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For quick full-frame shooting, which camera and how to set it up?

  
 
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p.1 #1 · p.1 #1 · For quick full-frame shooting, which camera and how to set it up?



Which full-frame camera bodies are the quickest to take a picture from an already powered-on state and how should a camera be set up to shoot as quickly as possible? The following is my attempt at an answer to these questions, but it is offered very tentatively and with a welcome to amendment or correction.

The components of greater or lesser quickness from a powered-on state seem to be 1) autofocus speed, 2) autoexposure speed, and 3) shutter lag. For multi-shot bursts, buffering speed would also be important.

According to a Wikipedia article on shutter lag, among the digital cameras (excluding film cameras), Sony cameras have the least shutter lag of the major full-frame brands, including Canon, Nikon, and Leica.

Sony 7 series cameras do very well post the original A7, which was slow. The A9xx and A1 bodies are not listed, but one would expect them to do at least as well as the A7xx series bodies since they are optimized for a high frame rate. Much of the data in the article is cited as coming from testing by Imaging Resource. Not all cameras from the four major full-frame brands are listed, with the most recent cameras absent from all brands.

How should a camera be set up for the quickest shooting? I think the short answer to this question is: Make the camera operate as manually as possible and preset it as much as possible. Each auto-function that is turned off saves the camera time. Of course, unless one is preset, turning these auto-functions off may require the photographer to take even more time to get the settings right.

To the extent that one can preset exposure in a given situation, one can save the camera time by operating in fully manual exposure mode or perhaps manual + auto-ISO mode. Switching to manual focus and presetting a zone of focus with an aperture suitable for adequate depth of field can save the camera time on autofocusing. I think that if one sets shooting priority in the menu to "Release" rather than "Focus," one should be able to not shift to manual focusing and to use or not use autofocus as each shot might require. Setting the autofocus area to a small or medium spot and turning off eye-priority and face-priority should also save the camera some time.

If one does not want to give up all these excellent auto-functions in order to pick up a few milliseconds, then the question becomes: Which cameras are fastest to shoot with all their auto-functions turned on? My bets would be on the A1, A9xx series, and the Nikon Z8.

Does the above seem right?



Mar 02, 2024 at 08:14 AM
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p.1 #2 · p.1 #2 · For quick full-frame shooting, which camera and how to set it up?


chiron wrote:
Which full-frame camera bodies are the quickest to take a picture from an already powered-on state and how should a camera be set up to shoot as quickly as possible? The following is my attempt at an answer to these questions, but it is offered very tentatively and with a welcome to amendment or correction.

The components of greater or lesser quickness from a powered-on state seem to be 1) autofocus speed, 2) autoexposure speed, and 3) shutter lag. For multi-shot bursts, buffering speed would also be important.

According to a Wikipedia article on shutter lag, among the digital cameras (excluding film
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I agree with you. Of course I have the A1 and the Z8. I no longer have Olympus or Fuji.



Mar 02, 2024 at 08:19 AM
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p.1 #3 · p.1 #3 · For quick full-frame shooting, which camera and how to set it up?


Is the camera already "on" the scene or is it in your hand by your side (for eg). If already on the scene then I'd think the A93 or any camera that has pre-burst capability will be the body to go for.

If the camera is idle, not on the scene but on, then maybe pre-burst doesn't help. So which of the 3 criteria is the long pole? I would imagine acquiring focus and from what I'd been reading, again the A93 is the current champ, eking performance from the A1. I don't know Nikon.



Mar 02, 2024 at 08:29 AM
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p.1 #4 · p.1 #4 · For quick full-frame shooting, which camera and how to set it up?


mcbroomf wrote:
Is the camera already "on" the scene or is it in your hand by your side (for eg). If already on the scene then I'd think the A93 or any camera that has pre-burst capability will be the body to go for.

If the camera is idle, not on the scene but on, then maybe pre-burst doesn't help. So which of the 3 criteria is the long pole? I would imagine acquiring focus and from what I'd been reading, again the A93 is the current champ, eking performance from the A1. I don't know Nikon.


Z8 has pre-capture. The other consideration is what you are shooting. I don’t think A9iii will sell much to portrait, landscape and many wildlife shooters. It is optimal to certain sports shooters.



Mar 02, 2024 at 09:26 AM
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p.1 #5 · p.1 #5 · For quick full-frame shooting, which camera and how to set it up?


mcbroomf wrote:
Is the camera already "on" the scene or is it in your hand by your side (for eg). If already on the scene then I'd think the A93 or any camera that has pre-burst capability will be the body to go for.

If the camera is idle, not on the scene but on, then maybe pre-burst doesn't help. So which of the 3 criteria is the long pole? I would imagine acquiring focus and from what I'd been reading, again the A93 is the current champ, eking performance from the A1. I don't know Nikon.


Yes, good question. I was thinking the camera is in hand by your side. Pre-burst would certainly be useful once the camera was on the scene.

But I agree with Laslo that the A93 is not going to appeal to many people other than sports shooters or BIF folk. Not the right choice for portraits or the usual street/documentary/candids applications that are what I really am thinking about.

The next iteration of the A1 should have pre-burst and as Laslo points out the Z8 already does.



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p.1 #6 · p.1 #6 · For quick full-frame shooting, which camera and how to set it up?


Got it .. you had mentioned the A7 and A9 series so I thought you were interested in any/all, or maybe this was just an intellectual exercise. I agree that an A2 might fit the bill if you can wait and an A1 a good stand-in for the moment if needed.


Mar 02, 2024 at 12:38 PM
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p.1 #7 · p.1 #7 · For quick full-frame shooting, which camera and how to set it up?


I think for me getting the image composed and the camera stable will take longer than anything the camera is doing. With the Sony linear motors I rarely see where the focus wasn't ready, sometime it may be on the wrong subject, but not focused on nothing. setting iso or shutter speed seems near instantaneous. I have seen some difference in shutter release between release priority and focus priority, mostly in lenses without linear motors.

Looking at some of the classic streets photos I'm not sure you need focus, correct exposure, or even framing and lack of motion blur.



Mar 02, 2024 at 01:43 PM
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p.1 #8 · p.1 #8 · For quick full-frame shooting, which camera and how to set it up?


I tried a Mavica many years ago. It had almost 1 second shutter delay. It totally soured me on digital for many years.


Mar 02, 2024 at 03:26 PM
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p.1 #9 · p.1 #9 · For quick full-frame shooting, which camera and how to set it up?


I don't think anyone is going to notice the milliseconds saved by disabling certain automated features on any camera. I also don't think you can notice if one camera is faster than another per se. Not sure why I also turn my camera to the off position when i am not composing. I wish I would just let it alone and let it go to sleep on its own. Maybe something to work on. Either way, by the time I turn it on, put it to my face and compose, the camera is more than ready to do anything I need.



Mar 02, 2024 at 03:34 PM







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