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RF28-70F2 VS RF24-70f2.8

  
 
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Toothwalker wrote:
I assume the OP is interested in raw image quality, because it doesn't require a Q&A to figure out that the RF 24-70/2.8 has 4 useful millimeters of extra wide angle coverage, or that it is easier to carry around.

It is not true that all lenses perform equal at f/8. For instance, the f/8 landscape performance (read: sharpness across the frame) of the RF 28-70/2 at 35 mm is better than that of the RF 35/1.8, and much better even than that of the RF 14-35/4. I can't comment on the RF 24-70/2.8, but the 28-70 surprised me in
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That’s only because of how poor the 35mm f1.8 and 14-35mm are really. Such a shame Canon doesn’t focus on the design of affordable, high quality and light glass. Even their 24-105mm f4 is frankly poor compared to other options on the market.

I would understand if they left it to 3rd party manufacturers to do the job or if it were possible to adapt better lenses from other mounts. But we know it’s not the case.

Overall I don’t think that the landscape crowd interests Canon much. Their marketing team seems more interested in highlights grabbing expensive niche glass for events photography.



Aug 15, 2024 at 11:26 PM
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bernardl wrote:
That’s only because of how poor the 35mm f1.8 and 14-35mm are really. Such a shame Canon doesn’t focus on the design of affordable, high quality and light glass. Even their 24-105mm f4 is frankly poor compared to other options on the market.

I would understand if they left it to 3rd party manufacturers to do the job or if it were possible to adapt better lenses from other mounts. But we know it’s not the case.

Overall I don’t think that the landscape crowd interests Canon much. Their marketing team seems more interested in highlights grabbing expensive niche glass for events
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Yup. Protect the outrageous expensive big&heavy very best by crippling and excluding the rest.

That's Canon.




Aug 16, 2024 at 05:17 AM
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rscheffler wrote:
I don't see such differences with the 28-70 and 70-200s, though I think the 28-70 is a bit shorter than 70mm when compared to other 70mm lenses.


There is no need to speculate, because you can always look up the true focal length. Either through the Canon patent for the lens (if you can find it), or more conveniently by visiting
https://www.photonstophotos.net/GeneralTopics/Lenses/OpticalBench/OpticalBenchHub.htm

It is fairly common among lens manufacturers to exaggerate the zoom range or lens aperture by a few percent. They typically round it to the nearest number that people are familiar with, but always in the direction that makes the specs look a bit better.

With mathematically correct rounding, the two lenses above are 29-68/2.1 and 72-194/2.9, respectively.
A difference of 4 mm at 70 mm is certainly noticeable.


Another lens with similar rendering is the new 24-105, and I'd say it's somewhat sharper than the 28-70 at some focal lengths.


I am reading mixed reports about that lens, with the overall consensus pointing to a less than fantastic performance.



bernardl wrote:
But I personally find the combination of a high quality wide prime (such as a 20mm f1.8) and 105mm f2.8 macro lens much more powerful for landscape work.


I never owned a zoom lens before I transitioned to mirrorless. A Distagon 21/2.8 and Makro-Planar 100/2 were always in my bag for landscapes. I still use the Distagon sometimes, because so far Canon has not released something that comes close in ultrawide image quality.



That’s only because of how poor the 35mm f1.8 and 14-35mm are really. Such a shame Canon doesn’t focus on the design of affordable, high quality and light glass. Even their 24-105mm f4 is frankly poor compared to other options on the market.


Well, the 28/2.8 is not bad and the 50/1.8 is among the highest resolving RF lenses at landscape apertures. The only beef that I have with these lenses (and the 35/1.8) is that their coatings are not so good. Shooting against the light guarantees low contrast due to veiling glare.









Aug 16, 2024 at 06:44 AM
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rscheffler wrote:
I don't see such differences with the 28-70 and 70-200s, though I think the 28-70 is a bit shorter than 70mm when compared to other 70mm lenses.

Another lens with similar rendering is the new 24-105, and I'd say it's somewhat sharper than the 28-70 at some focal lengths.


Toothwalker wrote:
There is no need to speculate, because you can always look up the true focal length. Either through the Canon patent for the lens (if you can find it), or more conveniently by visiting
https://www.photonstophotos.net/GeneralTopics/Lenses/OpticalBench/OpticalBenchHub.htm

It is fairly common among lens manufacturers to exaggerate the zoom range or lens aperture by a few percent. They typically round it to the nearest number that people are familiar with, but always in the direction that makes the specs look a bit better.

With mathematically correct rounding, the two lenses above are 29-68/2.1 and 72-194/2.9, respectively.
A difference of 4 mm at 70 mm is
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I first noticed it when I compared directly the 28-70 against the 24-105/2.8 with the camera on a tripod. When both reported 70mm in the EVF, the framing of the 28-70 was noticeably wider.

I am reading mixed reports about that lens, with the overall consensus pointing to a less than fantastic performance.

It might depend on what you want to do with it. I've somewhat purposely ignored reviews and instead borrowed one from Canon for a week-long event where such a lens (like the 28-70) would get a lot of use. I did not have a chance to use it much for landscape type applications, so can't comment on its performance at distances closer to infinity, but for typical people photography I thought it was overall an excellent lens. While it is a long/large lens, I found its balance to be good and the zoom was very fluid and AF was faster than the 28-70. If it is weak (less sharp), it's at 105mm, but even at that focal length I didn't feel it was significantly weaker than a 70-200 zoom. At the wide end I thought it was sharper and higher contrast than the 28-70. But overall I like the 28-70 slightly more than the 24-105 because to my eyes, it has a somewhat gentler rendering/character, which combined with the f/2 look, when desired, I find somewhat more pleasing than the 24-105/2.8 wide open. But both lenses at f/2.8 are more similar than they are different, in respect to bokeh character.

IMO the 24-105Z is a lens you should try in order to form your own conclusions. It definitely is a case of design compromises (such as strong barrel distortion at 24mm) but depending on your expectations and uses for it, might be acceptable.



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I may have gotten the best of both worlds with the 24-105 f/2.8 L IS Z. I haven't used it for landscapes yet, but will on my next visit to Colorado. This thing is really sharp, but too short for wildlife, so the only thing I have shot with it are around the house. Seems good for portraits too. Works well for indoor natural light dog shots too.
Downside is weight and cost. It weighs the same as the RF 100-500.

edit: Wrote this before I saw the preceding post.



Aug 16, 2024 at 10:15 AM
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Alan Kefauver wrote:
I may have gotten the best of both worlds with the 24-105 f/2.8 L IS Z. I haven't used it for landscapes yet, but will on my next visit to Colorado. This thing is really sharp, but too short for wildlife, so the only thing I have shot with it are around the house. Seems good for portraits too. Works well for indoor natural light dog shots too.
Downside is weight and cost. It weighs the same as the RF 100-500.

edit: Wrote this before I saw the preceding post.


No worries, it's good to know you have similar observations. There are a few others here who have it and feel similarly, so I'm unsure where the negative reviews are coming from or what their concerns are (I have not bothered to find them). From my point of view, it's a great lens for people events and does exactly what I need in this kind of lens. The debate for me is whether its broader range outweighs my preference for the 28-70's look. Ideally, I would have both.



Aug 16, 2024 at 12:18 PM
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I love the 24-105 Z. While it is a handful, the rendering, sharpness and contrast are all lovely. Punches above its weight (no pun intended).


Aug 16, 2024 at 12:43 PM
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rscheffler wrote:
No worries, it's good to know you have similar observations. There are a few others here who have it and feel similarly, so I'm unsure where the negative reviews are coming from or what their concerns are (I have not bothered to find them). From my point of view, it's a great lens for people events and does exactly what I need in this kind of lens. The debate for me is whether its broader range outweighs my preference for the 28-70's look. Ideally, I would have both.


My mistake. When you mentioned "the new 24-105", my brain registered that as the f/4 version. New as in RF vs. EF. I don't recall bad reviews of the f/2.8 Z version.



Aug 16, 2024 at 01:23 PM
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