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All - I'm a notoriously late adopter - I've just purchased an R5 (refurb) to replace my 5d iii. That alone should guarantee that the R5ii show up as my return window expires .

Since many of you have owned the camera for years, any advice in moving from the 5d to the R5? Yes, I've read the manual a few times, but I find that actual use is a better teacher.

Any lessons learned, set up tricks, videos explaining the use of functions etc that you found helpful along the way?

For background - I'm an abject amateur mostly shooting landscapes / travel, occasionally wildlife/ birds and annually a family portrait or two.

I'll slowly migrate from EF lenses.

Thanks!
Jul 02, 2024 at 10:40 AM
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Congrats, the R5 is an amazing camera. I wouldn't worry too much about the R5II for now as the R5 can do just about everything, and do it well. I would suggest you get your custom configurations setup to your dials and back buttons. There's not one way that's a right way as it depends on your style and preferences. You'll find that the following responses in this thread will be all over the map and vary depending on very personal preference and shooting style.

To start off, my personal preference is to leave the camera in the "old school" configuration where I'm in charge of the focus point and moving it around with the rear joystick. I have my back buttons programmed to activate eye/face detection when I want to use that feature, I just hold my thumb down. This works best for me but you'll soon learn there are others who are just the opposite and prefer to do leave the camera in tracking mode and and let the camera select what it thinks should be in focus. If there's one subject this works okay, but if there's more than one subject it gets confused.


Jul 02, 2024 at 10:58 AM
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The first thing you will notice is that the R5 is very customizable compared to the DSLRs. The AF is much more capable but also more complex to tailor to your desires. I now have my R5 customized differently than many of the videos I've watched but it suits my use. So watch the videos, ask specific questions on these forums, and be prepared to experiment.

One quirk I had a hard time finding was how to program the red video button on the top of the body. It is tied to the C3 setting in the set of video modes. You get to the video modes by pressing the mode button and then the Info button to toggle between stills and video mode sets. You can also use the touch screen to do the navigation. See what I mean by complicated. However the instant video button is very convenient once set up. So will all the other buttons once you've customized them and learned what you've done. Be patient and ask questions. Enjoy your new camera! You will find it a significant improvement over your 5D3.
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Jeff Nolten wrote:
The first thing you will notice is that the R5 is very customizable compared to the DSLRs. The AF is much more capable but also more complex to tailor to your desires. I now have my R5 customized differently than many of the videos I've watched but it suits my use. So watch the videos, ask specific questions on these forums, and be prepared to experiment.

One quirk I had a hard time finding was how to program the red video button on the top of the body. It is tied to the C3 setting in the set of video...Show more →

There is no need to have to press the mode buttons to get to video. Simply program the M-fn button to switch between photo and video modes. This makes things much much easier to make the switch.
Jul 02, 2024 at 11:14 AM
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There is no need to have to press the mode buttons to get to video. Simply program the M-fn button to switch between photo and video modes. This makes things much much easier to make the switch.

Not being critical but this is a perfect example of the R5's configurability. Personally I like the M-fn button just as it is to change its default range of settings - I leave it on ISO by default. I don't do video often enough that I need more than the instant video button with its one setting - 4K 60. This does the occasional landscape panorama for me.

Stills mode is much more complicated. I'm usually in Av mode with mechanical shutter and rarely use M mode. The AF-ON button toggles servo. The * button toggles eye detection, and the AF Point button (not joystick) is set to back button focus with whole field tracking to catch a bird in the sky. I use the rear dial to select between AF methods/areas. The C1 mode is set to electronic shutter, Tv mode and some other optimizations for wildlife. These settings work for me but I wouldn't suggest them for everyone. This is why I suggested the OP experiment and tailor the camera to their shooting style.

And I'll add that I'm still learning.

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Maybe get another battery or two; I found the R5 fairly battery hungry. Some features require the current LPE6NH battery version, though your old LPE6s from the 5DIII will also work with the R5.

You'll be amazed at the subject/face/eye detection and tracking capability. But sometimes you might prefer to use basic single-point AF like in a DSLR. I found that programming the back buttons, one for each style, to be very useful for quickly switching between the two styles.

Also a warning that on paper the RF lenses don't seem much different than the EF equivalents. But once you try one, your RF transition might accelerate. I generally find the RF lenses sharper and higher in contrast than the EF equivalents. Of course the EF lenses are still good. One thing I really liked about adapting EF was the adapter with drop in filter option, especially the polarizer option. One polarizer for all lenses rather than needing a few different filer sizes, or messing around with step rings.

I also wouldn't worry about the impending R5II. You got a great price on the R5 because it's end of line. With the R5II you would be paying the early adopter penalty Canon imposes on new camera releases, would be an unpaid beta tester and likely would be waiting in a pre-order queue if you weren't first in line.


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Jeff Nolten wrote:
Not being critical but this is a perfect example of the R5's configurability. Personally I like the M-fn button just as it is to change its default range of settings - I leave it on ISO by default. I don't do video often enough that I need more than the instant video button with its one setting - 4K 60. This does the occasional landscape panorama for me.

Stills mode is much more complicated. I'm usually in Av mode with mechanical shutter and rarely use M mode. The AF-ON button toggles servo. The * button toggles eye detection, and...Show more →

Makes sense if you don't use video, but if you do switch back and forth often the M-fn button is a single button press to switch modes.

As for stills mode, I used to shoot AV as well and I used to worry about ISO with DSLR's. But nowadays I shoot M mode with auto ISO and the only time I ever look at ISO anymore is if I'm shooting in very low light. Since the switch to ML I just don't have to look at ISO anymore knowing my settings will never cause unnecessary or unmanageable high ISO levels.


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My tip is - don’t worry about migrating ef to rf. The adapters work really well. Buy 3 or 4 of them and leave them on your existing lens so you are not juggling in the field. Buy the ef-rf flip in adapter and variety nd adapter if your landscape lens are good . The adapter and variety nd will let you have no need for filters for each lens. And ef lens are price is declining Great l lens at great prices and no Nd filter juggling!

At f8 old L Ef lens Adapted are a bargain

Good luck on remaining because the r5 is so customisable that you really need to figure out your style and use and evolve it - which will take you to much different settings than mine or others. The good news is that it's so customisable. The bad news is that its so customisable and you will fuss a long time and by the time you have it tuned its time for a r5ii.

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Yes, I shoot auto ISO as well, should'a mentioned that. So I don't have to mess with it much. Most of this camera's auto settings work quite well. Makes one lazy I guess.

As for lenses, again it depends on shooting style. I mainly photograph while traveling so adapters just add to the weight. Also, echoing rscheffler, I've found my RF lenses to be superior to my EF lenses for the most part. And at less total weight for my kit which I carry on my back. For example the R5's 45 MP means that I can use the petite 16mm prime to cover wider than the 24-105 quite easily. The RF 100-400 saves 2 lbs over the EF 100-400 II and even the 100-500 is a half pound less.

Of course my wallet weighs a lot less too. Cost is a factor not to be ignored. I traded in almost all my old gear to fund much of my RF transition. Only have several EF-S and the 100 macro left.
Jul 02, 2024 at 02:42 PM
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I recently upgraded from a 5D III, but I opted for an RP in order to cut my weight DOWN from the heavy 5D III.

Some advice I'd give is to give the FV mode a try. I like it enough that 2 of my 3 Custom modes are set to FV. I also recommend using the custom menu to store the screen and viewfinder brightness, which is super handy for bright days.

I recommend giving the face + tracking focus mode a try. I use that for 80-90% of my photography. For most anything else, I use zone tracking and then finally point tracking if nothing else can focus on that one thing I want.

I set the control ring to exposure compensation. I found exposure compensation to be the one option I needed to change regardless of the shooting mode I was in. Though, I bet someone else has an even more clever control ring use.
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kakomu wrote:
I recently upgraded from a 5D III, but I opted for an RP in order to cut my weight DOWN from the heavy 5D III.

Some advice I'd give is to give the FV mode a try. I like it enough that 2 of my 3 Custom modes are set to FV. I also recommend using the custom menu to store the screen and viewfinder brightness, which is super handy for bright days.

I recommend giving the face + tracking focus mode a try. I use that for 80-90% of my photography. For most anything else, I use zone tracking and then...Show more →

I did the same. But still have my 5diii’s. Like you I opted for the RP and a few of their consumer primes, also like you my control ring is set up for exposure compensation, auto ISO and aperture priority so I can shoot permanently wide open.
However after using the RP I’ve began to know roughly what exposure compensation I need for different scenarios, which has vastly improved my keeper rate when I occasionally pick up the 5diii.
The ergonomics of the dslr are still way better. I’ll never sell mine.

I keep thinking of buying a R8, but I’m so pleased with the humble RP, I think I’m going to stay put until it breaks.
Jul 02, 2024 at 03:46 PM
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Pixelpuffin wrote:
The ergonomics of the dslr are still way better. I’ll never sell mine.


Well, the ergonomics of *some* (generally higher end) DSLRs are better than the ergonomics of the EOS RP, which is built to for compactness and lacks some of the control points of larger cameras.

But if you step up to a 6- or 5-series R body, that contest becomes a wash I think, or falls in favor of the mirrorless models (for example, the R6/R6 II have full AF joysticks that the 6D lacked). And the EOS R3 has perhaps the best ergonomics of any Canon body I have encountered.

I like many things about Canon ergonomics, it's one reason why I have remained with the brand. But I don't think there is a functional divide between full frame DSLR and mirrorless models in this regard.

Since there was never an analog to the RP and R8 in the DSLR line, there is nothing to really compare them to.
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My 2nd tip is that I am also into landscapes and wildlife. I set up my camera c1,c2,c3 a lot as follows:

Stills:
1 - on the tripod in early light landscape - 100 iso (to maximise dynamic range), still shooting, efcs (to minimise shutter vibration and to keep the higher dynamic range that goes away at low iso with electronics shutter), aeb (to be able to blend and get more dynamic range, f11 (to have more dof but not too much defraction, I back it off to f8 if there is nothing close by), 2s timer (so I don't have to have wired shutter release to manage dampening vibration), manual focus with focus assist (point to focus spot and get the two greens together), safety shift on and to iso (this way when the exposure is more than 30s, its not underexposed it pushes it to higher iso).

2 - off the tripod / handheld landscape/travel - auto iso down by 1/3 stop to blow out less, still shooting, af to area in middle, AEB, electronic (silent and fast), f8 (for faster shutter), no timer, safety shift to iso, ibis on.

3 - wildlife/people - auto iso, 2/3 stop down from metered, centre weighed exposure, electronic, 12fps (20 gets too many pictures to cull - I push this up when needed, continuous focus, safety shift to iso, centre focused with a button programmed to turn on eye focus (because I sometimes have to pull the animal out from behind branches), point to card 1 with cfxexpress for faster buffer clear, focus point set to centre. [I also set up my red record button for slow mo, clog 3... because I can't take 5 minutes to set up for a cute bear pose and alternate between video and stills. cfxexpress are getting cheaper - get a 500gb.


Video: [ this is less developed by me because I don't do much video - but it gives you the idea.

1 - regular video - 30fps (because I usually present on my tv not cinema, clog3 (higher dynamic range), 1/60s (2 x the fps), iso800, safety shift iso, highest 4k quality.

2 - slow mo - 120fps, 2k quality, clog3, 1/250s, digital correction

3 - highest quality - 30fps, 8k highest resolution, iso 800, clog3, 1/60s

I use my c1-3 lots because for landscape it's often too dark and the light is fleeting. A bear comes out of the bush and if you are not ready (switch to c3) you miss the best picture ever. Its pitch dark and the light is changing and you cannot remember where you last used the camera for wildlife.

I leave my c1-c3 to revert back to saved, so that if I do lots of changes, and then pick it up in 3 days, it's not wonky for the new situation. You can save multiple c1-3's to the card and upload but then you have to keep track of which card is for what. This is too hard for me in rushed situation.


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My custom presets are pretty simple:

C1 - P mode
C2 - FV mode
C3 - FV mode and 1.6x crop mode

Usually I can make do with all of the above is most shoots. If I want AV or TV mode stuff, I can usually do that in FV mode. I usually switch between the modes when I want to reset all my setting. That said, this is similar stuff to what I could do on my 5D III.
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The R3 and R5 have a bizarre, unguessable, procedure to get in and out of auto ISO using the dial assigned to ISO. You would think AUTO was below the lowest ISO value like any normal camera. But this is only true when the meter is not running. Once the meter is running the camera is locked in auto ISO if it was in auto ISO, or out of auto ISO if ISO was set to a fixed value.

On my very first outing with the R3 I went out with the metering timer set to a longish value and after a while found the camera had put itself in auto ISO and I couldn’t get it out again, and I had to abandon my session. I went home and had to Google how to fix it... no luck. Then I got the idea the R5 might be the same and Googled... and found a few hits where people had taken their cameras back as faulty after encountering this. Did my camera have a faulty dial? Then I got the idea to search YouTube and found a video explaining it. What had happened was I had bumped the ISO dial on an unfamiliar camera away from ISO 100 when carrying it; and every time I turned the camera on I’d reflexively half-pressed the shutter button so the meter timer was running even after turning the camera off and on. The fix was to set the timer back to its default 4s.

I later figured out you can terminate the timer by double-pressing the MODE button (inside the shoulder wheel).

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Thank you all so much for the responses - I've read them all. My real job took up the rest of my day. I have a few follow up questions but will do that in the morning when I've got a clearer head.

Thanks again! I really appreciate your generosity with your knowledge and experience.
Bob.
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Thanks!

I'm thinking for starting the "simple" way and then figuring out what cases would work best for me. I appreciate the thoughts on eye / face - will experiment with both ways and see what works.


artsupreme wrote:
Congrats, the R5 is an amazing camera. I wouldn't worry too much about the R5II for now as the R5 can do just about everything, and do it well. I would suggest you get your custom configurations setup to your dials and back buttons. There's not one way that's a right way as it depends on your style and preferences. You'll find that the following responses in this thread will be all over the map and vary depending on very personal preference and shooting style.

To start off, my personal preference is to leave the camera in the "old school"...Show more →
Jul 03, 2024 at 08:52 AM
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Thanks Jeff!

Good to know about programming the video button. I'm probably a ways off from changing that but good to know there's a process for it.

And thanks for sharing your setup for the buttons on the back. Gives me something to think about as I assess what I'm using most and searching through menus to change while missing shots.

And will definitely give Auto ISO a try - I'm so accustomed to trying to manage noise that I'll have to rewire my brain to let the camera do some of the work.

I'll probably rent a couple of RF lenses to see if it's worth it to migrate. Definitely understood on the weight advantage of the 100-400 RF vs. EF. Thats definitely a consideration.

Thanks again for all of the help.

Jeff Nolten wrote:
The first thing you will notice is that the R5 is very customizable compared to the DSLRs. The AF is much more capable but also more complex to tailor to your desires. I now have my R5 customized differently than many of the videos I've watched but it suits my use. So watch the videos, ask specific questions on these forums, and be prepared to experiment.

One quirk I had a hard time finding was how to program the red video button on the top of the body. It is tied to the C3 setting in the set of video...Show more →

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Jeff Nolten wrote:
Not being critical but this is a perfect example of the R5's configurability. Personally I like the M-fn button just as it is to change its default range of settings - I leave it on ISO by default. I don't do video often enough that I need more than the instant video button with its one setting - 4K 60. This does the occasional landscape panorama for me.

Stills mode is much more complicated. I'm usually in Av mode with mechanical shutter and rarely use M mode. The AF-ON button toggles servo. The * button toggles eye detection, and...Show more →

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Jeff Nolten wrote:
Yes, I shoot auto ISO as well, should'a mentioned that. So I don't have to mess with it much. Most of this camera's auto settings work quite well. Makes one lazy I guess.

As for lenses, again it depends on shooting style. I mainly photograph while traveling so adapters just add to the weight. Also, echoing rscheffler, I've found my RF lenses to be superior to my EF lenses for the most part. And at less total weight for my kit which I carry on my back. For example the R5's 45 MP means that I can use...Show more →
Jul 03, 2024 at 09:00 AM
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Thanks for the response.

Good to know on batteries - I generally keep 2 batteries but maybe 3 is in order. And good to know that some features are disabled with the LPE6s. Will have to look at the manual to see if any of them are important to me.

Figuring out back button configurations seems like it will be at the top of my list.

And bad news on the RF lenses being so nice . Might have to keep that day job a bit longer .

And I'm not worried about the R5ii - like I said I'm a late adopter and I'd be happily surprised if my photographic capabilities exceed the R5's.

Thanks!

rscheffler wrote:
Maybe get another battery or two; I found the R5 fairly battery hungry. Some features require the current LPE6NH battery version, though your old LPE6s from the 5DIII will also work with the R5.

You'll be amazed at the subject/face/eye detection and tracking capability. But sometimes you might prefer to use basic single-point AF like in a DSLR. I found that programming the back buttons, one for each style, to be very useful for quickly switching between the two styles.

Also a warning that on paper the RF lenses don't seem much different than the EF equivalents. But once you try one,...Show more →
Jul 03, 2024 at 09:05 AM
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Thanks Scott.

My wallet thanks you for your support in sticking with EF lenses .

On adapters - do you suggest the canon brand or are there others you'd suggest?

Thanks for sharing all the details on your case settings - that is a fantastic starting point and a good way for me to read up on features in the R5 that didn't exist or I didn't use frequently on the DSLR.

And C3 will forever be known as "the cute bear pose case"

Thanks again!

Scott Stoness wrote:
My tip is - don’t worry about migrating ef to rf. The adapters work really well. Buy 3 or 4 of them and leave them on your existing lens so you are not juggling in the field. Buy the ef-rf flip in adapter and variety nd adapter if your landscape lens are good . The adapter and variety nd will let you have no need for filters for each lens. And ef lens are price is declining Great l lens at great prices and no Nd filter juggling!

At f8 old L Ef lens Adapted are a bargain

Good luck...Show more →

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Scott Stoness wrote:
My 2nd tip is that I am also into landscapes and wildlife. I set up my camera c1,c2,c3 a lot as follows:

Stills:
1 - on the tripod in early light landscape - 100 iso (to maximise dynamic range), still shooting, efcs (to minimise shutter vibration and to keep the higher dynamic range that goes away at low iso with electronics shutter), aeb (to be able to blend and get more dynamic range, f11 (to have more dof but not too much defraction, I back it off to f8 if there is nothing close by), 2s timer (so I don't have...Show more →
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