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A couple times a year we receive a travel catalog from National Geographic Journeys (their travel tour company). Most times in the past their trips were posted at the very high end (ie. $8-$15k/person) but recently we received a travel catalog with 'milder' costs ($3-$6k).

I realize you always get what you pay for and that these are not primarily photo-centric trips as you'll travel with up to 16 others but I wonder whether anyone here has gone of one of these with GN??



Feb 23, 2024 at 07:30 PM
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I received that catalog also. Around the world on a private jet for 19 days? Think it was $180K?

A bit too rich for not only my blood but bank account! Be interesting to see if anyone has taken a Nat Geo trip.



Feb 23, 2024 at 08:13 PM
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I typically plan my own trips and hire local guides when needed. It takes some effort, but I get exactly what I want and save at least 50%, quite often more, off of an arranged trip. I usually have enough days at places to be able to go back to photograph something if the weather didn’t cooperate the first time.


Feb 25, 2024 at 01:30 PM
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p.1 #4 · p.1 #4 · Traveling with National Geographic Journeys?


I'm always skeptical that I will be in photogenic locations with the light I want ie not midday.


Feb 25, 2024 at 02:12 PM
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I have no experience with National Geographic tours. Sorry.

One thing to consider, especially if photography is a primary goal for you, is whether a tour designed for non-photographers is going to put you where you want to be at ideal light times… and whether the tour is going to allow you enough time to do your photography.



Feb 25, 2024 at 09:44 PM
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gdanmitchell wrote:
I have no experience with National Geographic tours. Sorry.

One thing to consider, especially if photography is a primary goal for you, is whether a tour designed for non-photographers is going to put you where you want to be at ideal light times… and whether the tour is going to allow you enough time to do your photography.


I've given this some thought as well. My biggest problem is I have very little experience with overseas travel. My wife and I would like to visit Slovenia and Morocco on our own some day but it can be pretty daunting if you've not done it much. I hope for the best but worry about the worst that can happen.



Feb 25, 2024 at 10:01 PM
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Al Trujillo wrote:
I've given this some thought as well. My biggest problem is I have very little experience with overseas travel. My wife and I would like to visit Slovenia and Morocco on our own some day but it can be pretty daunting if you've not done it much. I hope for the best but worry about the worst that can happen.


I find if you go with a tour, you will not gain that over seas travel experience. Only one way…jump into the deep end of the pool.



Feb 26, 2024 at 10:33 AM
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Al Trujillo wrote:
My biggest problem is I have very little experience with overseas travel. My wife and I would like to visit Slovenia and Morocco on our own some day but it can be pretty daunting if you've not done it much. I hope for the best but worry about the worst that can happen.


I hear you. It can be daunting when your experience is limited or maybe it is even your first trip. (I recall the first time I went overseas — to London! — and was initially challenged by new signage and habits… and that was just London! :-) )

The good news is that in most places you can get along pretty well without being part of a tour, especially if you do a bit of research ahead of time. You can also ask the staff at your lodgings for advice — they may steer you away from or towards various things that are worth knowing about.

And if you are traveling to a place that is relatively popular with tourists, there’s a good chance that you’ll get along fine.

I don’t mean to diminish your concerns at all. There are things to watch out for when traveling on your own, but by and large you can do fine. And you’ll be in control of your time, fun stuff can happen spontaneously, and you’ll be much more likely to have tthoseo wonderful little unanticipated experiences that we all hope for.

If you are really new to international travel, you might try a first trip to a place that seems less challenging. (I have not visited Slovenia — though it is on my list — or Morocco, so I can’t give you a specific information there.) That’s a good way to overcome some of the concerns.

Also, once you are in the destination area, you can hire local guides if you want. They can help orient you to the place, and then you may feel better about continuing on your own.

Good luck!

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Feb 26, 2024 at 10:58 AM
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gdanmitchell wrote:
I hear you. It can be daunting when your experience is limited or maybe it is even your first trip. (I recall the first time I went overseas — to London! — and was initially challenged by new signage and habits… and that was just London! :-) )

The good news is that in most places you can get along pretty well without being part of a tour, especially if you do a bit of research ahead of time. You can also ask the staff at your lodgings for advice — they may steer you away from or towards various things
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Thank you...your words are comforting.




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Al Trujillo wrote:
Thank you...your words are comforting.


I’m glad to hear that!

By the way, I’m not sure if you have done any overseas travel, or if you want to start with Slovenia or Morocco.

Let me assume for the moment that you have not done any, and that those two locations are an eventual goal, but not an immediate one.

For worried travelers, an easier way to get started is in a country where you’ll face fewer initial challenges. If you are an English first-language traveler it could be a country where English is the primary language. That way you can dive right in on your own with one less fear to distract you. Of if you have multiple language skills go to a country where one of your languages is commonly spoken.

From there head to a country where English (or, again, another language you are comfortable with) is not primary but where people are familiar enough with you language that you won’t have any trouble getting along. For example, you could easily extend a UK trip by heading to France or to Belgium, the Netherlands, Germany, or Austria, or any of several other counties where it is easy to get along.

Happy travels!



Feb 26, 2024 at 05:06 PM
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p.1 #11 · p.1 #11 · Traveling with National Geographic Journeys?


While I've not been on any National Geographic Journeys trips, I have been on a couple of National Geographic small ship cruises (50-100 people on the boat). While I realize that these are two different modes of travel and group sizes, these tours generally not focused specifically on photography so you may not visit locations in the best light, etc.. Also, other travelers may not be as interested in photography as you are and may find your wanting to stop and photograph frequently conflicting with their goals or the pace of the group. With that said, on the NG cruises, they typically have a photographer/videographer as part of the crew that may offer suggestions/guidance.

I've also been to both Slovenia and Morocco. I spent 8 days traveling in Slovenia on my own about 10 years ago. While it wasn't a photo specific trip, I did spend some time capturing images on hikes, etc.. Not only is Slovenia beautiful, I found traveling easy, the locals were super friendly, and most spoke English. It's a very tourist oriented country. I would love to go back and focus on photography. I spent a long weekend in Morocco years ago when I was studying abroad in college. Let's just say our small group of 3 had to watch our surroundings (and my camera) every minute. Of course this was a long time ago, and we weren't in the most popular tourist areas. I recall a thread here on a fellow FMer's recent trip to Morocco, maybe you can search on that?



Feb 26, 2024 at 06:48 PM
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amv8 wrote:
While I've not been on any National Geographic Journeys trips, I have been on a couple of National Geographic small ship cruises (50-100 people on the boat). While I realize that these are two different modes of travel and group sizes, these tours generally not focused specifically on photography so you may not visit locations in the best light, etc.. Also, other travelers may not be as interested in photography as you are and may find your wanting to stop and photograph frequently conflicting with their goals or the pace of the group. With that said, on the NG cruises,
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My wife would love the cruise but I'd spend all my time looking at the shore rather than exploring it! Glad to hear of your good experience in Slovenia - it helps move it up higher on my list.



Feb 26, 2024 at 07:19 PM
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I am jumping in late here, as I am departing for a National Geographic tour of "Ancient Egypt" a week from now. We chose National Geographic because (perhaps naively) we thought this ensured a degree of quality. We are surely overpaying; it remains to be seen by how much.

When I signed up for the tour the "trip expert" was a National Geographic photographer/videographer. Despite the reality that very few people on these tours nowadays bring dedicated cameras (as opposed to smartphones), I thought that I could learn some photographic tricks from this guy and that a priority would be placed on taking advantage of photo opportunities. However, he had to bow out, and he was replaced by a cultural anthropologist. It remains to be seen how interested she is in photography, but this change has me doubting how much emphasis will be paid to photography.

Some points:
1) one person chided the whole idea of going with a tour group, i.e., it's not "real" travel adventure. Ok, whatever. Some people like to travel with a group because there is guidance and expertise, there is at least one person who speaks the local language, and there is someone taking care of the day to day details. It also seems safer. Moreover, there is some advantage to being part of a group of interested people. Out of the 20+ we are likely to travel with, we hope there are a few with whom we can forge some kind of temporary bond.

I will add that not all destinations are the same. Egypt is actually not a great travel destination these days. Most of the people are very poor, and many are understandably aggressive about selling, begging, offering services for tips, and otherwise harassing visitors. If you are in a group you are somewhat insulated from this (this sounds First World arrogant, but I think most of us would prefer less rather than more of this kind of "travel experience.") And yes, one of the musts on a trip like this is to carry lots of Egyptian pounds in small denominations for tips given to everyone who provides any kind of help or service.

2) On any photo expedition, time of day and lighting are fundamental issues. The first law of photo travel is that you cannot be everywhere during the golden hours. Midday occurs, no matter what tour you are on. In Egypt, not only will there be flat, awful lighting, but it will be hot as blazes. We hope, nay assume, that the trip will emphasize seeing the sights early and late in the day.

3) Final point: with regard to Egypt, there are particular impediments to photo-related travel. One hears horror stories about problems getting through customs or airport security with any reasonably robust camera bag filled with gear. No binoculars allowed, period (they are considered spy equipment). And if you are carrying any kind of sophisticated camera people will rush up to you and offer to have their photo taken (for money). I don't crave that kind of extra attention.

It is only six days before I leave to Egypt and I cannot decide still whether to bring a mirrorless camera with two or three lenses, or just say what the heck and take my trusty old Sony RX10iv and use that, along with my iPhone. Are my photos of the Great Pyramid or Hatshepsut's Temple going to be really any different from anyone else's?



Oct 01, 2024 at 11:48 AM
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GrandNagus50 wrote:
I am jumping in late here, as I am departing for a National Geographic tour of "Ancient Egypt" a week from now. We chose National Geographic because (perhaps naively) we thought this ensured a degree of quality. We are surely overpaying; it remains to be seen by how much.

When I signed up for the tour the "trip expert" was a National Geographic photographer/videographer. Despite the reality that very few people on these tours nowadays bring dedicated cameras (as opposed to smartphones), I thought that I could learn some photographic tricks from this guy and that a priority would be
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no binoc; is that a written warning in the tour brochure? i guess drone view of the great pyramids is out of the question.





Oct 01, 2024 at 12:13 PM
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I had read about no binoculars in some of the birding forums (Birdforum). National Geographic specifically states in the trip information "no binoculars." Yes,there is also advice online regarding drones ("no drones"), as they also are considered a military/espionage threat.

Meanwhile, given the day's happenings in the Middle East I am wondering whether the trip itself might be threatened. I'd rather know sooner than later.



Oct 01, 2024 at 12:23 PM
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GrandNagus50 wrote:
I had read about no binoculars in some of the birding forums (Birdforum). National Geographic specifically states in the trip information "no binoculars." Yes,there is also advice online regarding drones ("no drones"), as they also are considered a military/espionage threat.

Meanwhile, given the day's happenings in the Middle East I am wondering whether the trip itself might be threatened. I'd rather know sooner than later.


egypt has always been more volatile than ever w/ many different factions.



Oct 01, 2024 at 01:56 PM
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My mother was a travel agent and would create guided trips with travel and lodging done for groups of 20 or more adults. Many places that would have been great to stay at or restaurants to eat at could not handle groups of a dozen or more people. There is also the problem of people coming on trips despite have some viral infection and spreading it to everyone else in the group. On my last three trips that happened to me and I lost a day or more as a result.

I can save 50% by arranging my own travel and if need be, hiring a driver which provides me with a driver, a car, a translator, and often a guide all in one.



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