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At risk of me restarting an existing post - I looked and did not see it.

March 6 https://www.canonrumors.com/canon-eos-r5-mark-ii-specifications/

1) 45mp BSI CMOS Image Sensor (We believe it'll be a stacked design)
2) 3.2″ OLED articulating screen
3) New DIGIC Processor (Name unknown)
4) No mechanical shutter (The source claims that they're pretty sure on this one)
5) Max burst 60fps
6) New AI autofocus features
7) 8K RAW
8) 4K @ 120fps
9) Canon Log 1, 2 & 3

I am largely still photographer and target mostly landscape 40% and large big animals (bears, wolves, moose...) 40% and family pictures of my 6 month old grandson (20% but he's cute enough that a pinhole camera would be fine).

45mpx is okay. I was hoping for 80mpx for landscape but it's okay and will mean I can live with my 2019 computer. An 45mpx out resolves most lens. But I was really hoping for no AA filter to reduce sharpening processes.

BSI, stacked, no mechanical will likely have fast read out speed and better dynamic range - dynamic range will be good for dark animals shooting. The combination of fast read out (stacked) and electronic shutter likely solves the issues with bent trees for BIF people but does nothing for me. I really look forward to all electronic because the electronic was not available with AEB (for landscape) and it implies faster read out speeds and less vibration. It also suggests that they have solved the drop to 12bit from 14 when in electronic. This is good but not that significant because 12 bit vs 14 bit for high iso is a meh and efcs was already the default for me on tripod for landscape. So more dynamic range, 14bit electronic and likely solved much of the leaning trees in electronic.

4k 120fps is great. I won't have to drop to 1080p for slow motion (but I rarely use video).

log 1,2,3 is already there in r5 - does not seem like a big improvement. (and for me colour grading is a pain).

8k raw likely means improved 8k which is good for editing. (but its already good enough for me)

60fps stills - meh for me (20fps already causes culling issues) but why not. Hummingbird shooters will be happy.

So would I be tempted at these specs ?- for me the biggest improvements in order of import are
- AEB in electronic with 14 bit - my most useful item (but I currently solve with EFCS at low ISO) . ***
- Higher dynamic range - useful for dark bears with skies behind but will the improvement be enough to solve dark on bright. Not likely. ***
- Better AF likely - good but R5 is already really good. **

- 4k 120fps - nice but not a big deal. 1080p 120 is good enough really. *
- Meh to the rest.

Hopefully they fix the ergonomics of video menu. There must be a better menu setup where you don't have to change to high frame rate to enable 1080p 120fps.

Hopefully they adopt the mechanical change from video to still and same for c1,c2,c3 - its slow.

Based on the above, I will not likely be lined up for a R5II. The upgrades are desirable but not so overwhelmingly improved that I would be in a hurry. I would rather have an improved r7II (improved af) or r8ii (with 30mpx and still light weight) or r5iii (with 80mpx and no AA) or an r5 firmware update (AEB with electronic enabled like the r8).

Most of the advances seem orientated to video and BIF - which is okay for those groups but not exciting for me.

Are these features causing you to consider upgrade and why?

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Edit copied from below from Action99 - thanks Action99

The above is not correct and not new to R5 II, the current R5 has already 4k 120, it does have also 8k RAW 30fps and it does not have CLog 2 (only 1 and 3).

Current R5 4k 120 is pixel binned if they do oversampling would be a good step forward but then it means that they are able to read 8k at 120 fps..... at the moment only RED Raptors can do this.

CLog 2 would mean that R5 II would have more video DR that is probably the biggest weakness of R5 for video.

Hopefully they will do 8K RAW at 60fps (like the R5c does) but without the need of an external battery.

For video shooter like me if they will offer 8K RAW at 60fps with better RS and DR is a big upgrade.

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Tony Northrup has pointed out that OLED could be brighter and truer colours and might be very useful. But this would not move my dial. Most of my shooting is dusk and dawn and I can see the colours in the sky.

Just adding it as a potential plus to R5II. If you are shooting lots in bright light.


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Scott Stoness wrote:
At risk of me restarting an existing post - I looked and did not see it.

March 6 https://www.canonrumors.com/canon-eos-r5-mark-ii-specifications/

1) 45mp BSI CMOS Image Sensor (We believe it'll be a stacked design)
2) 3.2″ OLED articulating screen
3) New DIGIC Processor (Name unknown)
4) No mechanical shutter (The source claims that they're pretty sure on this one)
5) Max burst 60fps
6) New AI autofocus features
7) 8K RAW
8) 4K @ 120fps
9) Canon Log 1, 2 & 3

I am largely still photographer and target mostly landscape 40% and large big animals (bears, wolves, moose...) 40% and family pictures of my 6 month old grandson (20% but he's
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To answer your basic question, nope, I wouldnít upgrade. Then again, my wish list is largely not in line with what manufacturers seem to focus on (and most people seem to want).



Mar 14, 2024 at 12:20 PM
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This is a super timely thread for me - I'm wondering what I'd be missing if I bought an R5 now. Sounds like not much for my specific needs and use cases.

I am considering picking up an R5 and 10-20 f/4 IS as a supplement to my Sony setup. I'm looking for three core capabilities that Sony seems to lack.
1. Fully articulating rear screen (the A7R5 has one but I don't want to buy one of those);
2. Easy-to-use DoF bracketing at 10FPS for quick capture of wide angle, foreground-heavy landscapes using one hand;
3. Access to a 10mm lens;
4. Coordinated IBIS + Lens IS for more handheld shooting options.

The current R5 is $3000, which is less than adding another Sony camera that I don't even like (I'm an A1 shooter) to the mix. And adding a $2400 10mm wide angle seems like a nice way to get some added capability for less than the price of a (potential) A1 II that solves problems 1-4 above in heaven knows how many months/years.



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My predictions:

A 45mp non-stacked sensor that has a faster readout speed than R5. If stacked, I wonder how much weight and bulk it will add to the body.

As for 4k 120fps, I would think they would be closer to 4k 240fps now, but maybe they can't do that because of heat and will keep that for the R5IIc.

I don't see it being a full 60fps, that's just a short burst number. I would guess the R5II will be bumped up to 30fps from the R5's 20fps. Regardless, it would be nice to have several options to choose from.

R3'ish AF

New video/photo switch to switch back and forth

My wish is for this to have an option to shoot faster than 1fps in interval mode. Something like 5fps would be great. I also hope they give us a way to shut off the proximity sensor. And last, I'm sure they'll give us a fake shutter sound option.



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Arka wrote:
This is a super timely thread for me - I'm wondering what I'd be missing if I bought an R5 now. Sounds like not much for my specific needs and use cases.

I am considering picking up an R5 and 10-20 f/4 IS as a supplement to my Sony setup. I'm looking for three core capabilities that Sony seems to lack.
1. Fully articulating rear screen (the A7R5 has one but I don't want to buy one of those);
2. Easy-to-use DoF bracketing at 10FPS for quick capture of wide angle, foreground-heavy landscapes using one hand;
3. Access to a 10mm lens;
4.
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You can find mint R5's all day long in the 2k range, just keep your eye on the B&S here:
https://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/1849996/0?keyword=R5#16496109



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Scott Stoness wrote:
At risk of me restarting an existing post - I looked and did not see it.

March 6 https://www.canonrumors.com/canon-eos-r5-mark-ii-specifications/

1) 45mp BSI CMOS Image Sensor (We believe it'll be a stacked design)
2) 3.2″ OLED articulating screen
3) New DIGIC Processor (Name unknown)
4) No mechanical shutter (The source claims that they're pretty sure on this one)
5) Max burst 60fps
6) New AI autofocus features
7) 8K RAW
8) 4K @ 120fps
9) Canon Log 1, 2 & 3

Are these features causing you to consider upgrade and why?


I would need to see the finals specs on deciding if I need to upgrade my R5. 4,6,7,8 most interest me. Disappointed remaining 45mp.

On the other hand I have been pondering a 2nd body the current price on the R5 and R5C are attractive. With a 2nd body I could mount one of my big whites and not need to swap in and out. At the same time I want to get back into video.

The R5C as a 2nd body would give me a more video options but at the same time I would use it for still and no image stabilization is a negative.

Though the amount of video I might shoot I don't know if the R5C is ideal and maybe the R5II added video features may be suffice.

As to a 2nd body I am wait and see. Hopefully the R5 and R5C pricing will remain in effect until after the announcement of the R5 II and then I can decide which best suits my needs R5,R5C or R5 II.



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I hope it won't go the R1 road and 2 years later we will still wonder what's going on with the new R5II.


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Uarctos wrote:
I hope it won't go the R1 road and 2 years later we will still wonder what's going on with the new R5II.


The ole' R5 will be 4yrs old this July, it's due for an update. With that said, it still does very well for 95% of my shooting needs.



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Arka wrote:
This is a super timely thread for me - I'm wondering what I'd be missing if I bought an R5 now. Sounds like not much for my specific needs and use cases.

I am considering picking up an R5 and 10-20 f/4 IS as a supplement to my Sony setup. I'm looking for three core capabilities that Sony seems to lack.
1. Fully articulating rear screen (the A7R5 has one but I don't want to buy one of those);
2. Easy-to-use DoF bracketing at 10FPS for quick capture of wide angle, foreground-heavy landscapes using one hand;
3. Access to a 10mm lens;
4.
...Show more

The current r5:
1) Articulating rear screen - its pretty good
2) DOF bracketing works well at 20fps and if you use it a lot its good but still suffers from processing times (unless you get the camera to auto make a jpg) and a bit awkward in menu setting.
3) The laowa 10/2.8 are readily available for either Sony or Canon. The Sony has auto focus on 10mm laowa 10/2.8. Wheres the canon does not. The 10-20 f4 is quite heavy for handheld. I like the lighter Sony 12-24 much better.
4) IBIS/IS combination works well in canon with RF lens but not with EF lens but it's still pretty good based on IS.

So if you are just getting for focus stacking, the r5 or r5ii is marginally better (articulating screen) or worse than the Sony (heavier). Why bother for marginal difference. Although the articulating screen is a big deal for focus stacking, the grass always looks greener on the other side of the fence. [I bought the r8 and have been really impressed by it for only $1500 albeit without IBIS and only 24mpx]

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artsupreme wrote:
My predictions:

A 45mp non-stacked sensor that has a faster readout speed than R5. If stacked, I wonder how much weight and bulk it will add to the body.

As for 4k 120fps, I would think they would be closer to 4k 240fps now, but maybe they can't do that because of heat and will keep that for the R5IIc.

I don't see it being a full 60fps, that's just a short burst number. I would guess the R5II will be bumped up to 30fps from the R5's 20fps. Regardless, it would be nice to have several options to choose from.

R3'ish AF

New video/photo
...Show more

I thought there was an option on r5 to select either lcd or viewfinder or auto (proximity sensor). You are referring to the screen going away when you move in to pixel peep on the screen?



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I thought there was an option on r5 to select either lcd or viewfinder or auto (proximity sensor). You are referring to the screen going away when you move in to pixel peep on the screen?


It's for use in a water housing when the sensor is up against plexiglass and I need as much battery life as possible. Black tape is my workaround for now:

https://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/1749765



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Whereas:

the R5 is the high-resolution successor to the 5Ds/5DsR, whose chief virtue was the highest sFF sensor resolution, and

the R5ís 45MP sensor, while excellent in many other ways, as a minor backwards step in resolution, and

competitors are already marketing FF cameras with higher resolution than the 50MP 5Ds/5DsR and the R5 and have been for some time, and

competitors near-future updates are certain to retain those higher sensor resolutions or even push them further, and

even higher resolutions are now available from cameras like the Fujifilm GFX series, and

the other non-sensor advances will certainly appear in other Canon cameras that donít have the same claim to highest possible resolution,

Resolved,

Canon is likely to lose its leadership (or not regain it?) among photographers doing work in which high resolution is important, and

Regardless of the claim/hope that ď45MP s plenty,Ē this disadvantage will weaken Canonís market position further.

- - -

Rather than upgrade my 5DsR, which still works great, to the R5 ó whose pluses are real but not compelling to me ó Iíve been holding out for a higher MP R5II but also considering the competition from Sony and even Fujifilm. If I moved to the R system I would move to RF lenses, too, so the advantage of sticking with Canon and continuing to use the older EF lenses is minimal. A low-MP R5II would most likely push me to move to a different brand.

YMMV.



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gdanmitchell wrote:
Whereas:

the R5 is the high-resolution successor to the 5Ds/5DsR, whose chief virtue was the highest sFF sensor resolution, and

the R5ís 45MP sensor, while excellent in many other ways, as a minor backwards step in resolution, and

competitors are already marketing FF cameras with higher resolution than the 50MP 5Ds/5DsR and the R5 and have been for some time, and

competitors near-future updates are certain to retain those higher sensor resolutions or even push them further, and

even higher resolutions are now available from cameras like the Fujifilm GFX series, and

the other non-sensor advances will certainly appear in other Canon cameras
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I agree Canon has left the high MP crowd out to dry unless they release another body that has 61MP+ soon. The high MP crowd doesn't need much in terms of fps/AF/etc, they just want a nice high MP sensor to work with. Maybe Canon surprises everyone with a high MP R5r this year? We'll see.



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The R6 to R6ii was a very nice AF upgrade so I expect the R5ii to follow. Honestly I'm hoping the AF is near or better than the R3 and replace it. The R3 does most things good but satisfaction wise it's blah for me.


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I'd rather have a super fast readout on a 45mp body then a 100mp sensor with rolling shutter or the extra expense of a stacked sensor.
I suspect Canon will be using the R5II to demonstrate to the world that a stacked sensor or global shutter isn't needed to essentially make rolling shutter a thing of the past.
The original R5 was almost there already so it'll happen this time around.

The higher mp R5 will arrive with the R5III. Which is perfectly fine by me as I plan on skipping one generation anyhow. If I can't take good pics with my R5 now then I should give up the hobby and switch over to doing needle point or something.



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lighthound wrote:
I'd rather have a super fast readout on a 45mp body then a 100mp sensor with rolling shutter or the extra expense of a stacked sensor.
I suspect Canon will be using the R5II to demonstrate to the world that a stacked sensor or global shutter isn't needed to essentially make rolling shutter a thing of the past.
The original R5 was almost there already so it'll happen this time around.

The higher mp R5 will arrive with the R5III. Which is perfectly fine by me as I plan on skipping one generation anyhow. If I can't take good pics with my
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Well, if fast readout is your thing, there will be lower MP bodies that provide that and which are geared to subject requiring speed in all ways.

But for most of us who do want the higher MP cameras ó with good reason ó aren't impressed by another camera with the lowered 45MP sensor when other companies are producing excellent cameras with higher MP resolution.

Waiting for a R5 isn't very attractive to me. When the R5 was introduced, we all believed that its R5II successor would have higher resolution, especially when its existing competition already does. So I've already been waiting for the R5II that apparently won't accomplish that. At some point, waiting for Canon becomes unattractive. In order to get the same or higher resolution that I have in my current camera I would have skipped the R5 (and I don't mind skipping a generation) and the R5II, while hoping for something with higher MP at some unknown future date.

As I wrote elsewhere, this would likely move me off the Canon platform. Since I'd almost certainly be upgrading my lenses to RR from my current EF gear if I did move to some other Canon mirrorless body, the cost advantage of sticking with Canon is virtually gone. At that point I'm more free to look at some of the excellent competition.

I think that Canon may be ceding a portion of their market if they go with the same resolution on the R5II. That is, of course, their right... but it won't be without repercussions.



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gdanmitchell wrote:
Whereas:

the R5 is the high-resolution successor to the 5Ds/5DsR, whose chief virtue was the highest sFF sensor resolution, and

the R5ís 45MP sensor, while excellent in many other ways, as a minor backwards step in resolution, and

competitors are already marketing FF cameras with higher resolution than the 50MP 5Ds/5DsR and the R5 and have been for some time, and

competitors near-future updates are certain to retain those higher sensor resolutions or even push them further, and

even higher resolutions are now available from cameras like the Fujifilm GFX series, and

the other non-sensor advances will certainly appear in other Canon cameras
...Show more

While I also would like >=80mpx (and no AA) for landscape, I bought the r5 and sold my 5dsr (because I stopped using it after r5) because:
- there really is not a big difference after 45mpx - lots of lens/systems are lens limited, vibration deflates more mpx, and to get a noticeable increase (33%?) you really need 80mpx or more if you have superior glass. eg. Sony/Nikon 60mpx only delivers about 15% more resolution which is not overly noticeable to most people and not practically any different than 45mpx with most lens. Not to mention that high pixel density causes defraction at ever lower fstops that diminishes the effectiveness of 80mpx at f8/f11.
- and for most users AF/FPS/Video/dynamic range are more important than 33% increase in resolution because they are just displaying at the equivalent of 12mpx (4k) or 40mpx (8k) on the internet.
- and for me - split between landscape and big not overly mobile animals - the features of r5 (4k video of big animals, access to 14 fps or 20fps, and eye focus, and a bit more dynamic range) are sufficient to keep me in the canon camp with my 600/f4v2 and 200-400f4 (which are still state of the art lens that are bought and paid for but canon) for my wildlife.

Which leaves you and I (landscape focussed people but me willing to have a separate body for landscape) frustrated by Sony, Nikon and Canon - who continue to wage war on autofocus, fps, global shutter, and video features - instead of resolution.

Hopefully Sony will realize there is an opportunity to scoop the landscape focussed market with a 100mpx, no AA, weighing 450 grams - without any video or wildlife features. That that kick Canon in the competitive pants to get going.But maybe that market (100% landscape focus) is too small.

If I were to buy another system it would be fuji medium format but then I would need a sherpa to wheel my money into Fuji and carry the lens and bodies around.



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Agree with G Dan on this one, especially with the rumored news that the R1 will be yet another low-MP camera instead of what many believed would be a high-MP jack-of-all trades. Sure, the 1 line has always been sports-oriented with Canon, but they did that with the R3 this time. With Sony and Nikon both going high-MP jack-of-all-trades flagships, most people have been expecting Canon would do the same after stalling the R1 rollout for many years, assuming they would bring the goods.

If the R1 is only 30 MP, as reported, and the R5 is only 45 MP, then Canon has really lost the plot here, IMO. The R1 and R3 will both be sports-oriented cameras when everyone else is doing high-MP and high-speed for their flagships (Canon won't even have a camera for this market), and the R5 line will no longer be high-MP option for those who need it.



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I'm fine with the 45-50MP resolution I've had from my landscape bodies. I also recognize that a significant increase (and likely more than the lenses can resolve) would be needed to make a noticeable difference in what I can do with my files.

That said, I would have absolutely no reason to spend thousands to get an R5ii at the same resolution I have now. Canon is giving me no reason to even think about it. My wallet thanks them.



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lighthound wrote:
If I can't take good pics with my R5 now then I should give up the hobby and switch over to doing needle point or something.


Nuff said unless your perceived needs are very specific.



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