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p.1 #1 · p.1 #1 · pink scratch/line on Z9 images

Hi all,

I have a pink squiggle appearing on my images. I'm wondering if it's an electrical issue, because I don't see anything on the sensor under the Arctic Butterfly light, and have done numerous blower bulb cleans and one wet cleaning. It's the same at all apertures and different lenses. Again, I don't see a scratch or any anomaly on the sensor, so I'm wondering if it's a mirrorless glitch or something. Please see attached images, full and zoomed. Thank you for any help!

Mar 12, 2024 at 06:23 PM

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p.1 #2 · p.1 #2 · pink scratch/line on Z9 images

I cant say for sure, but it looks like it could be laser damage. Have you photographed near lasers with your Z9? Lidar systems can also have lasers that are invisible and harmless to humans but can damage camera sensors.

Mar 12, 2024 at 06:35 PM

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p.1 #3 · p.1 #3 · pink scratch/line on Z9 images

Looks like a sensor damage indeed. Probably color filter array. Won't be cheap to repair.

Mar 12, 2024 at 10:43 PM

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p.1 #4 · p.1 #4 · pink scratch/line on Z9 images

Ummmm yep. These. Damn.

Mar 12, 2024 at 11:00 PM

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p.1 #5 · p.1 #5 · pink scratch/line on Z9 images

How not cheap, you think?

Mar 12, 2024 at 11:09 PM

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p.1 #6 · p.1 #6 · pink scratch/line on Z9 images

No experience with sensor replacement, but IMO ballpark with Nikon for any substantial repair is $400-$1200. I'd expect toward the upper end. The last time I used it, Nikon's online repair site spit out an estimate (flat rate system, I assume) after I entered the lens type and repair category; maybe it does that with bodies as well?

Mar 13, 2024 at 02:33 AM

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p.1 #7 · p.1 #7 · pink scratch/line on Z9 images

fenlonphoto wrote:
How not cheap, you think?

I'm curious to hear what Nikon will quote you for the replacement of the stacked sensor tbh.

Mar 13, 2024 at 10:13 AM

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DWOfPaul wrote:
I cant say for sure, but it looks like it could be laser damage. Have you photographed near lasers with your Z9? Lidar systems can also have lasers that are invisible and harmless to humans but can damage camera sensors.

Wow thanks for that info, never knew this! How do you know which ones are bad for the camera, if you know! Thank you!!

Mar 13, 2024 at 11:28 AM

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George DeCamp wrote:
Wow thanks for that info, never knew this! How do you know which ones are bad for the camera, if you know! Thank you!!

You'r welcome. I think pretty much all lasers have the potential to damage an image sensor. My understanding is it's a factor of time and power. So if a weaker laser exposes for a longer time in the same spot it can cause the same issue as a stronger laser in a quicker duration.

You may be able to protect your camera from invisible lasers using special filters, but my understanding is you can't protect a camera from visible lasers without affecting image quality, since it's in the visible spectrum.

Do be carful if you photographing shows that your not putting your self in harms way along with the camera. In the photo posted above you can see the lasers are aimed above the crowed. If your standing on an elevated platform and have lasers hitting you it's possible to do damage to your eyes, which would be much worse then damaging your camera.

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Mar 13, 2024 at 12:46 PM

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DWOfPaul wrote:
You'r welcome. I think pretty much all lasers have the potential to damage an image sensor. My understanding is it's a factor of time and power. So if a weaker laser exposes for a longer time in the same spot it can cause the same issue as a stronger laser in a quicker duration.

You may be able to protect your camera from invisible lasers using filters, but my understanding is you can't protect a camera from visible lasers without affecting image quality, since it's in the visible spectrum.

Do be carful if you photographing shows that your not putting...Show more →

Thank you for this info! It wasn't me who took the above image but I've done it many times in the past and never realized this could happen, again much appreciated!

Mar 13, 2024 at 12:49 PM

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p.1 #11 · p.1 #11 · pink scratch/line on Z9 images

there are plenty of yt videos showing real-time damages from these on-stage lasers.

Mar 13, 2024 at 03:33 PM

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p.1 #12 · p.1 #12 · pink scratch/line on Z9 images

More info on what not to take pictures of.

https://petapixel.com/2023/05/03/smartphone-camera-destroyed-by-laser-beam-during-concert/

Mar 13, 2024 at 05:58 PM

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p.1 #13 · p.1 #13 · pink scratch/line on Z9 images

Are these lasers that destroy cameras eye-safe?

Mar 14, 2024 at 06:38 AM

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coralnut wrote:
Are these lasers that destroy cameras eye-safe?

Some are (all within the assumed duration of expoure).

Long answer can be found here: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6749343/

Mar 14, 2024 at 06:47 AM

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coralnut wrote:
Are these lasers that destroy cameras eye-safe?

No. It's actually a very important part of rigging to make sure the higher powered lasers don't intersect with the crowd - can cause massive damage and in fact has when not rigged professionally.

You'll notice in the OP's example that the lasers are pointed above the crowd with smaller green normal lights for accenting the band/crowd. Likely OP got the camera up higher to photograph better and ran into the path of a lasers.

OP I'd suspect you're looking well north of the $1200 mentioned in this thread - only way to know is to send it to Nikon. It might better to look at used/refurbished Z9s

Mar 14, 2024 at 06:50 AM

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BPsmith511 wrote:
No. It's actually a very important part of rigging to make sure the higher powered lasers don't intersect with the crowd - can cause massive damage and in fact has when not rigged professionally.

You'll notice in the OP's example that the lasers are pointed above the crowd with smaller green normal lights for accenting the band/crowd. Likely OP got the camera up higher to photograph better and ran into the path of a lasers.

OP I'd suspect you're looking well north of the $1200 mentioned in this thread - only way to know is to send it to Nikon. It...Show more →

The lasers shown in this thread are probably not eye-safe.

However, even lasers that are considered to be safe for the human eye can cause damage to camera sensors.

Mar 14, 2024 at 07:33 AM

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p.1 #17 · p.1 #17 · pink scratch/line on Z9 images

Yes these lasers are neither eye nor sensor-safe. It was a known risk and I pushed it. I emailed Nikon and here's the response:

"Thank you for your inquiry regarding an estimate for repair on your Z 9. Depending on how the order is entered, it could be $579.55 at the high end. The reason I say depending on how it's entered is, because the estimate I provided you was for impact damage. I understand you said the damage was due to a laser. While the cost could certainly be lower, this quote would cover impact damage. If you have any questions, please let me know."

I really have no idea what that means, but I'll take $579! I'll update this once I send it in.

Mar 14, 2024 at 06:04 PM

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p.1 #18 · p.1 #18 · pink scratch/line on Z9 images

fenlonphoto wrote:
Yes these lasers are neither eye nor sensor-safe. It was a known risk and I pushed it. I emailed Nikon and here's the response:

"Thank you for your inquiry regarding an estimate for repair on your Z 9. Depending on how the order is entered, it could be $579.55 at the high end. The reason I say depending on how it's entered is, because the estimate I provided you was for impact damage. I understand you said the damage was due to a laser. While the cost could certainly be lower, this quote would cover impact damage. If you have any...Show more →

Maybe because how the damage occured will determine whether they must replace the whole sensor, or just the cover glass?

Mar 14, 2024 at 06:19 PM

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fenlonphoto wrote:
Yes these lasers are neither eye nor sensor-safe. It was a known risk and I pushed it. I emailed Nikon and here's the response:

"Thank you for your inquiry regarding an estimate for repair on your Z 9. Depending on how the order is entered, it could be $579.55 at the high end. The reason I say depending on how it's entered is, because the estimate I provided you was for impact damage. I understand you said the damage was due to a laser. While the cost could certainly be lower, this quote would cover impact damage. If you have any...Show more →

That is a great deal to fix sensor damage. Generally found that NPS repair is better than CPS - had some headaches having to send things back that weren't fixed properly last time with CPS.

Also, I've never seen the artifacts of laser damage before like that. That's crazy!

Mar 15, 2024 at 11:36 AM

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p.1 #20 · p.1 #20 · pink scratch/line on Z9 images

Whoa, had no idea about this. Thanks for the heads up and sorry to the OP.

Not trying to be funny here, but maybe shoot film if you want the laser to hit the image? Or can this bugger up a Nikon F6 or F3 as well?

Mar 15, 2024 at 01:29 PM

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