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Newest R5II Rumours and Thoughts

  
 
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p.30 #1 · p.30 #1 · Newest R5II Rumours and Thoughts


So some youtube people are saying $4299 for the R5II. Too much for me. I just got my R5 for half that (a little more) last black friday. I'd love a stacked sensor camera, but don't need the video features - seems like R5II is right between the R5 and R5c segment wise, and the price makes sense for that. I'll wait 2 years for the price drops, and in the mean time look at the R3 - get me a stacked sensor for sports and not having to worry about the 45mp files for that application will be nice. Assuming the refurb and used prices come down a bit on the R3s now.

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Jul 16, 2024 at 08:40 PM
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JaimitoFrog wrote:
"We were off a bit on the launch prices, the EOS R5 Mark II is higher than $3999, and the EOS R1 is lower than the $6499 that we reported."

https://www.canonrumors.com/here-are-a-couple-of-images-of-the-eos-r1-and-eos-r5-mark-ii/

Looking back, I got R5 at launch in 2020 for $3899.

Active cooling grip doesn't have a vertical shutter button. Makes sense as this is for video.

https://www.canonrumors.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/07/r52-1.jpg

https://www.canonrumors.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/07/eosr1back-1.jpg


Well for starters I welcome the video light on the front of the R5II. Looks like the EVF hump is slightly taller and wider.



Jul 16, 2024 at 08:43 PM
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p.30 #3 · p.30 #3 · Newest R5II Rumours and Thoughts


Anyone have any idea how the active cooling system should work? Assuming there's an intake and exhaust vent, with one of them seen on the front of the grip? Could there be a replaceable filter inside?


Jul 16, 2024 at 08:55 PM
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https://petapixel.com/2024/07/17/how-the-canon-eos-r5-ii-compares-to-its-peers-spec-for-spec/

Keeping in mind I am a still landscape and big animal (bear) photographer, with occasional 4k video of my grandson and bears.

$4300

Big Animal:
-30fps electronic - with no 12 bit drop - great on 14 bit and adjustable 20, 15, 10 or 5fps.
- pre burst is improved - not in container - but no ability to set pre burst time - fixed at 0.5s - good for me but will require more culling and bigger card to be useful
- precapture requires more power so older batteries (same form factor) will not be adequate requiring more new batteries - would cost me some money say 5x$100 and obsoletes a bunch of batteries. Newer batteries give higher output but not longer life
- 45mpx / bsi / stacked - delivers much improved rolling shutter but not perfect - good
- sd and cfexpress - type 4? - not - bit improved but not much
[Jan reports - Not much improved buffer based on video above (200craw vs 130 before and possibly stutter after. Was hoping for v4 of Cfexpress (not)] Petapixel says 93 raw on buffer which is perhaps 10% better than r5. Jury is out her for me, if R5ii can improve the 4s buffer clear with my fastest card it could be an improvement but not likely since not v4.
- The variable 30,20,15, 10, 5 should enables better buffer than r5ii - a big improvement.
- eye focus where you look- meh so far to me - my eyes are not that good and I wear glasses
- better features - preprogramming people - for sticky - mostly meh for me because my grandson is 10 months and not into sports yet
- analog switch between video and still - good
- no blackout
- has a new blur detect feature - which highlights pictures not blurred - which should be helpful to culling

Video:
- 8k raw 60/fps - meh to me - if I am slow mo'ing bears I want faster
- optional grips for video to manage heat - meh to me but useful to video centric people
- HDMI full - does not matter to me - meh to me but useful to video people
- Jordan - petal pixel says much improved rolling shutter
- more dynamic range re Clog2
- front light to indicate recording - good for video people but I will tape it over to not be noticeable for my bears
- dual shooting - stills while in video
- good on heating for 2 hours with fan grip
- don't see specifically a 30m + recording but canon propaganda above says 2hour video without overheating which implies >30min


Stills/Landscape:
- 45mpx is okay but not improved from r5 - meh to me
- IBIS 8.5 stops - meh to me, I am either action or tripod and my animals move
- Newer batteries give higher output but not longer life - would cost me 5x$100 negative
- have not seen any reports on better or same dynamic range - am looking

Other:
3 optional grips - just more battery, ethernet grip, or cooling grip - all in the range of $650 use - meh to me

My gut feel right now is:
- Preburst is improved to be useful (not container) but would require $500 in new batteries and a much bigger card and culling - okay you can just leave it on with culling penalty.
- 30 fps is better and worse - better in more options but worse in culling, and 14 bit, you can turn the speed down
- Negatives of $4300 and $500 for new batteries and would need bigger
- dynamic range - still reading reviews and not sure where this is at
- Rolling shutter is way improved, but this is not a big deal for me in video and stills
- Buffer not much improved as reported yet.
- Analog video vs stills is good

I am considering preordering for the 14bit adjustable fps and precapture for bears, but I am not in a big rush because bear season ends in early September. Most of the features added are more for BIF and video. For mostly still photographers, the R5II is not much improved over the already excellent R5 (good news for buying R5).

For video centric shooters, the R5ii is a must have for clog2, heat management with fan grip, and poxy and other features.

For BIF centric shooter, lots of improvements (biggest is much improved rolling shutter, variable fps, electronic, 14 bit electronic and preburst [with culling), improved A/f, it feels like desirable. [14 bit does not matter much at high iso, pre burst will come with lots of work eg 30vs20fps and fixed 0.5s and lots of new batteries]. Most serious BIF people will be highly tempted

So I think in total its not much of an improvement from R5ii for stills --- so if you have lots of Canon lens and are BIF and Video focussed, it will be good for you. For landscape, so far it appears that 5dsr (50mpx, no aa) and R5 (price) are more tempting.

As a Canon captive photographer (enough lens to stay and good enough), I would like Canon to remain #1 in market, so that ancillary are readily available. Perhaps Canon can fix precapture in hardware updates, but why did they not get this right after several years. I think the video capability is going to be very appealing to video people. The R1 has too little mpx to be a serious choice for landscape or cropping. Overall, I would say that the R5 has enough new features (30fps, pre burst, variable fps 14bit electronic, clog2, overheating protection features, >30s video...) that it is clearly better for anyone who is not strictly focussed on landscape on at tripod - a winner!

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[revised - to reflect variable electronic speeds]




Jul 17, 2024 at 08:11 AM
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