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At risk of me restarting an existing post - I looked and did not see it.
March 6 https://www.canonrumors.com/canon-eos-r5-mark-ii-specifications/
1) 45mp BSI CMOS Image Sensor (We believe it'll be a stacked design)
2) 3.2″ OLED articulating screen
3) New DIGIC Processor (Name unknown)
4) No mechanical shutter (The source claims that they're pretty sure on this one)
5) Max burst 60fps
6) New AI autofocus features
7) 8K RAW
8) 4K @ 120fps
9) Canon Log 1, 2 & 3
I am largely still photographer and target mostly landscape 40% and large big animals (bears, wolves, moose...) 40% and family pictures of my 6 month old grandson (20% but he's cute enough that a pinhole camera would be fine).
45mpx is okay. I was hoping for 80mpx for landscape but it's okay and will mean I can live with my 2019 computer. An 45mpx out resolves most lens. But I was really hoping for no AA filter to reduce sharpening processes.
BSI, stacked, no mechanical will likely have fast read out speed and better dynamic range - dynamic range will be good for dark animals shooting. The combination of fast read out (stacked) and electronic shutter likely solves the issues with bent trees for BIF people but does nothing for me. I really look forward to all electronic because the electronic was not available with AEB (for landscape) and it implies faster read out speeds and less vibration. It also suggests that they have solved the drop to 12bit from 14 when in electronic. This is good but not that significant because 12 bit vs 14 bit for high iso is a meh and efcs was already the default for me on tripod for landscape. So more dynamic range, 14bit electronic and likely solved much of the leaning trees in electronic.
4k 120fps is great. I won't have to drop to 1080p for slow motion (but I rarely use video).
log 1,2,3 is already there in r5 - does not seem like a big improvement. (and for me colour grading is a pain).
8k raw likely means improved 8k which is good for editing. (but its already good enough for me)
60fps stills - meh for me (20fps already causes culling issues) but why not. Hummingbird shooters will be happy.
So would I be tempted at these specs ?- for me the biggest improvements in order of import are
- AEB in electronic with 14 bit - my most useful item (but I currently solve with EFCS at low ISO) . ***
- Higher dynamic range - useful for dark bears with skies behind but will the improvement be enough to solve dark on bright. Not likely. ***
- Better AF likely - good but R5 is already really good. **
- 4k 120fps - nice but not a big deal. 1080p 120 is good enough really. *
- Meh to the rest.
Hopefully they fix the ergonomics of video menu. There must be a better menu setup where you don't have to change to high frame rate to enable 1080p 120fps.
Hopefully they adopt the mechanical change from video to still and same for c1,c2,c3 - its slow.
Based on the above, I will not likely be lined up for a R5II. The upgrades are desirable but not so overwhelmingly improved that I would be in a hurry. I would rather have an improved r7II (improved af) or r8ii (with 30mpx and still light weight) or r5iii (with 80mpx and no AA) or an r5 firmware update (AEB with electronic enabled like the r8).
Most of the advances seem orientated to video and BIF - which is okay for those groups but not exciting for me.
Are these features causing you to consider upgrade and why?
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Edit copied from below from Action99 - thanks Action99
The above is not correct and not new to R5 II, the current R5 has already 4k 120, it does have also 8k RAW 30fps and it does not have CLog 2 (only 1 and 3).
Current R5 4k 120 is pixel binned if they do oversampling would be a good step forward but then it means that they are able to read 8k at 120 fps..... at the moment only RED Raptors can do this.
CLog 2 would mean that R5 II would have more video DR that is probably the biggest weakness of R5 for video.
Hopefully they will do 8K RAW at 60fps (like the R5c does) but without the need of an external battery.
For video shooter like me if they will offer 8K RAW at 60fps with better RS and DR is a big upgrade.
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Tony Northrup has pointed out that OLED could be brighter and truer colours and might be very useful. But this would not move my dial. Most of my shooting is dusk and dawn and I can see the colours in the sky.
Just adding it as a potential plus to R5II. If you are shooting lots in bright light.
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Latest rumours mid June:
$3999 USD
45mpx
stacked sensor
SD and CFx B card slots
better heat management
beta is out in the wild
likely lots of improvements on a/f, and buffer and clog
[possible a built in ND filter - added]
announcement in July, ship Aug/Sep?
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Jun 24 - Jan - wildlife photographer - says that the R1 and R5II will be announced around July 17, 2024 and ship in September
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July 5th - no new rumours but rumours repeating above mid jun rumours with less about ND and reiterating jul 17 announcement
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July 10th Canon Rumours adds to the above:
New Canon EOS R5 Mark II Information (Unconfirmed)
No blackout during continuous shooting
A better implemented pixel-shift high resolution mode (no details)
“Some” illumination with the buttons
LCD resolution more than doubled
Focus sensitivity of -8EV
Increased battery performance (don't expect a quantum leap here)
Maximum Electronic Shutter Speed “beyond” 1/8000s
Dynamic range claim of 16 stops (claimed vs real world can differ)
Full Size HDMI Port
New “firsts” for Canon in AF algorithms (I'm sure the EOS R1 would also have those firsts and more)
Slightly heavier body (Probably not noticeable)
New IBIS performance modes (No details)
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July 17, 2024
https://petapixel.com/2024/07/17/how-the-canon-eos-r5-ii-compares-to-its-peers-spec-for-spec/
Keeping in mind I am a still landscape and big animal (bear) photographer, with occasional 4k video of my grandson and bears.
$4300
Big Animal:
-30fps electronic - with no 12 bit drop - great on 14 bit and adjustable 20, 15, 10 or 5fps.
- pre burst is improved - not in container - but no ability to set pre burst time - fixed at 0.5s - good for me but will require more culling and bigger card to be useful
- precapture requires more power so older batteries (same form factor) will not be adequate requiring more new batteries - would cost me some money say 5x$100 and obsoletes a bunch of batteries. Newer batteries give higher output but not longer life
- 45mpx / bsi / stacked - delivers much improved rolling shutter but not perfect - good
- sd and cfexpress - type 4? - not - bit improved but not much
[Jan reports - Not much improved buffer based on video above (200craw vs 130 before and possibly stutter after. Was hoping for v4 of Cfexpress (not)] Petapixel says 93 raw on buffer which is perhaps 10% better than r5. Jury is out her for me, if R5ii can improve the 4s buffer clear with my fastest card it could be an improvement but not likely since not v4.
- The variable 30,20,15, 10, 5 should enables better buffer than r5ii - a big improvement.
- eye focus where you look- meh so far to me - my eyes are not that good and I wear glasses
- better features - preprogramming people - for sticky - mostly meh for me because my grandson is 10 months and not into sports yet
- analog switch between video and still - good
- no blackout
Video:
- 8k raw 60/fps - meh to me - if I am slow mo'ing bears I want faster
- optional grips for video to manage heat - meh to me but useful to video centric people
- HDMI full - does not matter to me - meh to me but useful to video people
- Jordan - petal pixel says much improved rolling shutter
- more dynamic range re Clog2
- front light to indicate recording - good for video people but I will tape it over to not be noticeable for my bears
- dual shooting - stills while in video
- good on heating for 2 hours with fan grip
- don't see specifically a 30m + recording but canon propaganda above says 2hour video without overheating which implies >30min
Stills/Landscape:
- 45mpx is okay but not improved from r5 - meh to me
- IBIS 8.5 stops - meh to me, I am either action or tripod and my animals move
- Newer batteries give higher output but not longer life - would cost me 5x$100 negative
- have not seen any reports on better or same dynamic range - am looking
Other:
3 optional grips - just more battery, ethernet grip, or cooling grip - all in the range of $650 use - meh to me
My gut feel right now is:
- Preburst is improved to be useful (not container) but would require $500 in new batteries and a much bigger card and culling - okay you can just leave it on with culling penalty.
- 30 fps is better and worse - better in more options but worse in culling, and 14 bit, but its not clear if you can turn the speed down for culling - I would like 12fps electronic for no noise and culling.
- Negatives of $4300 and $500 for new batteries and would need bigger
- dynamic range - still reading reviews and not sure where this is at
- Rolling shutter is way improved, but this is not a big deal for me in video and stills
- Buffer not much improved as reported yet.
- Analog video vs stills is good
I am not preordering yet. Most of the features added are more for BIF and video. For mostly still photographers, the R5II is not much improved over the already excellent R5 (good news for buying R5).
For video centric shooters, the R5ii is a must have for clog2, heat management with fan grip, and poxy and other features.
For BIF centric shooter, lots of improvements (biggest is much improved rolling shutter, variable fps, electronic, 14 bit electronic and preburst [with culling), improved A/f, it feels like desirable. [14 bit does not matter much at high iso, pre burst will come with lots of work eg 30vs20fps and fixed 0.5s and lots of new batteries]. Most serious BIF people will be highly tempted
So I think in total its not much of an improvement from R5ii for stills --- so if you have lots of Canon lens and are BIF and Video focussed, it will be good for you. For landscape, so far it appears that 5dsr (50mpx, no aa) and R5 (price) are more tempting.
As a Canon captive photographer (enough lens to stay and good enough), I would like Canon to remain #1 in market, so that ancillary are readily available. Perhaps Canon can fix precapture in hardware updates, but why did they not get this right after several years. I think the video capability is going to be very appealing to video people. The R1 has too little mpx to be a serious choice for landscape or cropping.
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[revised - to reflect variable electronic speeds]
Edited on Jul 17, 2024 at 10:15 AM · View previous versions
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Nuff said unless your perceived needs are very specific. 