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p.1 #1 · p.1 #1 · Position of camera insert inside of hiking backpack


Dear all,

is there a more comfortable way of positioning a camera insert inside of a hiking backpack?

My impression is that, putting a jacket in the bottom of the backpack and then the camera insert, improve the confort.

I am using 24 and 34 liters backpack and a tenba insert. Insert weights 3 kilograms tripod 1.5 kilograms.

I believe external carrying of the tripod, with central position is the most comfortable way for me in what concerns the tripod.

For the camera insert i still do not know

Thanks in advance!


May 17, 2024 at 04:35 PM
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p.1 #2 · p.1 #2 · Position of camera insert inside of hiking backpack


mid point close to the back.


May 17, 2024 at 05:50 PM
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p.1 #3 · p.1 #3 · Position of camera insert inside of hiking backpack


I put mine in the bottom of hiking backpack to keep my center of gravity low. It doesn't really matter on easy trails, but falling could mean disaster on difficult trails.
May 17, 2024 at 07:20 PM
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p.1 #4 · p.1 #4 · Position of camera insert inside of hiking backpack


Put mine in the bottom of my pack. Typically need access to other things I’m carrying and to get to my gear, i use the rear panel.
May 17, 2024 at 07:30 PM
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p.1 #5 · p.1 #5 · Position of camera insert inside of hiking backpack


from a weight and balance POV there is one view for other options other views. i have moved away from the back panel but i have excellent access.
May 17, 2024 at 07:57 PM
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p.1 #6 · p.1 #6 · Position of camera insert inside of hiking backpack


what do you put in the bottom? Jacket... light things?

sjms wrote:
mid point close to the back.




May 18, 2024 at 07:49 AM
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p.1 #7 · p.1 #7 · Position of camera insert inside of hiking backpack


like you said a cushioning agent aka: clothing

i do have cases that support multiple items too.
May 18, 2024 at 08:03 AM
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p.1 #8 · p.1 #8 · Position of camera insert inside of hiking backpack


Technically, you want your heavy load close and low when the pack is properly fitted . But from my experience, if the load is light, I would put it anywhere prioritizing easy access. The only thing you don’t want is to have the insert loosely positioned inside the pack and not properly cinched down. With the tripod, if you have it on one side, have something at a similar weight on the other. For a heavier load and tougher trip, you can also offset some of the load in front like the Aarn packs or MR Bridger. I can do 20kg/40lb like that with ease on most of my packs. Regardless of the way you pack, don’t let the load move around easily as you move, that will tire you more than placing the weight in a less optimal way.
May 18, 2024 at 05:27 PM
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p.1 #9 · p.1 #9 · Position of camera insert inside of hiking backpack


Tenba 10 at the bottom of my Osprey 22L has worked for me for many, many years and many, many miles.
May 18, 2024 at 05:33 PM
 


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p.1 #10 · p.1 #10 · Position of camera insert inside of hiking backpack


basic pack weight and balance.

pivot point of entire pack is the hip belt (pretty much the lowest part of the pack) one of the reasons on many a pack that's were the sleeping bag goes. put the heavier items low with a frame based (both internal and external) pack and it pulls back on the shoulders straps.

using REI as an example (and there are other sources quite similar): https://www.rei.com/learn/expert-advice/loading-backpack.html

that packing advice hasn't changed in over 35 years

your camera equipment is the densest heaviest stuff you are putting in your pack.

i try to minimize discomfort.









May 18, 2024 at 07:10 PM
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p.1 #11 · p.1 #11 · Position of camera insert inside of hiking backpack


My impression is that if the camera insert is in the bottom, the smaller backpack is more confortable.

The 34-36 liters should be more confortable, and it has more padding, but the camera insert "drops" lower and create for me some kind of disturbance in the lumbar zone. I will try to put something with volume and light to add cushioning.

I take the advice of not letting it move as very advisable. 4.5 kg should not be unconfortable, so I know i am doing something not correct. Even if one add a 1l bottle it should remain nice and confortable for a day walk.

About lateral weight balance. I try to equilibrate the weight of the tripod with the one of teh water bottle if i carry the tripod in lateral position.

Do yo put the camera insert vertical or horizontal ?
May 19, 2024 at 11:41 AM
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p.1 #12 · p.1 #12 · Position of camera insert inside of hiking backpack


if you are using a smaller pack that makes no real use of a hip belt setup and support structure everything is coming off your shoulders as it has no real support system. you're carrying a sack
May 19, 2024 at 03:10 PM
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p.1 #13 · p.1 #13 · Position of camera insert inside of hiking backpack


24l is enough to have a nice belt transmission. Actually, the 24 and the 36l i have are the same model, one more tour oriented and the other more as daypack. Deuter knows what they are doing although maybe not the best manufacturer i have the feeling it is not a sack

sjms wrote:
if you are using a smaller pack that makes no real use of a hip belt setup and support structure everything is coming off your shoulders as it has no real support system. you're carrying a sack
May 19, 2024 at 04:07 PM
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p.1 #14 · p.1 #14 · Position of camera insert inside of hiking backpack


as long as you have the structure built in to do it aka: frame.

i have a deuter pack in my basement. a freerider 30 (30L). it has a frame sheet and inverted U flex stay. it is also pretty shallow horizontally. its got a structure. no that is not a sack. volume vs weight carried. proper fit is key. you need to have the vertical fit to do the job the best.

in the end of this its whatever makes sense to you and then you try it out. if its good move forward and enjoy. if not, adjust until it works for you.
May 19, 2024 at 04:08 PM
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p.1 #15 · p.1 #15 · Position of camera insert inside of hiking backpack


I have been making some trials, considering not only the position of the camera insert but also the side in which it is introduced.

The camera is the heavier and more voluminous item inside the camera insert. The structure inside my camera insert is as sketched, were the camera with one objective mounted is represented by the Cs, Objectives by the O and filters by F. All together ~3kg or 6 pounds

O CCC F
O O C F

Inserting the thing in vertical, that is turning the sketch +-90 degrees, i get much better comfort if the objectives are as much down as possible. Compression straps also help to immobilize the thing Let say comfort with +90° and -90° it is not similar at all.

One of the two sides (considering which one touches by back) is flatter than the other. The flatter the better, but I still can remark the unevenness of the objectives and so on. This increase carrying the tripod in central position externally. It creates some pressure against my back, probably by momentum.

Central tripod carrying is more comfortable than lateral carrying even if also having a bottle of water.

Any advice? Maybe modifying the disposition of items isnde of the camera insert?
Jun 07, 2024 at 04:09 AM
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p.1 #16 · p.1 #16 · Position of camera insert inside of hiking backpack


Current "best practices" backpacking advice is usually what @sjms@@ said - heavy dense items should be mid height and close to your back.

When I go backpacking with camera gear I always pack the same way: first sleeping bag in a trash compactor bag at the very bottom. Then the tent fly and ground cover in their own trash compactor bag. Then the ICU, the. Everything else. The weight of the ICU packs down the sleeping bag and uses space much more efficiently than compression sacks. The trash compactor bags are nearly indestructible, weigh next to nothing, and keep moisture away from the sleeping bag, as well as contain the moisture/condensation that typically forms on the tent fly from spreading to other gear. Not having to put a wet fly in its stuff sack, which is almost always under sized, is a benefit. And keeping the fly separate from the inner means that you don't end up sleeping on a soggy surface.

One downside with this setup is that you end up with a meaningful amount of gear above the ICU, so taking it out mid day to shoot is a bit of a hassle. When I know there is a higher probability of shooting during the day I put the ICU higher in the backpack so it is easier to get to. If I am shooting actively middm day that usually means that there isnt some hairy incline I am going over or a certain distance that needs to be covered, so having the ICU in a sub optimal position is not a big deal.
Jun 08, 2024 at 12:08 PM
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p.1 #17 · p.1 #17 · Position of camera insert inside of hiking backpack


Mystery Ranch Bridger 45L
i this case a dummy setup in 3 sections
height 25"

openable by either back or lid or both

loading position can and will vary
Jun 08, 2024 at 02:33 PM







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