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Leica M11 Firmware Update V2.1.2

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p.6 #1 · p.6 #1 · Leica M11 Firmware Update V2.1.2

highdesertmesa wrote:

What is laughable? The bug itself or the way I described it or myself?
I found your posts are mostly confusing if not offensive

Sep 02, 2024 at 06:06 AM

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p.6 #2 · p.6 #2 · Leica M11 Firmware Update V2.1.2

rsolti13 wrote:
I haven't had a single freeze on my M11P or M11M since 2.1.2, did have freezes before
Not sure if I mentioned it before, but same here, no more freezes.
Not that I had many before, very seldom, but now I haven't had any since updating, and I've been using the camera.

Now I just hope Leica fixes the shutter sensitivity in which if you use anything besides single shot, as soon as you lift your finger after shooting, the trigger continues enabled... not a problem with single.

Sep 02, 2024 at 09:24 AM

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p.6 #3 · p.6 #3 · Leica M11 Firmware Update V2.1.2

rollei35_warton wrote:
What is laughable? The bug itself or the way I described it or myself?
I found your posts are mostly confusing if not offensive

I thought your post was a joke because of the unusual circumstances required to reproduce it. You were serious?

Sep 02, 2024 at 10:23 AM

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p.6 #4 · p.6 #4 · Leica M11 Firmware Update V2.1.2

Malabito wrote:
Now I just hope Leica fixes the shutter sensitivity in which if you use anything besides single shot, as soon as you lift your finger after shooting, the trigger continues enabled... not a problem with single.

I shoot my M11 regularly with continuous shutter either slow or fast and have not noticed anything wrong. Can you please elaborate on what problem you are seeing?

Thanks.

Sep 02, 2024 at 11:26 AM

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p.6 #5 · p.6 #5 · Leica M11 Firmware Update V2.1.2

highdesertmesa wrote:
I thought your post was a joke because of the unusual circumstances required to reproduce it. You were serious?
It's not a joke. I am serious.
You can try it yourself. I can reproduce it 100% everytime.

Sep 02, 2024 at 11:36 AM

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p.6 #6 · p.6 #6 · Leica M11 Firmware Update V2.1.2

highdesertmesa wrote:
I thought your post was a joke because of the unusual circumstances required to reproduce it. You were serious?

There isn't isn't even a way to set shutter at 1/360- He is trolling like he does on a bunch of threads- Also calling you offesnive is silly -

Sep 02, 2024 at 11:40 AM

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p.6 #7 · p.6 #7 · Leica M11 Firmware Update V2.1.2

RustyRus wrote:
There isn't isn't even a way to set shutter at 1/360- He is trolling like he does on a bunch of threads- Also calling you offesnive is silly -

Yes, I can tell by the username this is an imported troll from Leica Forum

Sep 02, 2024 at 11:49 AM

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p.6 #8 · p.6 #8 · Leica M11 Firmware Update V2.1.2

He probably means 1/360sec and I too have seen the 1/100sec exif data even though the image was shot at a different shutter speed and the exposure to match the correct shutter speed. I can't remember the conditions, but I've rarely experienced it, and the most recent being after booting up the camera and taking that first shot... I've never filled an SD card so I've never met the conditions mentioned by Rollei35_warton.

Sep 02, 2024 at 11:52 AM

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p.6 #9 · p.6 #9 · Leica M11 Firmware Update V2.1.2

RustyRus wrote:
There isn't isn't even a way to set shutter at 1/360- He is trolling like he does on a bunch of threads- Also calling you offesnive is silly -

Really? you have never shot your M11 with shutter speed between 250 and 500?
silly is the name of incompetent users who don't even know there is a half stop in between of 250 and 500 on the shutter dial.
And I never troll, your way of defending and disguising your ignorance and incompetency is to dismiss others' saying as "trolling".

Edited on Sep 02, 2024 at 01:55 PM · View previous versions

Sep 02, 2024 at 01:42 PM

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p.6 #10 · p.6 #10 · Leica M11 Firmware Update V2.1.2

highdesertmesa wrote:
Yes, I can tell by the username this is an imported troll from Leica Forum

I know who you are on LUF, same attitude as always, that;s the consistent part of you.

if you don't know, you don't know. It's not a shame to admit your incompetency.
1/360 shutter speed recorded as 1/100 was reported long time ago by others too, I was just simply describing a situation to trigger this bug consistently based on my most recently experience. I just don't understand where the funny and trolling part in this process.

Edited on Sep 02, 2024 at 01:52 PM · View previous versions

Sep 02, 2024 at 01:45 PM

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p.6 #11 · p.6 #11 · Leica M11 Firmware Update V2.1.2

hmzimelka wrote:
He probably means 1/360sec and I too have seen the 1/100sec exif data even though the image was shot at a different shutter speed and the exposure to match the correct shutter speed. I can't remember the conditions, but I've rarely experienced it, and the most recent being after booting up the camera and taking that first shot... I've never filled an SD card so I've never met the conditions mentioned by Rollei35_warton.

There could be some other conditions that trigger this behavior, but I am certain the conditions I described above 100% trigger this bug.
I was out shooting with the camera, and my tiny 64G SD card was full, all the subsequent pictures were stored in internal memory.
so I trigger this error more than 30 times after booting up the camera taking the first shot.

Sep 02, 2024 at 01:49 PM

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p.6 #12 · p.6 #12 · Leica M11 Firmware Update V2.1.2

non-related to the bug in question:

It’s true that Leica M bodies report 1/360s as the shutter speed between 1/250s and 1/500s. However, shouldn’t it be 1/350s instead?

In half-stop increments, the speeds should be: 1/250s, 1/350s, and 1/500s.
In 1/3 stop increments, they should be: 1/250s, 1/320s, 1/400s, and 1/500s.

Sep 02, 2024 at 01:58 PM

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p.6 #13 · p.6 #13 · Leica M11 Firmware Update V2.1.2

rollei35_warton wrote:
There could be some other conditions that trigger this behavior, but I am certain the conditions I described above 100% trigger this bug.
I was out shooting with the camera, and my tiny 64G SD card was full, all the subsequent pictures were stored in internal memory.
so I trigger this error more than 30 times after booting up the camera taking the first shot.

I see.

I just shot 100 images in continuous low, and high, and SS 1/360. No issues. I have never filled my SD card so have yet to meet all the conditions to cause the error. This type of bug is very side case in my use, so is low on my should be fixed priority list.

Certainly not worth arguing with friends over...

Sep 02, 2024 at 02:02 PM

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p.6 #14 · p.6 #14 · Leica M11 Firmware Update V2.1.2

Fred Miranda wrote:
non-related to the bug in question:

It’s true that Leica M bodies report 1/360s as the shutter speed between 1/250s and 1/500s. However, shouldn’t it be 1/350s instead?

In half-stop increments, the speeds should be: 1/250s, 1/350s, and 1/500s.
In 1/3 stop increments, they should be: 1/250s, 1/320s, 1/400s, and 1/500s.

Yea its odd-

Also if you manually select shutter speed from the menu when in bulb, its sets 320

Makes no sense!

Sep 02, 2024 at 02:03 PM

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p.6 #15 · p.6 #15 · Leica M11 Firmware Update V2.1.2

RustyRus wrote:
Yea its odd-

Also if you manually select shutter speed from the menu when in bulb, its sets 320

Makes no sense!

I'm not sure the reason but perhaps Leica still uses the logarithmic scale instead of the more modern linear scale, but this mainly affects shutter speeds of 1/350s and 1/360s.
I’ve always found it confusing, and it’s not just related to the M11.

Sep 02, 2024 at 02:08 PM

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p.6 #16 · p.6 #16 · Leica M11 Firmware Update V2.1.2

Adding to the confusion, I just tested this and the M11 shows a shutter speed of 1/360s in-camera, but the EXIF data of the image taken shows 1/350s! Can we at least be consistent? Hahaha

Sep 02, 2024 at 02:13 PM

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p.6 #17 · p.6 #17 · Leica M11 Firmware Update V2.1.2

Fred Miranda wrote:
I believe Leica still uses the logarithmic scale instead of the more modern linear scale, but this mainly affects shutter speeds of 1/350s and 1/360s.
I’ve always found it confusing, and it’s not just related to the M11.

Why do you think 1/350 is supposed to be more linearly close to the half stop between 1/250 and 1/500 than 1/360.
If we linearly interpolate 250 and 500, it's 375. Shouldn't 1/360 closer to 1/375?

I have no way to verify half stop in other camera. All I have now is Nikon Zs and Fuji Xs, they all do 1/3 stop, so it's certainly 1/320 and 1/400.
Do you know any other camera brands do half stop shutter speed?

Sep 02, 2024 at 02:14 PM

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p.6 #18 · p.6 #18 · Leica M11 Firmware Update V2.1.2

rollei35_warton wrote:
Why do you think 1/350 is supposed to be more linearly close to the half stop between 1/250 and 1/500 than 1/360.
If we linearly interpolate 250 and 500, it's 375. Shouldn't 1/360 closer to 1/375?

I have no way to verify half stop in other camera. All I have now is Nikon Zs and Fuji Xs, they all do 1/3 stop, so it's certainly 1/320 and 1/400.
Do you know any other camera brands do half stop shutter speed?

1/350 is geometrically halfway between 1/250s and 1/500s in terms of light exposure. On my other cameras (Sony, Fuji), when set to 1/2 stop increments instead of 1/3, the progression is: 1/250 (full stop), 1/350s (half-stop), and 1/500s (full stop).

I just checked my Q2, which only displays full stops on the dial but allows for intermediate (1/3 stop) increments. The available speeds are 1/250s, 1/320s, 1/400s, and 1/500s, which is correct. However, this highlights another discrepancy: Leica M bodies use 1/2 stop increments, while the Q series operates at 1/3 stop increments...

Sep 02, 2024 at 02:28 PM

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p.6 #19 · p.6 #19 · Leica M11 Firmware Update V2.1.2

Fred Miranda wrote:
1/350 is geometrically halfway between 1/250s and 1/500s in terms of light exposure. On my other cameras (Sony, Fuji), when set to 1/2 stop increments instead of 1/3, the progression is: 1/250 (full stop), 1/350s (half-stop), and 1/500s (full stop).

I just checked my Q2, which only displays full stops on the dial but allows for intermediate (1/3 stop) increments. The available speeds are 1/250s, 1/320s, 1/400s, and 1/500s, which is correct. However, this highlights another discrepancy: Leica M bodies use 1/2 stop increments, while the Q series operates at 1/3 stop increments...

I see. To be exact, I just did the calculation myself,
the geometric mean of 250 and 500 is 353.55
the geometric one-third of 250 and 500 is 314.98 and 396.85
So you are right,
but I sold my Q2 years ago, I don't know about this discrepancy. I don't remember there are 2 clicks or 1 click between the two full stops on shutter dial.

Edited on Sep 02, 2024 at 03:03 PM · View previous versions

Sep 02, 2024 at 03:00 PM

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p.6 #20 · p.6 #20 · Leica M11 Firmware Update V2.1.2

rollei35_warton wrote:
I know who you are on LUF, same attitude as always, that;s the consistent part of you.

if you don't know, you don't know. It's not a shame to admit your incompetency.
1/360 shutter speed recorded as 1/100 was reported long time ago by others too, I was just simply describing a situation to trigger this bug consistently based on my most recently experience. I just don't understand where the funny and trolling part in this process.

The conditions you outlined to trigger the bug are so niche they are unlikely to affect many people. I think it was reasonable to assume you were joking. Not sure what you’re talking about regarding the 1/360 sec. — maybe you’re confusing me with someone else that questioned the shutter speed.

Adding you to my ignore list, so a response will not be seen by me.

Sep 02, 2024 at 03:00 PM

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