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StarNut wrote:
I can't help wondering why you would make such a post.


Mainly because I'm a terrible person, as people on this forum can attest to, but also because of this:

I have a lot of very nice lenses for the EF mount (see on my profile if you care).

Sorry if I offended you, was just trying to help by providing an opinion, and sorry I missed the mark.



Jul 22, 2024 at 11:42 PM
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In the vast majority of cases, the Mount Adapter EF-EOS R is, in effect, a spacer, nothing more.

Some limitations with specific lenses have been mentioned though.
I would suggest searching FM archives back to when the R5 was released.
Obviously there was a lot of EF use on the original R5 so that's where the most information will be.
Don't bother looking for EOS-R info as it was a slower camera with not so great 'moving subject' AF so info is not nearly as useful.

The fact you have a 5DSR means you have been able to see the capabilities of your older lenses far better than most. (The R5II has slightly less resolution and also has an AA (low pass) filter.)
I don't think you need any schooling on the quality of your existing lenses.

I'd edit your first post and add your equipment there just to make it easier for other members who may be able to help, but the archives are for sure the best place for you.

Besides any limitations regarding fps etc, you will discover a mirrorless weakness:
They are not as good changing from extreme ends of focus range. ie, shooting a distance object, changing to a subject very close may not be as easy as DSLR. Something most quickly get used to and accept.

I would also suggest waiting a bit with R5II. While issue with R3 and 500 f4 was mentioned, nobody has experience with R5II and EF lenses yet. There are still 500 f4s in use and I'm sure you'll get some feedback soon.



Jul 23, 2024 at 04:47 AM
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Choderboy wrote:
II would also suggest waiting a bit with R5II. While issue with R3 and 500 f4 was mentioned, nobody has experience with R5II and EF lenses yet. There are still 500 f4s in use and I'm sure you'll get some feedback soon.


Thanks!

Yes, I certainly intend to wait to see what the reception is for the new camera. The opinion of some people about the quality of my "old" equipment notwithstanding, I'm hardly suffering with the camera bodies I have now.




Jul 23, 2024 at 09:14 AM
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stanj wrote:
Mainly because I'm a terrible person, as people on this forum can attest to, but also because of this:


Sorry if I offended you, was just trying to help by providing an opinion, and sorry I missed the mark.


The fact that there are "better" lenses than the ones I have does not negate the fact that "I have a lot of very nice lenses." Just as the fact that you're a snob does not negate that fact. Some "opinions" are best left unsaid; for instance, telling someone who knows exactly what he has, when he has not asked for your opinion on the quality of his equipment, is one of those circumstances. You can thank me for the lesson on internet etiquette later.

Oh, and you didn't "offend" me; you astonished me, because you took a gratuitous swipe at my, yes, very nice lenses.



Jul 23, 2024 at 09:19 AM
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The title says 'moving to RF lenses?'. If the intention is to discuss only how EF lenses perform on R cameras, the title is misleading. If not, it would be appropriate to comment on the possible improvements over nice, but older, lenses.


Jul 23, 2024 at 09:50 AM
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StarNut wrote:
The fact that there are "better" lenses than the ones I have does not negate the fact that "I have a lot of very nice lenses." Just as the fact that you're a snob does not negate that fact. Some "opinions" are best left unsaid; for instance, telling someone who knows exactly what he has, when he has not asked for your opinion on the quality of his equipment, is one of those circumstances. You can thank me for the lesson on internet etiquette later.

Oh, and you didn't "offend" me; you astonished me, because you took a gratuitous swipe at
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You should have mentioned in your first post that people should ignore the title of your thread and not reply with anything you didn't want to see...



Jul 23, 2024 at 10:14 AM
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StarNut wrote:
Just as the fact that you're a snob does not negate that fact.


Wow, seriously?

The title of your post says you were looking for opinions about "moving to RF lenses". Stan shared an opinion in good faith that matches my own experience with those particular lenses, so I believe it to be well founded and not gratuitous at all.

Stan is an active and respected member of this community. His comment was clearly meant to address the question posed in the title of your post.

You respond by casting personal slurs at him? Not cool.

If you didn't want opinions about the differences between EF and RF lenses, perhaps you should think twice before you make a post that asks exactly that question.



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p.2 #8 · p.2 #8 · Moving to RF Lenses?


Jumping right in here, though I should likely know better...

I have been shooting the R5 for just over a year... My go to lenses are 300 2.8ii + extenders(iii) and 100-400ii plus 1.4iii

After a bit of a learning curve figuring out the mirrorless system I quite enjoy it, despite the rolling shutter(hummingbirds especially) Special Thanks to a few amazing forum members here for your kind assistance!

My older lenses seem to work very well on the R5 , tho I have not yet had the chance to try any of the RF's

Faster , more accurate focusing might convince me to change up.... Oh and the RF 100-300 2.8 would be amazing but short of winning a lottery that won't be happening.



Jul 23, 2024 at 10:59 AM
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rscheffler wrote:
How seamless is seamless? Doesn't Sony limit third party fps rates (not sure about Nikon)? And you're dealing with reverse engineered third party adapters that may or may not have some firmware bugs or limitations that make reliability potentially less than mission-critical? It really depends on what the OP expects for performance. If they only had a 5DSR, then I'd ignore the potential fps limitations as it would probably be irrelevant. But given they also list a 1DXII, they might have need for high speed and good focusing, which is pretty much guaranteed sticking with Canon (granted, there are mechanical
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I'm using Nikon Z with Canon EF lenses. The speed doesn't seem to be limited, though I don't think I've tried over 20fps (and the 15fps already seems crazy fast, lol).
I can't speak about AF accuracy because I can't compare it directly to anything (it seems as good or better as my previous camera, Canon 1D Mark IV; I guess I would've noticed if it had become any worse). I also don't know how many misfocused shots are due to honest issues with hardware instead of my ineptitude.



Jul 23, 2024 at 11:37 AM
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StarNut wrote:
I'm just hoping that that my lenses will perform at least as well on an R5II as they have on my older DSLRs.


As others mentioned and I will now echo: Your EF lenses will perform better on an R body than they did on EF bodies, because they will have more consistent and accurate focus. You would have had to use live-view magnified focus on your EF bodies for every shot in order to get the kind of focus consistency and accuracy you will get with the R bodies.

Looking at your profile, I recommend the first two lenses you replace be the Canon 16-35 f/2.8L II and the 28-70 f/2.8L. As you have already likely noticed if you've been using them on the 5DS R, they don't deliver the kind of high resolution your other lenses deliver, especially in the corners. (For that matter, neither does the 24-105, but I'm guessing your use of that lens is less about performance and more about convenience.)



Jul 23, 2024 at 11:41 AM
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Okay, I made the mistake of replying before I finished reading through the thread. I was unaware of the OP's testy reply to Stan's advice. I probably wouldn't have bothered replying at all if I had seen that first.


Jul 23, 2024 at 11:47 AM
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@LuckyStrike88 the 100-300 is indeed an amazing lens but I'm not sure it would be noticeably faster focusing than the 300/2.8 IS v2. The major benefit (obviously) is that it's a zoom and appears to be as sharp as the prime.

From my own experience transitioning from EF lenses, if the lens was fast focusing on an EF camera, it was fast on an R but focus was consistently more accurate. I noticed when culling 20 and 40 fps sequences that the camera (R6II in my case) can make substantial focus correction between a single frame, if for some reason it 'blips' for a frame or two. My impression is that AF updates are much faster/higher rate than they were on EOS DSLRs. And that's with the EF 200-400, which is not as super-fast focusing, in my experience, as the EF 400/2.8 and 600/4 primes. There can be situations, such as low subject contrast, when an R camera will considerably slow down AF drive, but this isn't EF lens specific.

IMO the major downside with adapting older EF lenses is, as mentioned, the frame rate drop in the mechanical shutter modes (and apparently possibly also slight drop in e-shutter frame rate). If you were shooting a v1 IS super-tele (or some other older EF lens from before ~2012), on something like a 1DX series, you'd be disappointed with non e-shutter frame rates on R (but focus would still be more consistent than DSLRs).

Focus speed can also vary within the RF lineup, and is dependent on various lens design factors. I've noticed this between the 28-70/2 and the new 24-105/2.8. The 28-70 is what appears to be a traditional USM motor design found in many EF lenses, whereas the new 24-105 is a linear motor design driving a smaller, lighter focusing group. Based on a couple weeks with the 24-105, it does have snappier focus. Whether it got me more correctly focused images than the 28-70 is less certain. I guess my point here is that even in the RF lineup there may be some differences in lens focusing speed depending on the type of focusing motor, size and weight of the focusing group, etc. I generally feel other factors should prioritize choosing an RF lens over EF, such as size, weight and whether the option even exists in EF. The latter is the reason I chose the 28-70/2 and size/weight is the reason I selected one of the RF 70-200s to replace my EF model.

If you work a lot with ND and/or polarizing filters, then the EF-RF adapter with the drop-in filter option is a really compelling reason to use EF lenses on R because you just need one filter set for all of your lenses, including any lenses that would be difficult or expensive to filter conventionally (like the 11-24/4, TS-E 17, 8-15 FE, etc.). There are also 3rd party filters available for this adapter from the likes of Breakthrough and Kolari Vision (and possibly others, too) that expand on the limited options offered by Canon, including for some specialized applications.



Jul 23, 2024 at 11:58 AM
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drobertfranz wrote:
Never had that happen once using multiple EF lenses and RF bodies


I feel lucky, too, I have various age EF lenses, from 50/1.8 Mk1, 100-300L and 28-80 USM to fairly recent like 16-35/4L and 24-105 IS STM and they all work well (but most of the old I just tested, didn't use them for hours), also my Sigmas (50Art, 100-400 Contemporary and especially 50/2.8 EX DG Macro) work well. I was also using 3rd party and original Canon EF-RF converter and no problems were encountered.



Jul 23, 2024 at 07:52 PM
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The R3 has an internal lens correction database for almost all my Canon EF lenses, and I imagine that same database is in all the cameras. The camera will correct, in JPEG/HEIF and in real time in the viewfinder, light falloff (vignetting) for stills and video, and barrel/pincushion distortion for stills. In particular, exact framing when using lenses with a lot of such distortion, like ultrawide zooms, is no longer the guessing game it had to be on a DSLR.

An exception is my 24mm f/3.5 TS-E II, which would be impossible to do because the camera has no way to know the shift and tilt settings. There are also no corrections for my Zeiss lenses, because Canon didn’t make them.

Likewise, a Sony or Nikon body isn’t going to have lens corrections for Canon lenses built in, and to my mind this is a very big reason not to use them adapted onto Sony or Nikon bodies.

Some of Canon’s oldest EF lenses aren’t in that database.

As Canon aren’t releasing any new EF lenses, and the RF lenses supply all this information to the camera via the new RF protocol, the database will never have to be updated for new lens releases.



Jul 23, 2024 at 09:39 PM
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