head QR plates are not necessarily optimal for mounting from a mirrorless camera's; they're better at long lenses with tripod collars and video cameras with a relatively long base.

It can be useful to use spikes on natural ground to give the tripod legs a firm founding. On man-made surfaces usually the rubber is good as it avoids leaving marks.

From the information given (which leaves a lot of questions) I would try switching to a custom L-bracket or QR plate that is made for that specific camera model, and check that electronic front curtain shutter is on. Probably in windy conditions you also want to use a decently fast shutter speed. You may also want to wait until the wind clears for a moment and take the shots then.



Aug 15, 2024 at 03:32 AM
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p.1 #17 · p.1 #17 · My tripod is not so good in windy conditions


Wolfgang1756 wrote:
Hi all,

I love my Gitzo Systematic tripod. However even if it is slightly windy (10mph+) I can't take sharp images.

Any ideas what to do? Extra weight? Sand bags? There is no center column to hang anything.

Thanks.


Wolfgang,,, is your 5-series tripod "new" or did you buy it used? I'm wondering if your tripods' leg bolts are properly tightened? Those are the bolts that fasten the leg sections to the spider?

I'm also curious about those so-called "domed spikes" that you mentioned, Something's not right there. Check the exact model number on your tripod, and if it's a fairly recent model, it'll have either ball/swivel "BigFoot" feet (no spikes), and the previous generation to that has rubber-capped spikes. When you describe "domed spikes", I think of the feet that have retractable spikes, and those are basically useless in my opinion. They're usually found on small tripods.

https://www.gitzo.com/ca-en/video-rubber-and-skipe-feet-set-of-3-gs5030vsf/



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