R5II Blur/Out-of-Focus detection

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p.2 #1 · p.2 #1 · R5II Blur/Out-of-Focus detection

Scott Stoness wrote:
I think most wildlife shooters shoot in raw. Shooting in Raw+jpeg for wildlife is not that common for the shooters I know. That's more of a wedding idea. It would not be helpful in culling raw. I am still hopeful but pessimistic that it can work on the previews embedded in raw.

Yeah, my assumption is that the Jpegs would be throwaway, but enabling them alongside the RAWs could be useful for rapid in-camera culling (assuming this feature is truly useful). For example, Canon cameras let you delete entire bursts in one go except for images you have protected. This feature seems intended to help quickly find the "best" images to protect before deleting the rest.

Lots of "ifs" here, but it will be interesting to see how well it works.

Jul 19, 2024 at 05:44 AM

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garyvot wrote:
Yeah, my assumption is that the Jpegs would be throwaway, but enabling them alongside the RAWs could be useful for rapid in-camera culling (assuming this feature is truly useful). For example, Canon cameras let you delete entire bursts in one go except for images you have protected. This feature seems intended to help quickly find the "best" images to protect before deleting the rest.

Lots of "ifs" here, but it will be interesting to see how well it works.

Agree there are too many "ifs" at this point. We'll have to wait for some real world reports to fill in the blanks.

If this only works on the embedded jpeg previews but still assigns the tags to the raw file then I'm ok with that. But I don't want to have to start shooting raw+jpeg to achieve it. I don't use any functions or settings that slows the camera down.
Also, until we can see the actual results of how reliable it is, I wouldn't be deleting anything on camera. Often times it's not until I get home and upload the images that I discover images that I thought were oof or bad are actually excellent. Tiny LCD screens and my aging eyeballs don't work well together even after zooming in.

I don't know how some people edit their photo's on tablets or even lap tops.

It's just crazy how far tech in these tiny cameras has gotten. After seeing the first reviews on this new AF system, especially for sports and wedding type venues, it's simply mind blowing. In several videos showing basketball players the AF would snap to the next players eyes before my eyes could even shift over to that player. Just crazy stuff.

Jul 19, 2024 at 07:44 AM

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p.2 #3 · p.2 #3 · R5II Blur/Out-of-Focus detection

After reading the advanced user manual (pg 685), it doesn't look like this new feature work on anything other than Jpegs or HEIF files and even then it only works on well lit human faces.

I think this just lowered my R5II GAS faster than the GAS-X did last night after dinner.

Here's to hoping 3rd parties such as LR can develop something usable in the near future I guess.

https://cam.start.canon/en/C017/manual/c017.pdf

Jul 24, 2024 at 10:23 AM

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lighthound wrote:
After reading the advanced user manual (pg 685), it doesn't look like this new feature work on anything other than Jpegs or HEIF files and even then it only works on well lit human faces.

Yes, but it does work when recording RAW + JPEG.

However, to be able to cull images in the camera, you apparently need to set up the camera so that JPEG recording goes to the second card. Then you have to switch to that card when reviewing images. This is because "no icons or detection frames indicating the amount of blurring are shown" during playback from RAW files.

So, while I think it is possible to create a workflow that leverages this feature while shooting RAW, it sounds a bit fiddly in practice, unfortunately.

Jul 24, 2024 at 10:31 AM

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p.2 #5 · p.2 #5 · R5II Blur/Out-of-Focus detection

What baffles me about the jpeg-only capability of this implementation is that all Canon raw files contain full resolution jpegs for preview purposes, albeit highly compressed. From my layman's perspective, I don't understand why the image evaluation and tag cannot be applied to the embedded jpeg and therefore allow raw-only shooting workflows to also benefit from this potentially timesaving feature.

There was a time when I did shoot raw + jpeg in deadline situations but ever since Canon's raw files switched to full resolution previews, I just use Photo Mechanic to extract the preview if I need to deliver something ASAP.

In any case, in its current state this feature feels somewhat beta and hopefully can be improved through FW updates (rather than having to buy an R5III in 4 years - but it's Canon...).

Jul 24, 2024 at 09:51 PM

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I would think this is targeted at people on a deadline, not fine art shooters.

Jul 24, 2024 at 11:06 PM

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p.2 #7 · p.2 #7 · R5II Blur/Out-of-Focus detection

I think this just lowered my R5II GAS faster than the GAS-X did last night after dinner.

Here's to hoping 3rd parties such as LR can develop something usable in the near future I guess.

https://cam.start.canon/en/C017/manual/c017.pdf

Today I asked the Canon representative and he said it only works with jpg. So it's completely useless to me. I never shoot raw after spending mega$ to have access to raw. Yes you could shoot jpeg and raw and then mix them together but I don't need / want another step in culling/processing.

Jul 25, 2024 at 12:13 AM

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p.2 #8 · p.2 #8 · R5II Blur/Out-of-Focus detection

Scott Stoness wrote:
Today I asked the Canon representative and he said it only works with jpg. So it's completely useless to me. I never shoot raw after spending mega$ to have access to raw. Yes you could shoot jpeg and raw and then mix them together but I don't need / want another step in culling/processing.

The user manual indicates it works with RAW + Jpeg.

If this feature is as useful as it sounds, it might be worth the small adjustment in workflow required.

It will always come down to what individuals are comfortable with.

Jul 25, 2024 at 12:16 AM

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