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CANON 5D CLASSIC IN 2024 ?!

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p.2 #1 · p.2 #1 · CANON 5D CLASSIC IN 2024 ?!

I find it hilarious that some folk around here are convinced that whenever a new camera is introduced (especially if it's a v.2 or some such) all earlier cameras cease to function just are worthless. (Don't get me started on the '2nd coming of Canon' with the whole RF thing.) All of my 'old gear' works just fine, and you want to know the truth? I rarely push the limits of their capabilities. Maybe I'm just a bit slow…

Mar 27, 2024 at 06:03 PM

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p.2 #2 · p.2 #2 · CANON 5D CLASSIC IN 2024 ?!

Dilemma wrote:
This isn't the first time I've seen 'classic' attached to the original 5D. When did this happen?

Not long after the 5D2 came out, to make it clear that someone was referring specifically to the original 5D. This happens in many fields.

Mar 27, 2024 at 06:17 PM

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p.2 #3 · p.2 #3 · CANON 5D CLASSIC IN 2024 ?!

Mike_5D wrote:
Not long after the 5D2 came out, to make it clear that someone was referring specifically to the original 5D. This happens in many fields.

Yes, but it was stupid and unnecessary, 5D, 5D2, 5D3, 5D4. There was no 5D1 or 5D Classic. Just ask Canon.

Mar 27, 2024 at 07:30 PM

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p.2 #4 · p.2 #4 · CANON 5D CLASSIC IN 2024 ?!

People say the same things about the Nikon D700 and the Leica M9, magic pixie dust. I’ve owned both of these bodies, sold the 5D for the D700 and never looked back.

Mar 27, 2024 at 11:18 PM

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Mar 27, 2024 at 11:53 PM

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p.2 #6 · p.2 #6 · CANON 5D CLASSIC IN 2024 ?!

OntheRez wrote:
I find it hilarious that some folk around here are convinced that whenever a new camera is introduced (especially if it's a v.2 or some such) all earlier cameras cease to function just are worthless. (Don't get me started on the '2nd coming of Canon' with the whole RF thing.) All of my 'old gear' works just fine, and you want to know the truth? I rarely push the limits of their capabilities. Maybe I'm just a bit slow…

“ 2nd coming “ 😂👍🏻

That sums it up perfectly for me.
I agree wholeheartedly with you - hence canon’s second coming has totally switched me off.
They don’t seem to grasp not everyone wants or needs FF, not everyone wants huge expensive FF glass. The alternative is slow expensive consumer tat.
I’m currently trying out Pentax. Loving the dinky Da limited prime lenses and the fast 2.8 Da * zooms. Admittedly the tech is old but the size and weight encourages me to want to go out and shoot.
I’ve no desire whatsoever to limit myself with f6.3, 7.1, 8 or F11 😂😂 lenses. I couldn’t give a monkeys how good the IS is, I simply don’t want slow zooms. In the EF era canon offered a fair few 3.5-4.5 zooms (I think I have most of them)
For me this is the real Achilles heel with the whole R line, superb bodies and great L glass yet diabolical consumer crap offered to entice you in.
Each to their own, judging by these boards most R users are happy with the switch. For me the realisation I would need to spend £1000’s just to replicate my existing inventory is on par with those that felt compelled to replicate their DVD collection with BlueRay back then….that’s a whole new level of stupid….

I wonder if they felt it improved the storyline 😂

Mar 28, 2024 at 12:55 AM

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p.2 #7 · p.2 #7 · CANON 5D CLASSIC IN 2024 ?!

So now it's gone from one nonsensical extreme to another.

All "older" cameras are functionally, aesthetically obsolete, and therefore worthless.

All "newer" camera models are no better, or even worse than older models, and as such are also worthless.

Mar 28, 2024 at 08:54 AM

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p.2 #8 · p.2 #8 · CANON 5D CLASSIC IN 2024 ?!

OntheRez wrote:
I find it hilarious that some folk around here are convinced that whenever a new camera is introduced (especially if it's a v.2 or some such) all earlier cameras cease to function just are worthless.

I missed the posts where anyone said that or anything remotely like that. Could you please provide quotes/links?

Alternatively:

“I find it hilarious that some folk around here make up stuff that no one said just so that they can be outraged about their fantasies.”.

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Mar 28, 2024 at 09:12 AM

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p.2 #9 · p.2 #9 · CANON 5D CLASSIC IN 2024 ?!

I can say that the 20D has more resolution than I expected, now that I found USM in DPP 3 (Sharpening is default.) Did find the noise, though, but it's not that bad up to 1600 imo. If you shoot RAW (really easy to jettison detail on 5D jpegs) you might get a lot closer than expected to current 20-24mp sensors on 12mp having a weak AA filter

I really don't find color to be the same on the 20D vs more recent bodies, and I think the 5D is more similar to the older. if it is different one person is likely to prefer it, another person might prefer the newer, so it's reasonable to think that the 5D colors "better" to some. The red channel doesn't seem to blow out as easily on the 20D on, say, butterflies having orange on them in the late afternoon

I picked one up in 2010, still > $1k then, remember thinking it'd be hard to get the level of resolution improvement on the 5D vs 40D getting "better" lenses.

Mar 28, 2024 at 10:14 AM

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p.2 #10 · p.2 #10 · CANON 5D CLASSIC IN 2024 ?!

gdanmitchell wrote:
I missed the posts where anyone said that or anything remotely like that. Could you please provide quotes/links?

It requires some degree of what's referred to as, "reading between the lines".

When it's presented with a degree of astonishment, that a former camera model is still capable of producing acceptable quality images, it would seem to imply that the presenter thought that to be a revelation of sorts.

Mar 28, 2024 at 11:16 AM

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p.2 #11 · p.2 #11 · CANON 5D CLASSIC IN 2024 ?!

ImageMaster. There have been such posts, but my observation is more to the 'attitude and feel' of this Forum.

Gdanmitchell. Seriously, how many post have you seen of late with anything but RF? They exist but are likely less than, 15%?

As to the RF being an 'improvement' to the EF series, I'm sure there are many including resolution and such. Was not aware of more FPS, but when considering it a bit, digital has to be quicker than the mechanical shutter.

In the end - for me - it comes down to: 1) Just how well does the older model do the job - for you; 2) My 1Dx II does 14 fps. That's a lot though more would always be nice; 3) Lenses. Buying an RF would require a whole new set. I currently have an array of 8 ranging from a 15mm wide angle to the 100-400mm all EF models. I guess there are adapters for the RF.? Haven't studied that; 4) We're talking a whole lot of money. I've never added up my total investment over the last 25+ years, but shudder to think how much it has been.

Anyway, just some thoughts.

Mar 28, 2024 at 11:20 AM

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p.2 #12 · p.2 #12 · CANON 5D CLASSIC IN 2024 ?!

OntheRez wrote:
ImageMaster. There have been such posts, but my observation is more to the 'attitude and feel' of this Forum.

Gdanmitchell. Seriously, how many post have you seen of late with anything but RF? They exist but are likely less than, 15%?

As to the RF being an 'improvement' to the EF series, I'm sure there are many including resolution and such. Was not aware of more FPS, but when considering it a bit, digital has to be quicker than the mechanical shutter.

In the end - for me - it comes down to: 1) Just how well does the older model do...Show more →

Generally, I'm still getting by with my 5DS, 6D, M5, M6, etc., and crappy old EF lenses (and Alts). I used to shoot a lot with 1DX, 1DIV, and earlier D-series models.

Anyway, I plan to buy into the R-series when they release a 75+MP camera, but now that I'm retired I probably won't be able to afford it. Regardless, I've been paying attention. When I do get a R-series camera (my LTM lenses are getting impatient), I fully expect my existing EF lenses (a lot of them), will perform better on R-series cameras with Canon EF/RF adapters, (mostly, AF) than on my EOS/EF cameras. At least, with the 'good ones', like R5,R6,R3... My first R-series camera will have in-body IS (IBIS). I plan to stick with my EF lenses (trinity zooms, 50+85/1.2, 100-400L IS II, 500/4L IS, ...) maybe pick up something useful, like the RF 24-105/4L IS (my EF needs a new ribbon cable, 3rd time).

I will miss that shutter-slap, though. I took a classic group shot about ten years ago in Utah, at the Boulder Mountain lookoff to the Henrys. Ten or so people standing side-by-each, and me about twenty feet away, with my 1DIV + 70-200/2.8L IS II. I took a long series of head/shoulder shots at 10fps, slowly panning left to right. By the time I got to the end, the expressions were priceless. It was fun.

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Mar 28, 2024 at 12:15 PM

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This thread was like a rebuttal in search of a testament.

If the thread had begun with a member stating that, in their opinion, the Classic 5D was obsolete, and therefore incapable of producing quality image files, then the posted video would have been an appropriate rebuttal. but since there was nothing in any way derogatory mentioned as to the 5D's capability, defending it was/is rather pointless.

It's like arguing with another person based solely upon assumption, and presumption, of what they're thinking rather than fact.

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p.2 #14 · p.2 #14 · CANON 5D CLASSIC IN 2024 ?!

Sounds like something The Architect would say (The Matrix).

Mar 28, 2024 at 12:27 PM

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Sy Sez wrote:
It requires some degree of what's referred to as, "reading between the lines".

When it's presented with a degree of astonishment, that a former camera model is still capable of producing acceptable quality images, it would seem to imply that the presenter thought that to be a revelation of sorts.

Which presenter? I still have not seen much of anyone express " astonishment, that a former camera model is still capable of producing acceptable quality images."

In fact, the general comments have ranged between "It works just as well as it worked when it was new" to "yes, but newer cameras have improved, too." Some, like me, who have been fans of the 5D at one time (and still regard it as one of the more important camera that Canon made) agree with the "it works as well as it did when it was new" perspective but disagree with the "it has some kind of special magic" notion.

That's pretty much it.

No one has said that the 5D isn't capable of producing "acceptable quality images."

OntheRez wrote:
Gdanmitchell. Seriously, how many post have you seen of late with anything but RF? They exist but are likely less than, 15%?

Not sure where you are going with that or how it relates to what I wrote, but it sure makes sense that people who are looking for gear — and thus posting in the Canon gear forum — are increasingly going to be posting about the newer equipment. I think that it now has been something like 5 1/2 years since the R system was introduced.

Again, none of that means that older cameras or lenses (which I use, by the way!!!) don't work or don't' work as well as they did.

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To no one in particular and everyone in general:

This thread could benefit from a bit more nuance (and careful reading and posting) and a bit less positioning out at the fringes. I know... that's not nearly as exciting as saving the internet from those awful (and generally imaginary) demons who want to denigrate a 18-year-old camera (or maybe just point out that cameras have continued to improve since that improved camera came out)... ;-)

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p.2 #16 · p.2 #16 · CANON 5D CLASSIC IN 2024 ?!

A drive-by post of a non-poster here to shill their low-effort youtube video actually got ALL of your jimmies in a knot.

The 5D was a nice camera in the day. I scrimped and saved for months to buy a used copy for $1300 and had to live month to month for my splurge

It had a few issues that make it a not-very-good-camera-to-pick-up-today, like a very low usable ISO range, very slappy mirror, dead memory format, and overall low resolution. That said, of course it can be used now, just as it was back then, to create some nice images in the right hands and conditions.

I very much doubt many in a blind test would be able to tell this was shot 12 years ago on a 12mp camera!

Mar 28, 2024 at 01:25 PM

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p.2 #17 · p.2 #17 · CANON 5D CLASSIC IN 2024 ?!

RoamingScott wrote:
A drive-by post of a non-poster here to shill their low-effort youtube video actually got ALL of your jimmies in a knot.

The 5D was a nice camera in the day. I scrimped and saved for months to buy a used copy for $1300 and had to live month to month for my splurge

It had a few issues that make it a not-very-good-camera-to-pick-up-today, like a very low usable ISO range, very slappy mirror, and overall low resolution. That said, of course it can be used now, just as it was back then, to create some nice images in...Show more →

So, you put on your jammies, too? ;-)

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More generally:

FWIW, I've sold and licensed a lot of prints of photographs that I made back in the day with my 5D when it was pretty much state of the art. Like all cameras, it had its pluses and minuses, though at the time the pluses vastly outweighed the minutes for many kinds of photography.

If you use one today, you'll be able to produce images that are technically as good as we could produce back then, which was actually pretty good. In any case, most people are more constrained by the challenges of producing aesthetically good images (it is hard!) than by technical stuff. If you find that you have no choice but to use this old camera (or another like it) or if you prefer to keep using it, that's perfectly fine for you.

Mar 28, 2024 at 01:30 PM

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p.2 #18 · p.2 #18 · CANON 5D CLASSIC IN 2024 ?!

It had a few issues that make it a not-very-good-camera-to-pick-up-today, like a very low usable ISO range, very slappy mirror, dead memory format, and overall low resolution. That said, of course it can be used now, just as it was back then, to create some...Show more →

I don’t know, the skin tones look off to me 🤣

Mar 28, 2024 at 01:44 PM

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p.2 #19 · p.2 #19 · CANON 5D CLASSIC IN 2024 ?!

Is there a way to pull up the old 5D image threads or are those images wiped off the server as the years pass onward? If we could see the old 5D image threads it would look just like today's image threads, except for high ISO shots and an occasional fast action shot. But the 5D's center point was still very capable of shooting sports if you needed to. I shot everything with that body and the IQ still holds up well today.

Mar 28, 2024 at 01:49 PM

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p.2 #20 · p.2 #20 · CANON 5D CLASSIC IN 2024 ?!

gdanmitchell wrote:
To no one in particular and everyone in general:

This thread could benefit from a bit more nuance (and careful reading and posting) and a bit less positioning out at the fringes. I know... that's not nearly as exciting as saving the internet from those awful (and generally imaginary) demons who want to denigrate a 18-year-old camera (or maybe just point out that cameras have continued to improve since that improved camera came out)... ;-)

That's very good advice.

Perhaps it would be wise to follow it yourself.

Mar 28, 2024 at 04:47 PM

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