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Is the Sony a7R IV the best value full-frame camera on the market?

  
 
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HS-LD wrote:
Manual focus is complete guesswork there's no manual focus scale that tells you anything. You get a flower and mountain. Not very helpful. And none of the lenses are marked at all. Some 3rd party lenses might be.


Sorry, I don't get it. Are you not looking at the object you're focusing on?




Aug 03, 2024 at 01:06 PM
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I currently have the Sony A1 and a Canon R5, used to have the A7r4 for many years, had a Nikon Z8…etc.
In my opinion, the best value is the Canon R5. It just does so many things very well, also great battery life, great IBIS, best focusing in my opinion, CFExpress B cards, great service.
If the new R5 II has better D.R. for video, then I think it will be very, very hard to beat.



Aug 04, 2024 at 02:25 PM
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p.3 #3 · p.3 #3 · Is the Sony a7R IV the best value full-frame camera on the market?


I switched from R IV to R V (I can save 20%+ on tax back then was a big factor), I'm not a pro, I shoot random things, landscape, cityscape, pets, recently moved to another country and I can see more birds and insects (but less cityscape), maybe I can sometimes see fox, deer or smaller animals.

R V has better viewfinder but I don't find the lower res of R IV finder limiting.

R IV interface is not slow (but I came from R II) but R V is better.

For cityscape (especially modern Metropolitan), lossless compressed raw is good. Sony lossy compression can affect very high contrast scenes (like lights on top of skyscrapers against dark sky), you probably won't see artefacts often but it does happen. It also affect highlights recovery (which is IMO important for cityscape at night).

AF of R V is better than R IV, I don't have a lot of experience with R IV but when shooting my dog running towards me R V gives much more keepers (using Sigma 135/1.8).

I prefer the flip screen of V to IV since it's better for tripod use in portrait orientation.

IBIS is also noticeably better.

For stars, I'm not sure much has change but unless it's for scientific use it's not really an issue. I have shot landscape with Milky Way and none of my Sony was able to eat that away. Even star trails are fine too. I lost track of that issue.

Is Sony still developing and updating the firmware for the IV?
sadly no, I think they probably can add lossless raw but that why I switched

I don't convert ARW to DNG, but I did that from time to time when I was shooting uncompressed raw with R II / IV. I failed to see any benefits in converting lossless compressed raw to DNG.

When shooting an auto exposure bracket and long exposures, will the a7R IV take a dark frame for long exposure noise reduction?

dark frame for noise reduction is optional, just like any other Sony bodies I have used.

Is rolling shutter an issue...
Of course it's an issue, that's why they made stacked sensor for A1 and global shutter for A9 III. You just have to work around the limitations.

The sensor of R V is probably slightly twisted from R IV, they are very similar, I don't think image quality has any meaningful changes. But R V can shoot 8K video and AF points are slightly different.

I think Z8 is a good value but I'm ex-Nikon shooter so maybe I'm biased.

CFexpress type A used by Sony is not great value wise.

Value is very subjective, one is clearly better in every way so there are always tradeoffs and only you can tell what's important to you. I still keep a A7R II since I consider it great value (although I can't reliably use it for pets and wildlife, birds etc). I also think 42mp is more efficient than 61mp. Some might say R III is great value.




Aug 04, 2024 at 09:06 PM
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j4nu wrote:
Sorry, I don't get it. Are you not looking at the object you're focusing on?



As an example, one technique is called zone focusing. If you absolutely want to nail the bride coming down the aisle without shooting 70 fps, set your 35mm lens to 10 feet and f8 and when she gets about 10 feet from you, fire away. Worked great with flash in dark churches back in the day.

There are many other situations where AF or manually focusing looking through the viewfinder is not preferred. Admittedly, it is not as important as it was with MF cameras, obviously, but just like a PC socket, as a pro, you never know when you might need it and it's a PIA if you don't have it.

My A7IV and A7RV have a scale that reads out in meters when switched to manual focus, it would be nice if I could switch that to feet, but I can guesstimate that 3 meters is about 9 feet.



Aug 05, 2024 at 10:31 AM
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@HS-LD Does that camera not have a digital distance scale in the EVF? or focus peaking? I find it hard to imagine any camera today would leave those out.


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HS-LD wrote:
As an example, one technique is called zone focusing. If you absolutely want to nail the bride coming down the aisle without shooting 70 fps, set your 35mm lens to 10 feet and f8 and when she gets about 10 feet from you, fire away. Worked great with flash in dark churches back in the day.

There are many other situations where AF or manually focusing looking through the viewfinder is not preferred. Admittedly, it is not as important as it was with MF cameras, obviously, but just like a PC socket, as a pro, you never know when you might
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Ah, yes - right.
I guess I'm used to "modern" focusing aids (which Nikon has the upper hand in) ...



Aug 05, 2024 at 11:37 AM
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sbay wrote:
@HS-LD@ Does that camera not have a digital distance scale in the EVF? or focus peaking? I find it hard to imagine any camera today would leave those out.


It has peaking, and a digital distance scale marked with a flower on one end and a mountain on the other. So I guess if all you shoot if flowers or mountains your good to go. (I think if you shoot flowers on mountains you void the warranty.)



Aug 06, 2024 at 10:25 AM
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j4nu wrote:
Ah, yes - right.
I guess I'm used to "modern" focusing aids (which Nikon has the upper hand in) ...


You can have all the modern focusing aids you could wish for, you still can't set your lens to focus at 10 feet with a Nikon.




Aug 06, 2024 at 10:27 AM
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My A7RIII's shutter button is getting unreliable, so looking at this as a chance to upgrade (instead of repair).

I think the A7RIV(A) is a very good value for landscape and architectural photography. I am going for the A7RV though because it has the latest AF-C and face/eye tracking tech, the new multi-tilt screen, and the new menu. The RV is more all-purpose. I am OK with paying 20-25% more over the RIV.



Aug 06, 2024 at 11:01 AM
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