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p.2 #1 · p.2 #1 · R5 R6 or R6II

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Since you mention 4-6yrs this is a no brainer, get the R5. The R5 is the only body mentioned in this thread that has it all. And in 4-6yrs when you start making money and you buy yourself a nice 8K monitor you'll be bummed on anything other than the R5's 45mp files. The R6II 24mp files will fall apart, so definitely future proof your files with resolution. The R5 is an amazing camera and it would be the only camera I would want to be thinking about owning several years from now in a time when screen resolution is...Show more →

Jul 15, 2024 at 05:47 PM

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p.2 #2 · p.2 #2 · R5 R6 or R6II

It seems to me like the R6 + rf 24-70 still is the best combo for me then. The R5 wouldn't provide any major improvements for nearly another 800 dollars and the R6ii would have some nice features when it comes to preburst. At the end of the day though I think everyone is right that I should get more glass first, maybe adding a prime into the mix or a 70-200 as well and picking up an r5ii down the road if I need more mp as that's all the r5 would really provide me.

Jul 15, 2024 at 06:12 PM

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p.2 #3 · p.2 #3 · R5 R6 or R6II

I don’t really use IBIs, so that’s not huge for me, but the lack of joystick is my main gripe. The smaller batteries aren’t as long lasting, and the third party ones aren’t my favorite, so that’s another consideration.

JackRyanD wrote:
Back on my original account, the R8 seems interesting, but I do wonder how it will hold up in the long term. What are its limitations compared to those of the R6/6ii/5 besides IBIS? The Pre-burst mode might be helpful, but I have never really considered it a necessary feature. However, I mainly just want the body to last and be future-proof for the next few years, and I worry that if I go for a cheaper body, that might not be the case.

Jul 15, 2024 at 06:20 PM

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p.2 #4 · p.2 #4 · R5 R6 or R6II

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The R5 does NOT have it all. For a start, it does not have RAW Burst nor in-camera focus-stacking like the R6 II. Both these features allow a lot of photographers to get shots not otherwise possible with the R5, or some other high megapixel cameras.

Yeah, all the photographers that are, and have been, shooting with cameras with less than 45MP will be bankrupt and bemoaning the images they captured with their inferior cameras.

I guess some poor souls still believe that high resolution is the only criteria for creating great images. Maybe they should check out all the...Show more →

Calm down grumpy, a lot of people couldn't care less about the R6II RAW burst or in-camera jpeg stacking like you do, including myself. The people who I know who use stacking prefer to stack it themselves in with real software and want more control than what the camera gives you. Not everyone is a jpeg shooter like you.

As for all the other drivel you mentioned about bankruptcy, bemoaning and photo contests, that's not the topic of the thread nor was it ever mentioned by anyone but you. So go read the thread again. But yeah, plenty of great 4-8-12MP images won contests and they are great images, but they look like garbage on a 6k monitor and will soon look like thumbnails on higher resolution displays. The same will happen to 24MP files, much sooner than 45MP files. So for "future proofing" which the OP specifically mentioned, yes the R5 has it all because it has resolution that will keep up with the next generation of displays. None of the other bodies have this except for the R5. I did mention however in case you missed it, that if resolution is not important to you, then buy the R6.

All too often here you sound really hurt as if someone attacked your beloved camera. Don't let it trigger you so much, it's just a tool.

Jul 15, 2024 at 10:03 PM

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Jul 15, 2024 at 10:24 PM

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p.2 #6 · p.2 #6 · R5 R6 or R6II

No difference for social media posts. Prints may or may not show a dfference depending on if you print very large (like above 20x30") or crop heavily.

I'd suggest seeing if you can get a deal, or use the Canon loyalty program (if you have a serial number from an old Canon camera). I was able to get a new R6ii from Canon for around $1860 (sale + loyalty program). On your budget that leaves just under $2000 for an RF 24-70, which should be doable during a sale or used from MPB/Keh, etc. Since you're looking for long term, the R6ii has better features which may be useful down the road (IBIS, better AF, pre-burst, etc.) and a bit more resolution than the R6.

Jul 15, 2024 at 10:37 PM

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p.2 #7 · p.2 #7 · R5 R6 or R6II

The same will happen to 24MP files, much sooner than 45MP files. So for "future proofing" which the OP specifically mentioned, yes the R5 has it all because it has resolution that will keep up with the next generation of displays. None of the other bodies have this except for the R5. I did mention however in case you missed it, that if resolution is not important to you, then buy the R6.

JackRyanD wrote:
Will the mp difference be stark for prints and social media posts?

Not likely on a phone display or even a computer monitor after images are super compressed by the social media platform.

A significantly relevant factor in general is the size of the final display medium, whether print or screen, and typical viewing distances. Higher resolution will have an advantage the larger the display size and the closer the viewing distance. To cover the bases, higher resolution would be a safe choice, but I don't think 24MP will become even close to unusable in the timeframe you set. It'll just be a matter of relative quality. Good vs. better. Considering that most social media and online content is made by phone cameras in the 12MP range with very poor pixel-level sharpness, yet those still look decent at reasonable viewing sizes and distances, you should be good with whatever you choose.

Jul 15, 2024 at 10:45 PM

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p.2 #8 · p.2 #8 · R5 R6 or R6II

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Will the mp difference be stark for prints and social media posts?

Definitely for printing, especially as printing technology advances, but not social media posts. If you are one who thinks you'll be into tech quite a bit in the future then consider where display tech is heading at the moment. A lot of display mediums will steer away from print and into high resolution digital displays. Think Digital picture frames, but wall sized for fine art. Paper thin and roll up displays will be the norm soon. For me, displays are a huge deal and I look forward to my images being displayed on massive high res digital wall displays. I already do this now with large 4K TV displays, but those will be replaced with 8k and so on. I have great images from my 4MP and 8MP bodies from the early 2000's, but they don't cut it when viewing on modern displays.

I've always been a proponent of the 20-24mp bodies from Canon UNTIL I started working on 6k displays. And then I realized, it's time to upgrade. So I sold the R6/R6II and bought R5's. Note, if you think you'll get into video the R5 does 4K 120fps which is very nice, along with some 8K options as well.

As for in camera stacking, you can do this with an R5 outside the camera like most professionals do. This is obviously Imagemaster's most beloved camera feature so if this seems like something important to you then an R6II would be the call.

But resolution is not a concern for many, so if that was me I would buy an R6 and glass.

Jul 15, 2024 at 10:50 PM

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p.2 #9 · p.2 #9 · R5 R6 or R6II

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Not likely on a phone display or even a computer monitor after images are super compressed by the social media platform.

A significantly relevant factor in general is the size of the final display medium, whether print or screen, and typical viewing distances. Higher resolution will have an advantage the larger the display size and the closer the viewing distance. To cover the bases, higher resolution would be a safe choice, but I don't think 24MP will become even close to unusable in the timeframe you set. It'll just be a matter of relative quality. Good vs. better. Considering that...Show more →

I'm not referring to social media or Fredmiranda posts. None of us need any of the current modern cameras for that.

Jul 15, 2024 at 10:54 PM

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artsupreme wrote:
I'm not referring to social media or Fredmiranda posts. None of us need any of the current modern cameras for that.

I understand, but social media use is the direction in which the OP is steering the discussion with their latest question.

And I disagree it will be across the board stark for printing because we don't know OP's print size requirements. Sure it will be incrementally beneficial the larger the print size, but if smaller, dependent on a number of factors relevant to the OP's needs, it will be a matter of diminishing returns.

Jul 15, 2024 at 11:03 PM

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p.2 #11 · p.2 #11 · R5 R6 or R6II

artsupreme wrote:
Calm down grumpy, a lot of people couldn't care less about the R6II RAW burst or in-camera jpeg stacking like you do, including myself. The people who I know who use stacking prefer to stack it themselves in with real software and want more control than what the camera gives you. Not everyone is a jpeg shooter like you.

As for all the other drivel you mentioned about bankruptcy, bemoaning and photo contests, that's not the topic of the thread nor was it ever mentioned by anyone but you. So go read the thread again. But yeah, plenty of great...Show more →

Calm down yourself smart-ass. I forgot you are Mr. Know-it-all and know what is best for everyone else. I guess you think everyone views images on a 6k monitor as well. Big joke. Who cares if you think that you and nobody else wants RAW Burst or in-camera focus-stacking. Speaking for everyone else again, like a know-it-all.

And since I don’t have ‘a beloved’ camera you don’t know what you are talking about. And if a camera is just a tool, what are you getting your panties in a knot for? Maybe get someone to explain to you what the ‘right tool for the right job’ means.

As for “future proofing”, it must be great to be able to predict the future. I bet you can tell us all what the resolution of future cameras and monitors will be.

Jul 15, 2024 at 11:19 PM

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p.2 #12 · p.2 #12 · R5 R6 or R6II

Imagemaster wrote:
Calm down yourself smart-ass. I forgot you are Mr. Know-it-all and know what is best for everyone else. I guess you think everyone views images on a 6k monitor as well. Big joke. Who cares if you think that you and nobody else wants RAW Burst or in-camera focus-stacking. Speaking for everyone else again, like a know-it-all.

And since I don’t have ‘a beloved’ camera you don’t know what you are talking about. And if a camera is just a tool, what are you getting your panties in a knot for? Maybe get someone to explain to you what the ‘right...Show more →

Don't you have the whole community of FM on your hide me list yet? You claimed I was on it already but you lied. So please add me to your very very long list of people on your hide me list that you continue to grow every week. No one wants to hear your constant sniveling around here.

Jul 15, 2024 at 11:37 PM

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p.2 #13 · p.2 #13 · R5 R6 or R6II

rscheffler wrote:
I understand, but social media use is the direction in which the OP is steering the discussion with their latest question.

And I disagree it will be across the board stark for printing because we don't know OP's print size requirements. Sure it will be incrementally beneficial the larger the print size, but if smaller, dependent on a number of factors relevant to the OP's needs, it will be a matter of diminishing returns.

My prints are normally A3 or A2 BTW. And printed on Canon Pro-1000 or our larger photo printers on campus.

Jul 16, 2024 at 02:26 AM

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p.2 #14 · p.2 #14 · R5 R6 or R6II

Many people suggested I purchase the R8 I talked to today instead and get more glass, in the form of the ef 24-70 2.8 ii and ef 70-200 2.8 ii as the r6 and r5 would really serve no major purpose and the glass would last far longer than the body. Amazon has the R8 for 1200 right now new, should I just pull the trigger on that?

Jul 16, 2024 at 04:25 AM

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p.2 #15 · p.2 #15 · R5 R6 or R6II

JackRyanD wrote:
Many people suggested I purchase the R8 I talked to today instead and get more glass, in the form of the ef 24-70 2.8 ii and ef 70-200 2.8 ii as the r6 and r5 would really serve no major purpose and the glass would last far longer than the body. Amazon has the R8 for 1200 right now new, should I just pull the trigger on that?

If you are going the R8 route I suggest trying one before you commit. The R8 to me is considered a 2nd or 3rd body, or maybe someone who shoots Sony or Nikon primarily but wants a Canon body to shoot occasionally. It's not like your total budget is $1500 or similar for body and lens, so I just don't see and R8 being a primary body for someone like you for the long haul. You should really try one out to see if you can live without a proper rear dial, joystick, one card slot, weak battery, etc. If you didn't come from shooting previous high end Canon bodies it might not bother you. If it doesn't bother you, the R8 for $900 will definitely result in some cheap thrills as it's kind of like buying an old 5D for a couple hundred bucks and being impressed with IQ.

I really suggest buying used here as you aren't too far from Canon in Costa Mesa. I've only had problems with a few pieces of gear in the last 25 years and Canon took care of them for me at their service centers locally. If you look around should be able to pickup an R8 for $900 that's like new so there's no reason to spend $1200 plus tax.

Jul 16, 2024 at 11:03 AM

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p.2 #16 · p.2 #16 · R5 R6 or R6II

I certainly don't see much difference between 18mp and 24mp aps. Even 8mp on an older body has a lot more resolution than you might expect if you pp it right.

45mp is better but I'm having a hard time believing it's dramatically better, even on big prints.

No real idea if the op should get the R8, I've found inexpensive Rebels to be ridiculously durable so I wouldn't expect poor construction on the R8 just because it's less expensive. The R5 is better imo but is it $800+ better for the op? Personally I expect about 3 years out of a body so 4-6 years sounds high I shoot a lot though so it just depends

Jul 16, 2024 at 12:29 PM

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p.2 #17 · p.2 #17 · R5 R6 or R6II

i think i’m just gonna spring for the r5 at this point— i’m printing a2 and a3 so id like peace of mind when it comes to that and future proofing, plus it gives me room to expand into video if i choose to do that.

real question now is glass— do i spring for the rf 24-70 2.8 or do i just go for the ef and save money for more glass

Jul 16, 2024 at 02:02 PM

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JackRyanD wrote:
i think i’m just gonna spring for the r5 at this point— i’m printing a2 and a3 so id like peace of mind when it comes to that and future proofing, plus it gives me room to expand into video if i choose to do that.

real question now is glass— do i spring for the rf 24-70 2.8 or do i just go for the ef and save money for more glass

If you are going to buy an R5, now's a good time as prices should dip a bit when the R5II is announced this week.

As for adapted EF vs RF, it's a tough call. I think many of us started with adapting EF, but eventually migrate to RF when possible.

I will tell you, if you use the 70-200 a lot, the RF 70-200 f/2.8 is an amazing lens due to its compact size and light weight. I have one glued to one of my R5's. When you adapt the EF versions they get longer and the weight distribution is unfavorable, but the RF 70-200's are still around $1800 used.

Edit: There's a rumor the R5II might cost more than the rumored $3999. If this is true, and depending on how much more, the prices of used R5's might stabilize, and could possibly even slightly increase if the R5II price is through the roof.

Jul 16, 2024 at 02:11 PM

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The thing is, you can't just buy a good camera and expect it to last 4-6 years. It should last that long but even the most rugged cameras can break. In general you get a backup body although I suppose you could get it repaired although that sounds expensive lately

A2 & A3 not really that big and the R6 II looks like it has nice video improvements although it might not be much less than the R5.

It'd be great to get Rf 24 -70 but you don't have an unlimited budget. I'd rather have EF 16-35/4 & 70-200/4, maybe add 50/1.8 or even 24-70/4 in between. You might actually need the 2.8 though.

Jul 17, 2024 at 01:30 AM

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AmbientMike wrote:
The thing is, you can't just buy a good camera and expect it to last 4-6 years. It should last that long but even the most rugged cameras can break. In general you get a backup body although I suppose you could get it repaired although that sounds expensive lately

A2 & A3 not really that big and the R6 II looks like it has nice video improvements although it might not be much less than the R5.

It'd be great to get Rf 24 -70 but you don't have an unlimited budget. I'd rather have EF 16-35/4 & 70-200/4, maybe add...Show more →

thanks all— arrived for 2000 shipped after all as the local deal fell through— shutter count of only 1000

Jul 22, 2024 at 09:51 PM

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