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p.1 #1 · p.1 #1 · RF lens recommendation for astro


Folks,
Any lens recommendations for astro for my R6
The only option i came across so far is the 16 2.8 STM




Feb 27, 2024 at 04:25 PM
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p.1 #2 · p.1 #2 · RF lens recommendation for astro


What is your budget and what in particular are you trying to shoot, galaxies, constellations, milky way, nebula? I have used the 15-35 f2.8, 16mm f2.8 and 14-35 f4 for astro. I find they all perform well. A lot of people will tell you that you need faster than f4 for astro and I am here to tell you that it depends on a lot of things. If you are in a dark place then to me going from f4 to 2.8 wont make as big a difference as getting a star tracker. A star tracker is a game changer. If you have a tight budget get a 300 dollar star tracker and the 16mm f2.8 and you will get killer shots. if you can afford more then still get a star tracker and a 14-35 f4, and even bigger budget 15-35 but still a tracker.


Feb 27, 2024 at 05:03 PM
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p.1 #3 · p.1 #3 · RF lens recommendation for astro


A star tracker will obviate the ills of most any lens... if you have the time and inclination. The questions posed above by draacor are apt; without knowing more about your needs/wants, it's hard to say. That said, the RF85/1.2 is the best astro lens that Canon makes for the R-mount, but only if that's the focal length you need. The Sigma Art line generally performs better than most OEM lenses (particularly the 14, 28, 40 and 105mm), and you'd obviously need an adapter, another contentious issue in itself (I use one often).


Feb 27, 2024 at 05:25 PM
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p.1 #4 · p.1 #4 · RF lens recommendation for astro


Orrr...you can be like me and use both a fast lens AND a tracker lol.

Personally I do still advocate a fast lens even with a tracker if you can swing it; the faster you can get your exposure done the less chance something goes wrong and also less noise, less need for accurate polar alignment as well.

But yes OP needs to specify the kind of astro they want to shoot.

Does it have to be RF? There are a number of amazing EF Sigma Art lenses that outperforms RF lenses when it comes to astro use. Another problem with a lot of the RF lenses is apparently they use some internal IR light to aid focusing and may show up in longer exposures and particularlt so if your camera is modified.




Feb 27, 2024 at 05:39 PM
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p.1 #5 · p.1 #5 · RF lens recommendation for astro


I started astrophotography with deep space objects and goto mount with astro computer, auto guiding, the works. The first thing you need to ask yourself what kind of astro do you want to do because that will determine what gear you need.

Deep Space Object Astro
Divided into two categories:
Wide field - between 150-300mm focal length
Narrow field - 300+

While you can use a normal telephoto prime for wide field I would just recommend a wide field astrograph. Something like a william optics redcat 51. It is shaped and functions like a normal lens just full manual. The main difference is it will be corrected for a flat field and comes with a built-in bahtinov mask so you can get pin point focus on the stars.

Narrow field requires a high power telescope and a goto mount with auto guiding with astro computer with plate solving for pin point accuracy.


Standard landscape astrophotography
Wide prime like a 20mm that is preferably fast. If you want to get into longer exposures then you need a star tracker which can be had for a couple hundred.



Feb 27, 2024 at 05:48 PM
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p.1 #6 · p.1 #6 · RF lens recommendation for astro


You may want to look into adapted EF lenses.

The RF 16 is amazing given its size, weight, and price, but it does have significant CA and distortion, both of which require digital corrections. I also suspect peripheral coma wide open will not be great (check reviews). If so, it may not be ideal for this.



Feb 28, 2024 at 12:04 AM
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p.1 #7 · p.1 #7 · RF lens recommendation for astro


Appreciate all the detailed responses. Was planning to travel on a photo workshop where there are plans for some landscape milky way images (like a tree in the foreground and milky way in the background)
Honestly don't think I'll have the space to carry a tracker

My plan is to take some blue hour shots of the foreground and then blend those with the milky way (likely will use stacking for the milky way images to reduce noise)
I am hoping a manual lens like the rokinon 14 mm will be good enough for something like this. Do u guys recommend the EF version of this lens? I noticed some users complaining about issues with the RF version



Feb 28, 2024 at 12:59 PM
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p.1 #8 · p.1 #8 · RF lens recommendation for astro


I've got the EF 14mm from Rokinon. Manual focus, but with the aperture reporting chip in it. Its got a good amount of Coma and field curvature wide open. Gets better as you stop down, and the really horrendous parts are cut off if you use APSc. If you're doing landscapes that are that wide and don't plan to pixel peep the stars, you may not even notice.

I just got the Canon RF 24mm 1.8, but haven't tried it for Astro yet.




Feb 28, 2024 at 01:39 PM
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p.1 #9 · p.1 #9 · RF lens recommendation for astro


how much astro are you planning to do? getting a fast lens is cheaper than a lens and a tracker. If this is a possible one-off, then rent a faster lens and study up ahead of time and get yourself a solid tripod and a dark skies map. If it's a new area you plan to spend more time on, then a tracker might be the way to go. Just remember there's a lot of setup with trackers, it's not just show up and push a button.


Feb 28, 2024 at 02:00 PM
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p.1 #10 · p.1 #10 · RF lens recommendation for astro


Even with a relatively fast wide lens, you will still really appreciate a tracker. That said, if you are looking for a good wide lens for astro, one good option is the Rokinon SP 14mm f/2.4. Far superior to the Roki 14/2.8. Another interesting option is the Sigma 20/1.4 Art.
Both of these lenses are EF-mount, and so need to be adapted.



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p.1 #11 · p.1 #11 · RF lens recommendation for astro


kirbic wrote:
Even with a relatively fast wide lens, you will still really appreciate a tracker. That said, if you are looking for a good wide lens for astro, one good option is the Rokinon SP 14mm f/2.4. Far superior to the Roki 14/2.8. Another interesting option is the Sigma 20/1.4 Art.


It was indeed interesting enough to try... and then return due to the marginal corners. 28/1.4 Art is the lowest I'd go.



Feb 28, 2024 at 11:33 PM
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Jeff wrote:
It was indeed interesting enough to try... and then return due to the marginal corners. 28/1.4 Art is the lowest I'd go.


Certainly not going to shoot the 20/1.4 Art at f/1.4 - yes, the corners get a bit bad. I have found, however, that by f/2 things are pretty good, and a 20mm f/2 astro lens is something that we could only dream about just a decade or so ago.




Feb 29, 2024 at 09:01 AM
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So between the sigma 20 1.4 and the rokinon 14 2.4, which one would u guys opt for? From what i gather, we wouldn't shoot with either lens at its widest aperture. So that means maybe 20 f2 for sigma and 14 f2.8 in case of the rokinon?
Does the infinity marking on the rokinon actually mean infinity or do u still need to adjust focus. Also, once u know what the infinity setting is, can i add some kind of tape or marker on the lens so that in the field i can quickly adjust focus ring without having to really focus?



Feb 29, 2024 at 01:51 PM
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atandon wrote:
So between the sigma 20 1.4 and the rokinon 14 2.4, which one would u guys opt for? From what i gather, we wouldn't shoot with either lens at its widest aperture. So that means maybe 20 f2 for sigma and 14 f2.8 in case of the rokinon?
Does the infinity marking on the rokinon actually mean infinity or do u still need to adjust focus. Also, once u know what the infinity setting is, can i add some kind of tape or marker on the lens so that in the field i can quickly adjust focus ring without having
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I would go for the Roki (full disclosure, I have both). Best practice on focus is to use magnification on the LCD screen to optimize focus. I would not rely on any infinity marker, nor any mark I added myself. Also, make sure that your lens is relatively well equilibrated to the shooting environment, as temperature changes can affect performance, including focus.




Feb 29, 2024 at 03:05 PM
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p.1 #15 · p.1 #15 · RF lens recommendation for astro


atandon wrote:
So between the sigma 20 1.4 and the rokinon 14 2.4, which one would u guys opt for? From what i gather, we wouldn't shoot with either lens at its widest aperture. So that means maybe 20 f2 for sigma and 14 f2.8 in case of the rokinon?
Does the infinity marking on the rokinon actually mean infinity or do u still need to adjust focus. Also, once u know what the infinity setting is, can i add some kind of tape or marker on the lens so that in the field i can quickly adjust focus ring without having
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The Sigma 14mm F1.8 DG HSM | Art is the cream of the crop for ultra wide angle astro. It's also a lot more expensive than the Rokinon, but there is a LOT less copy variability. You might get a great rokinon, or you might get a garbage one. I tried several ultra wide angle astro setups and settled on the Sigma 14mm. It's just so great at what it does, and it doubles as a great ultrawide landscape lens in the daytime.

As an aside, I haven't used mine in a long time. If you're interested in an excellent used copy, send me a message.

Sigma 14mm F1.8 DG HSM | Art



Feb 29, 2024 at 03:11 PM
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Jeff wrote:
It was indeed interesting enough to try... and then return due to the marginal corners. 28/1.4 Art is the lowest I'd go.

kirbic wrote:
Certainly not going to shoot the 20/1.4 Art at f/1.4 - yes, the corners get a bit bad. I have found, however, that by f/2 things are pretty good, and a 20mm f/2 astro lens is something that we could only dream about just a decade or so ago.


I did not find it pretty good (nor even OK) at f/2, which was the problem (most 'astro' lenses need to be stopped down to at least ~f/1.8 or so to get adequate corners). I found it clears up around f/2.5, at which point it had virtually zero value over just using the Tamron 15-30/2.8, which is actually quite a good lens and can be used wide open, as well as giving additional flexibility for composition. Of course, the 20 Art is otherwise a great lens.

Perhaps I got a bad one, but I did subsequently also try the 24 Art and returned both for the same reason(s); unfortunate because either could be a useful lens. I'm pretty far down the rabbit hole of these kinds of lenses, though, so my expectations are quite high in regard to corners. Since getting a tracker I really only use anything less than 28mm for timelapses, and almost always choose the lens based upon how much time I have to capture a scene before I need to move on for a variety of reasons (e.g. to capture a different scene, timing of an astro event, incoming clouds/weather, impending dawn/moonrise, etc.).

Sigma's 20, 24 and 85 can be made better if Sigma so chooses (mostly by increasing size of the lens; 85 would just need an optical re-design/tweak). I actually find it quite amusing that Canon is finally, after all these years, following Sigma's lead and starting to produce lenses that can be used for serious astro. The amusing part is, after migrating to the R platform which promised more compact cameras and lenses, they flout the trend and produce beasts like the RF85/1.2 (a positively stellar lens) and RF28-70/2 (can't speak to it for astro, was probably designed for video). I really hope they continue the trend with a 35 or 28/1.2 (!), as well as a 16 or 20/1.4 lens. I won't hold my breath, but I bet they come out with something usable in that range in the next year or two.



Mar 02, 2024 at 09:31 AM
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p.1 #17 · p.1 #17 · RF lens recommendation for astro


Too bad the latest Sigma DG/DN Art lenses that are optimized for astro cannot be mounted on an RF body. The 20mm f/1.4 is my dream nightscape lens - small, light, and has the focus lock to keep that infinity focus. I have even considered buying it with the cheapest Sony FF body just for nightscape.

I love my Canon R5 and my lens I have but for nightscape I am really wishing for 3rd party support of Sigma. But that doesn't sound like something too promising, at least in the near future anyway. I currently use the Laowa 15mm f/2 manual focus RF mount lens. It is OK, but does have some coma issues on stars in the corners.



Mar 08, 2024 at 02:33 PM
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another_mikey wrote:
Too bad the latest Sigma DG/DN Art lenses that are optimized for astro cannot be mounted on an RF body. The 20mm f/1.4 is my dream nightscape lens - small, light, and has the focus lock to keep that infinity focus.../quote]

The Sigma 20/1.4 Art in Canon EF mount can of course be readily adapted to an RF body. I have not had a real dark-sky opportunity to go that wide since acquiring the R5, so I can't directly attest to the performance of the combination (I previously used the 20/1.4 Art in combination with the 5D IV).




Mar 08, 2024 at 04:12 PM
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kirbic wrote:


I think he was referring to the newer Sigma DG DN lens, which is only available for Sony and Leica mounts. Sadly, as it is very well reviewed.

Dave



Mar 08, 2024 at 04:32 PM







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