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p.1 #1 · p.1 #1 · 150-400mm f/4.5 Pro - Any word on quality of new units being made in Vietnam ?


Hi Folks,

M34 lurker in search of some advice.

I've been shooting the 300mm f/4 pro for over a year, and I'm about to take the plunge and purchase a 150-400 Pro. I am probably overthinking this but I am wondering if there are any appreciable differences between the Japanese manufactured Olympus lenses vs. the new OM branded ones from Vietnam.

I can afford the new purchase ( B&H w/o tax ), but after looking at some concluded sales here that specifically mention "US version made in Japan" I am wondering if I should hunt up a made in Japan copy.

Thanks in advance for any input.



Apr 20, 2024 at 09:05 PM
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The new lenses seem to be a lot more expensive - they used to be CAD$9998. I knew the inflation rate was bad, but this is ridiculous:





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Aug 14, 2024 at 09:46 AM
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That must be the special gold-plated interior with diamond-studded hood option


Aug 14, 2024 at 02:21 PM
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molson wrote:
The new lenses seem to be a lot more expensive - they used to be CAD$9998. I knew the inflation rate was bad, but this is ridiculous:










Aug 14, 2024 at 11:49 PM
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p.1 #5 · p.1 #5 · 150-400mm f/4.5 Pro - Any word on quality of new units being made in Vietnam ?


This lens is strangely enough priced about the same here in Sweden as over there. Usually we pay a good 30-40% premium on most photo gear.

For what it's worth, I am satisfied with the performance of my Vietnam made one.

European Greenfinch by Christer Medin, on Flickr



Aug 15, 2024 at 04:35 AM
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p.1 #6 · p.1 #6 · 150-400mm f/4.5 Pro - Any word on quality of new units being made in Vietnam ?


It's still $7500 US at BHPhoto. Would be worth a drive to NYC to save the dough.

Anecdotal evidence says the Japanese model is sharper. I ran into a guy shooting eagles with the Vietnam one and we discussed and fooled around with this. He shot with my Japanese model and I shot with his Vietnam one. To my eye, mine was a snad sharper when I pixel peeped at home.

I would look for a used Japanese one. I found mine used at a camera store in Indiana after searching the web on a daily basis for several weeks. This was before the new ones were available and I paid the new price for the used one.

That lens will be buried with me. .



Aug 16, 2024 at 10:42 AM
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Alan Kefauver wrote:
It's still $7500 US at BHPhoto. Would be worth a drive to NYC to save the dough.


There would be no saving since the retail price at major retail dealers in Canada is $10,000 or less.

That equates to $7,300US.







Aug 16, 2024 at 11:17 AM
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I'd be happy to have this lens, Japanese model or Vietnam one it doesn't matter which one

But I think it's too expensive new


Ronny



Aug 18, 2024 at 12:56 PM
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with all due respect, anyone claiming that the Japanese version of the lens is sharper should really show pictures and mention specifically how the images were captured. i mean, just about any _any one_ lens cannot perform 100% all the time due to various factors (even with a fairly static subject) that's why we take multiple shots of the same subject and situation when possible especially when you're after the resulting image to be close to technical perfection. i'm not even talking about lens manufacturing sampling variations for the same lens. otherwise you're not providing meaningful information to the person genuinely seeking it.

look, the only variable here is that new lens is made in Vietnam and the reason it was moved there is for labor cost reasons as the lens itself has not changed, design- and material-wise. There's a statement from OM System that says that lens has not changed since they moved factories. to be honest, the country of origin hasn't been an issue lately with more and more of the processes being mostly automated anyway.

I agonized through the same dilemma a few months ago researching high and low about this lens. every review/forum/album samples I saw shows that the lens produces astounding images with near-optical perfection even with less-than-capable skills regardless of where it's been manufactured. needless to say, when i had an opportunity to get the new lens at waaayy less than the MSRP, i bought one after selling both my kidneys and one of my kids.

I compared it with the already ridiculously excellent 300/4 here and came to the conclusion that it compares favorably to the prime and even if the Japanese version is sharper, it would be really hard to see how it could be sharper. and to me it doesn't really matter.

do you have to listen to me? of course not...but if it matters, i am somewhat of a stickler (for better or for worse) for optical perfection and i tend to stick to owning/using the best lenses (when I can afford them) even when paired with my far-less-than-stellar photographic skills. and the 150-400 is up there among the best.

I would not hesitate buying the new Vietnam version again.



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Aug 19, 2024 at 07:13 AM
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dalegaspi wrote:
with all due respect, anyone claiming that the Japanese version of the lens is sharper should really show pictures and mention specifically how the images were captured. i mean, just about any _any one_ lens cannot perform 100% all the time due to various factors (even with a fairly static subject) that's why we take multiple shots of the same subject and situation when possible especially when you're after the resulting image to be close to technical perfection. i'm not even talking about lens manufacturing sampling variations for the same lens. otherwise you're not providing meaningful information to the person
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Right on. I have also been on this site since 2004 and have seen too many instances where a member claims lens X is not as sharp as lens Y, or does not focus as quickly, etc., etc. Unless I am sure those comments are made by competent photographers, I pay little attention to such claims. An accurate comparison between two lenses should show results from both that have been taken by the same person with exactly the same settings and shooting conditions, as well as the exactly same post-processing.

A competent photographer with good PP skills can produce better images with an inferior copy of the same lens as an incompetent photographer with poor PP skills can produce with the same lens or even a better copy.

Then there are the photographers that blame the very sharpest lenses for giving unsharp results because of heat shimmer that degrades images regardless of how good the lens is.



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p.1 #11 · p.1 #11 · 150-400mm f/4.5 Pro - Any word on quality of new units being made in Vietnam ?


Very well said.

Cheers,

George


dalegaspi wrote:
with all due respect, anyone claiming that the Japanese version of the lens is sharper should really show pictures and mention specifically how the images were captured. i mean, just about any _any one_ lens cannot perform 100% all the time due to various factors (even with a fairly static subject) that's why we take multiple shots of the same subject and situation when possible especially when you're after the resulting image to be close to technical perfection. i'm not even talking about lens manufacturing sampling variations for the same lens. otherwise you're not providing meaningful information to the person
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Aug 19, 2024 at 07:42 PM
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dalegaspi wrote:
with all due respect, anyone claiming that the Japanese version of the lens is sharper should really show pictures and mention specifically how the images were captured. i mean, just about any _any one_ lens cannot perform 100% all the time due to various factors (even with a fairly static subject) that's why we take multiple shots of the same subject and situation when possible especially when you're after the resulting image to be close to technical perfection. i'm not even talking about lens manufacturing sampling variations for the same lens. otherwise you're not providing meaningful information to the person
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Agreed 100%. I started typing up a similar response yesterday but you put it so much better. The 150-400 has earned a spot in my very short list of "special" lenses; after some 30 years of this hobby there have been a handful. Zoom in to 100% and yep, still tack sharp. Seems highly unlikely that OM Systems would redesign the lens to use cheaper materials or something when moving production, so any issues would have to arise from sloppy assembly or QC. But so far I've only seen a couple of anecdotal posts and general speculation on the topic and it isn't all that convincing. Comparing any two copies regardless of origin is likely to reveal some minor differences.



Aug 20, 2024 at 12:46 AM
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p.1 #13 · p.1 #13 · 150-400mm f/4.5 Pro - Any word on quality of new units being made in Vietnam ?


Why not buy it fromB/H and use PayBoo- no tax- do not drive to NYC for anything other than pizza and bagels .


Aug 23, 2024 at 09:10 AM
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I own the older Japan made version (my impressions here)

In April, I was overseas and rented a copy that was made in Vietnam. The only difference I could discern was the newer Vietnam version had slightly more resistance to the TC lever. My lens is 3+ years old so perhaps more broken in. No difference in sharpness, AF, contrast, rendering or anything like that.

I would pick up whatever version you can find at the best price. I did get an email with a 10% off code from OM System that appears to work for the 150-400. PM me if you are interested, I will send you the code.



Aug 23, 2024 at 12:33 PM
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By the way, how do you tell if you have the Japanese or Vietnam version? Is it on the big metal cover, if it says Olympus, is it the Japanese one? And if it says OM stystem, is it the Vietnam version ?

Ronny



Sep 04, 2024 at 12:12 PM
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Ronny Olsson wrote:
By the way, how do you tell if you have the Japanese or Vietnam version? Is it on the big metal cover, if it says Olympus, is it the Japanese one? And if it says OM stystem, is it the Vietnam version ?

Ronny


I have the Vietnam version and it reads "MADE IN VIETNAM" in the inner portion of the lens mount (black portion).



Sep 04, 2024 at 09:04 PM
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dalegaspi wrote:
I have the Vietnam version and it reads "MADE IN VIETNAM" in the inner portion of the lens mount (black portion).




Thanks
it says OMsystem on your metal plate on top of the lens?

Ronny



Sep 04, 2024 at 11:31 PM
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Ronny Olsson wrote:
Thanks
it says OMsystem on your metal plate on top of the lens?

Ronny


Yes.




Sep 05, 2024 at 07:58 AM
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dalegaspi wrote:
Yes.



Thanks !

was mostly curious how to tell which version is which .. like i said i'll gladly take any of these version

Ronny







Sep 05, 2024 at 11:59 AM
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I have a made in Japan Olympus 150-400.
if I'm not mistaken my friend owns an 'Olympus' 150-400 made in Vietnam purchased more than a year later than mine.
*he was completely new to m4/3 and was struggling to get as high a keeper rate as I. he suspected it may be an issue with his new lens (150-400). we were both shooting OM-1 with nearly the same settings standing next to each other shooting the same subject.
i tried his lens (and also mounted it to my camera for a spell) and found nothing to mention as far as differences of anything. it was just as sharp and fast as mine.



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