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Leica M11 Firmware Update V2.1.2

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p.3 #1 · p.3 #1 · Leica M11 Firmware Update V2.1.2

highdesertmesa wrote:
Make sure and do a factory reset afterward. Don't save your user profiles – discard and rebuild them.

Hope the update works well for you.

Why will he need to do a factory reset and rebuild the profiles?

I don't see this writing anywhere in the firmware doc.

Aug 14, 2024 at 11:28 PM

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p.3 #2 · p.3 #2 · Leica M11 Firmware Update V2.1.2

Malabito wrote:
Why will he need to do a factory reset and rebuild the profiles?

I don't see this writing anywhere in the firmware doc.

It seems it was advice given as a precaution due to the freezing issues reported with the previous firmware. Ideally, this shouldn't be necessary, but if the camera had problems with the previous firmware, it might be a good idea to reset it to factory settings and start fresh.

Aug 14, 2024 at 11:39 PM

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p.3 #3 · p.3 #3 · Leica M11 Firmware Update V2.1.2

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It seems it was advice given as a precaution due to the freezing issues reported with the previous firmware. Ideally, this shouldn't be necessary, but if the camera had problems with the previous firmware, it might be a good idea to reset it to factory settings and start fresh.

It just doesn't make any sense... we are having all sort of advices, like disable lens detect, disable dust protection, use only none coded lenses, use only coded lenses.... No one really knows what's the reason for the freezes. These are all speculations.....I guess it doesn't hurt to do it, but i wouldn't waste my time with it.

Aug 15, 2024 at 12:10 AM

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p.3 #4 · p.3 #4 · Leica M11 Firmware Update V2.1.2

Malabito wrote:
It just doesn't make any sense... we are having all sort of advices, like disable lens detect, disable dust protection, use only none coded lenses, use only coded lenses.... No one really knows what's the reason for the freezes. These are all speculations.....I guess it doesn't hurt to do it, but i wouldn't waste my time with it.

I agree that users shouldn’t have to be troubleshooters, but I’m sure most of the advice comes from those trying to help. It’s been frustrating, but hopefully, Leica will resolve this soon so all M11 shooters can have stable cameras.

Aug 15, 2024 at 12:24 AM

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p.3 #5 · p.3 #5 · Leica M11 Firmware Update V2.1.2

Yeah, if there is any potential for less freezes then having to redo profiles because of a factory reset doesn’t bother me. I have my M11-M and M11-P set up almost exactly the same, should be easy

Aug 15, 2024 at 05:10 AM

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p.3 #6 · p.3 #6 · Leica M11 Firmware Update V2.1.2

rsolti13 wrote:
Yeah, if there is any potential for less freezes then having to redo profiles because of a factory reset doesn’t bother me. I have my M11-M and M11-P set up almost exactly the same, should be easy
There is no real potential... it's more of a placebo effect

but if it makes things work better for you, great.
I haven't done any factory nor profile resets...and haven't had any issues, just the usual once-in-a-while freezes, very seldom.

Aug 15, 2024 at 06:00 AM

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p.3 #7 · p.3 #7 · Leica M11 Firmware Update V2.1.2

Malabito wrote:
Why will he need to do a factory reset and rebuild the profiles?

I don't see this writing anywhere in the firmware doc.

A reset is recommended on the last page of the firmware release notes. Rebuilding the profiles is recommended due to feedback afterward from users. Several users solved lingering issues or new glitches after the update by resetting the profiles and not reimporting them but rather rebuilding them.

https://leica-camera.com/sites/default/files/en_2.1.2-m-family-release-notes.pdf

Aug 15, 2024 at 07:02 AM

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p.3 #8 · p.3 #8 · Leica M11 Firmware Update V2.1.2

highdesertmesa wrote:
A reset is recommended on the last page of the firmware release notes. Rebuilding the profiles is recommended due to feedback afterward from users. Several users solved lingering issues or new glitches after the update by resetting the profiles and not reimporting them but rather rebuilding them.

https://leica-camera.com/sites/default/files/en_2.1.2-m-family-release-notes.pdf

Thanks! I have not seen that.

Aug 15, 2024 at 09:13 AM

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p.3 #9 · p.3 #9 · Leica M11 Firmware Update V2.1.2

Malabito wrote:
Thanks! I have not seen that.

The updates across all the current cameras – M11, Q3, and SL3 – fix a common problem with how they write images to internal and card storage, so it could be this update is a bit more foundational than previous ones, hence the reset instructions.

Also could just be lingering instructions they've had for a while, I'm not sure. I never read the full release notes before to know.

Aug 15, 2024 at 09:29 AM

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p.3 #10 · p.3 #10 · Leica M11 Firmware Update V2.1.2

I think those "full reset to factory settings" instructions are just left over boilerplate from an earlier time that should be removed. Leica now offers the user the ability to save user profiles before the firmware update happens. That's a convenience feature that Leica offers and it wouldn't be there if it wasn't safe to do.

This full reset issue is in the ever changing list of settings being recommended by some M11 owners. They are like the parable of the blind men and the elephant. You might as well throw a pinch of salt over your shoulder while you're at it.

Aug 15, 2024 at 01:53 PM

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p.3 #11 · p.3 #11 · Leica M11 Firmware Update V2.1.2

goodbokeh wrote:
I think those "full reset to factory settings" instructions are just left over boilerplate from an earlier time that should be removed. Leica now offers the user the ability to save user profiles before the firmware update happens. That's a convenience feature that Leica offers and it wouldn't be there if it wasn't safe to do.

This full reset issue is in the ever changing list of settings being recommended by some M11 owners. They are like the parable of the blind men and the elephant. You might as well throw a pinch of salt over your shoulder while you're...Show more →

The instructions to reset might have been left there unintentionally – we don't know. But we do know that issues that persist or were introduced by this update have been fixed for some by performing the factory reset.

For previous versions of the M11 firmware, I've had issues that were cleared up by a reset, so it's not just voodoo from my point of view.

Aug 15, 2024 at 03:49 PM

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p.3 #12 · p.3 #12 · Leica M11 Firmware Update V2.1.2

highdesertmesa wrote:
The instructions to reset might have been left there unintentionally – we don't know. But we do know that issues that persist or were introduced by this update have been fixed for some by performing the factory reset.

For previous versions of the M11 firmware, I've had issues that were cleared up by a reset, so it's not just voodoo from my point of view.

Good advice IMO. Something I try to do after every camera firmware update regardless of brand. I think a digital camera reset is probably equivalent to the universal & timeless advice to clear cache on a web browser, reboot a PC or the best practice of turning off and on an iPhone or iPad at least once a week.

I've seen evidence from others on the forums and in my own experience that a camera reset can sometimes ( not always) clear up some minor issues. Certainly doesn't hurt to try if needed.

Aug 16, 2024 at 08:47 AM

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p.3 #13 · p.3 #13 · Leica M11 Firmware Update V2.1.2

I've been testing the M11 for the past two days with firmware v2.1.2, and so far, I haven't encountered any freezes. If any issues arise, I'll be sure to report them. My previous cameras with earlier firmware versions used to freeze frequently. I am using the same SD card and settings as before.

Aug 21, 2024 at 01:48 PM

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p.3 #14 · p.3 #14 · Leica M11 Firmware Update V2.1.2

Fred Miranda wrote:
I've been testing the M11 for the past two days with firmware v2.1.2, and so far, I haven't encountered any freezes. If any issues arise, I'll be sure to report them. My previous cameras with earlier firmware versions used to freeze frequently. I am using the same SD card and settings as before.

Same here. I've had minimal freezing but since this update . . . none! OK, now I've jinxed myself!

Aug 21, 2024 at 02:09 PM

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p.3 #15 · p.3 #15 · Leica M11 Firmware Update V2.1.2

Fred Miranda wrote:
I've been testing the M11 for the past two days with firmware v2.1.2, and so far, I haven't encountered any freezes. If any issues arise, I'll be sure to report them. My previous cameras with earlier firmware versions used to freeze frequently. I am using the same SD card and settings as before.

My guess is that you will still get the rare freeze. In line with other Leica cameras. But it should not be an issue overall anymore.

Aug 21, 2024 at 03:09 PM

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p.3 #16 · p.3 #16 · Leica M11 Firmware Update V2.1.2

1bwana1 wrote:
My guess is that you will still get the rare freeze. In line with other Leica cameras. But it should not be an issue overall anymore.

I haven’t experienced any freezes with my M10-R, even though I use it almost daily. I’m using the M11 in the same way, and so far, it’s performing as expected. Compared to my previous versions, I would have likely encountered freezes by now, so it seems Leica is on the right track.

I still don’t like the color output at all. The magenta cast remains when editing the DNG files in Lightroom.

Aug 21, 2024 at 03:40 PM

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p.3 #17 · p.3 #17 · Leica M11 Firmware Update V2.1.2

Fred Miranda wrote:
I haven’t experienced any freezes with my M10-R, even though I use it almost daily. I’m using the M11 in the same way, and so far, it’s performing as expected. Compared to my previous versions, I would have likely encountered freezes by now, so it seems Leica is on the right track.

I still don’t like the color output at all. The magenta cast remains when editing the DNG files in Lightroom.

Crazy they haven’t fixed the magenta tint issue. SL3 doesn’t have the same problem.

When I had the M11, I had to leave it in Daylight WB so that the amount of tint shift toward green needed in C1 would stay the same for all my shots.

Aug 21, 2024 at 04:13 PM

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p.3 #18 · p.3 #18 · Leica M11 Firmware Update V2.1.2

highdesertmesa wrote:
Crazy they haven’t fixed the magenta tint issue. SL3 doesn’t have the same problem.

When I had the M11, I had to leave it in Daylight WB so that the amount of tint shift toward green needed in C1 would stay the same for all my shots.

It’s particularly noticeable if you’re used to the M10’s color and tint accuracy. When I first tried the M11, this was the first thing I noticed, and I thought it would be a top priority for Leica to address. While people may eventually adjust to it, I personally find it to be the least favorable color output among all Leica digital cameras.

After correcting the tint in post-processing (by reducing some of the magenta, depending on the image), the colors are accurate, but I still prefer the color rendition of the M240 and M10 series, which have a bit more cyan in the blues and slightly more orange in the reds and more slightly more yellow in the greens.

It's possible to tweak the M11 colors to resemble those of the M10-R (I have a Cobat profile for that), but you’ll also need to adjust the tint.

Aug 21, 2024 at 04:27 PM

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p.3 #19 · p.3 #19 · Leica M11 Firmware Update V2.1.2

Fred Miranda wrote:
It’s particularly noticeable if you’re used to the M10’s color and tint accuracy. When I first tried the M11, this was the first thing I noticed, and I thought it would be a top priority for Leica to address. While people may eventually adjust to it, I personally find it to be the least favorable color output among all Leica digital cameras.

After correcting the tint in post-processing (by reducing some of the magenta, depending on the image), the colors are accurate, but I still prefer the color rendition of the M240 and M10 series, which have a bit...Show more →

GFX had the same magenta tint issue for years. I remember reading someone in a Facebook GFX group commenting on how gross the M10-R images were because they were so yellow-green. They’d been brainwashed by looking at magenta tinted images for so long!

Aug 21, 2024 at 06:26 PM

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p.3 #20 · p.3 #20 · Leica M11 Firmware Update V2.1.2

So far, no freezes, and I'm putting it through its paces. However, it doesn't seem to recognize any of my Leica 6-bit coded lenses; it just identifies them as uncoded. I've reset the camera, removed the battery for a couple of hours, and cleaned both the mount and the 6-bit reader. The latest firmware is installed.

Aug 22, 2024 at 11:20 PM

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