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p.2 #1 · p.2 #1 · New Cosina Voigtländer 75/1.5 development announcement for Nikon Z


Well, that's one of my boxes checked. If CV will also bless the Z mount with the 35/1.4 Nokton Classic, I think it's Zf time for me, and my first ever Nikon. Very excited about this 75 Nokton.


Apr 17, 2024 at 04:00 AM
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p.2 #2 · p.2 #2 · New Cosina Voigtländer 75/1.5 development announcement for Nikon Z


Also very excited. 75/1.5 is perfect for my kind of people-photo and a nice complement to my other lense. The samples, testemonies and reviews are very promising.


Apr 17, 2024 at 04:06 AM
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p.2 #3 · p.2 #3 · New Cosina Voigtländer 75/1.5 development announcement for Nikon Z


It's hopefully unlikely that high end manual focus lenses face direct competition from AF makers like Sigma and Nikon, for many users. Especially true as more of you are seeing the benefits of better focus aids implemented by Nikon.

After spending time using a finely constructed, all metal, made to last MF lens, that makes it much harder to see the mass market plastic cereal pack optics in quite the same way. Craftsmanship and traditional care for the product tends to do that to you.

And there is an honesty about MF lenses, which are generally purpose built to avoid requiring software 'correction' - they are made to last a long time and work on multiple platforms, present and future. The Sigma 90/2.8, not even 100g lighter than the VM 75/1.5 plus adapter, requires minus 11 distortion correction, making it a 'computer lens'. And the hood weighs .. 54 grams! (per Juha)

BTW, the talk of sensor thickness and Leica expertise is merely a background abstract matter, when you see the VM75 was tested by Fred on a Sony camera. It showed minimal CA, no further induced curvature and near 65/2 APO performance.

In some ways it reminds me of the Loxia 85mm, where high end glass does the heavy work inside a tight design - both are seven element designs with high percentages of APD glass, in place of the usual fare of ever greater complexity with its issues of longevity, sample variation, fabrication difficulty, optical correction spread.

Nikon's plastic barrel 85/1.8 - surely one of the ugliest lenses of recent times - is a 12/8 design. The distortion-happy Sigma 90/2.8 is an 11/10, despite being two stops down. That is what you get with mass market lens producers - they simply throw more glass at the design.

Since it is new to many, some choice comments from Fred's review, again the VM on a Sony camera:

'When reviewing the lens, I knew the Voigtlander 75/1.5 was optimized for portrait distance - but I was surprised by the great performance at long distance as well. Not only is it capable of unique rendering but it's also a solid choice for landscapes as well.'

'The CV 75/1.5 is outstanding starting at f/2.8 for the center area, while the mid-zone and extreme corners need a couple more stops to achieve optimal resolution and contrast.'

'The CV 75/1.5 is capable of defined sunstars from f/2 and they look very defined at f/2.8 and f/4 apertures.'

'In real world images, longitudinal CA (LoCA) is not very noticeable even in high contrast areas. There is definitely some green/magenta fringing but nothing out of the ordinary and correction is actually above average for a fast lens. No automatic profile applied in Lightroom so, there is no in-camera nor post-processing correction for this lens.'

'The CV 75/1.5 Nokton is well corrected for distortion only showing a slight pincushion.'

'Due to its outstanding resolution, contrast and lack of color aberration at infinity distance the Voigtlander 65/2 APO E-mount is my current go to mid telephoto lens for landscapes. However, this new CV 75/1.5 put up a great fight when I compared the two. They performed similar at smaller apertures - by f/2.8 it matches the CV 65/2 APO's center, by f/4 it matches its mid-field and at f/8 it comes close to the CV 65/2's corners.'

See for yourself:

https://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/1608503#chapter5



Apr 17, 2024 at 04:37 PM
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p.2 #4 · p.2 #4 · New Cosina Voigtländer 75/1.5 development announcement for Nikon Z


Today Cosina announced the official release date for the Nikon Z-mount version of Nokton 75/1.5. It's 15th of May.

https://www.cosina.co.jp/news/%e3%83%95%e3%82%a9%e3%82%af%e3%83%88%e3%83%ac%e3%83%b3%e3%83%80%e3%83%bcnokton-75mm-f1-5-aspherical-z-mount-%e7%99%ba%e5%a3%b2%e6%97%a5%e3%81%ae%e3%81%8a%e7%9f%a5%e3%82%89%e3%81%9b/



Apr 30, 2024 at 03:20 AM
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p.2 #5 · p.2 #5 · New Cosina Voigtländer 75/1.5 development announcement for Nikon Z


Agree. My only concern with a fast MF 75 is focusing effort. I have the 50/1, which focuses wide open like a 85/1.4, etc and I don't know if I can take any more focussing fun. The DoF of the 50 APO at f/2 is pretty much the boundary of MF fun for me. (I love the 50/1, but 1.0-2.0 is real work for that extra yard.)

I'd be happy with MF on anything shorter than 50, though, particularly a 21mm (please).


philip_pj wrote:
It's hopefully unlikely that high end manual focus lenses face direct competition from AF makers like Sigma and Nikon, for many users. Especially true as more of you are seeing the benefits of better focus aids implemented by Nikon.

After spending time using a finely constructed, all metal, made to last MF lens, that makes it much harder to see the mass market plastic cereal pack optics in quite the same way. Craftsmanship and traditional care for the product tends to do that to you.

And there is an honesty about MF lenses, which are generally purpose built to avoid requiring
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Apr 30, 2024 at 08:30 AM
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p.2 #6 · p.2 #6 · New Cosina Voigtländer 75/1.5 development announcement for Nikon Z


Damn, now I've ordered one.....


May 07, 2024 at 03:38 PM
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p.2 #7 · p.2 #7 · New Cosina Voigtländer 75/1.5 development announcement for Nikon Z


taildraggin wrote:
Agree. My only concern with a fast MF 75 is focusing effort. I have the 50/1, which focuses wide open like a 85/1.4, etc and I don't know if I can take any more focussing fun. The DoF of the 50 APO at f/2 is pretty much the boundary of MF fun for me. (I love the 50/1, but 1.0-2.0 is real work for that extra yard.)

I'd be happy with MF on anything shorter than 50, though, particularly a 21mm (please).




It's not bad at all , I have used the TTArtisan 90mm f/1.25 wide open and it was tough but not as bad as you think with the focusing assist tools.



May 07, 2024 at 03:41 PM
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p.2 #8 · p.2 #8 · New Cosina Voigtländer 75/1.5 development announcement for Nikon Z


The Nikon Z version of CV 75/1.5 was released to market today (at least in Japan). Map Camera put out a new article about the lens, and there is a YouTube video on the page as well.

https://news.mapcamera.com/KASYAPA/voigtlander_nokton75f15asph_z/



(It's in Japanese but auto-translation can be used.)



May 15, 2024 at 12:54 AM
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p.2 #9 · p.2 #9 · New Cosina Voigtländer 75/1.5 development announcement for Nikon Z


I had a look here:

https://news.mapcamera.com/KASYAPA/voigtlander_nokton75f15asph_z/

I noticed that all landscape pictures are very soft and lack sharpness. I had this lens on my wish list, but now I have real doubts. For nearby it seems excellent but for landscape it is not when I look at these pictures.



May 15, 2024 at 07:12 PM
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p.2 #10 · p.2 #10 · New Cosina Voigtländer 75/1.5 development announcement for Nikon Z


ustjwenew wrote:
I had a look here:

https://news.mapcamera.com/KASYAPA/voigtlander_nokton75f15asph_z/

I noticed that all landscape pictures are very soft and lack sharpness. I had this lens on my wish list, but now I have real doubts. For nearby it seems excellent but for landscape it is not when I look at these pictures.


I think there is only one landscape sample (showing the bridge) that was taken stopped down. The other cityscape type pictures seem to have been taken wide open. The bridge photo seems to have been shot at f8 in rather hazy weather condition.

In my experience the VM version of this lens was excellent with corner-to-corner sharpness when it came to landscape / cityscape type photos when stopped down to f5.6 or so, when I used it on my Sony E-mount cameras. I wouldn't be too worried about landscape sharpness with this lens but it's true that it's not well demonstrated with these samples.

Personally I'm going to order the E-mount version as soon as it gets announced.



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p.2 #11 · p.2 #11 · New Cosina Voigtländer 75/1.5 development announcement for Nikon Z


Far from the mainstream offerings, this one is an artist's lens so quite naturally it appeals to certain natures and not others. Most images you see are fairly close focus thanks to the quite remarkable rate of focus fade and in my opinion very fine bokeh. And versatility is a strong point of this fringe lens so here are some landscape images showing both intimate and distant focus. I see a bright future for 75mm lenses because they feel more like a stretched 55-58mm class of lens with less of the flattening you see with 85mm. The DOF envelope in the last two would be much harder with an 85mm, re aperture and content flattening.

Much easier to use as well, and colour tone discrimination is top class - very important to rich landscape photography if you are looking for a very natural yet vivid aesthetic. These below are from the VM version, and I agree it does not leave much to complain about. I like the haptics so I will be keeping it, that and the 385g with adapter (my travel is weight conscious by necessity).




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May 15, 2024 at 10:19 PM
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p.2 #12 · p.2 #12 · New Cosina Voigtländer 75/1.5 development announcement for Nikon Z


philip_pj wrote:
Far from the mainstream offerings, this one is an artist's lens so quite naturally it appeals to certain natures and not others. Most images you see are fairly close focus thanks to the quite remarkable rate of focus fade and in my opinion very fine bokeh. And versatility is a strong point of this fringe lens so here are some landscape images showing both intimate and distant focus. I see a bright future for 75mm lenses because they feel more like a stretched 55-58mm class of lens with less of the flattening you see with 85mm. The DOF envelope in
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I'm really not sure what makes this "an artist's lens" or even a "fringe lens" much less what comprises "a very natural yet vivid aesthetic." I'm also not convinced the DOF envelope (maybe 3/4ths of a stop) would be "much harder" with an 85 nor that the10mm FL difference in scene compression would be so radically different.

Most Voigtlanders, particularly in the mid and longer focal lengths are known for their very smooth and consistent bokeh - so there is no surprise there. And if you take a look at RoamingScott's Voigtlander for Nikon Image thread you can get a pretty complete sense of how Voigtlanders handle color.

But these images, nice as they are, and like the ones in the linked review above, are unconvincing as landscapes at 75mm.



May 16, 2024 at 09:17 AM
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p.2 #13 · p.2 #13 · New Cosina Voigtländer 75/1.5 development announcement for Nikon Z


I'd really love to see a small-ish 28mm f/2 from Voigtlander in the native Z-Mount. I think a 28/50/75 trio would be a really fun kit to have on the ZF.


May 16, 2024 at 09:48 AM
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matthewm wrote:
I'd really love to see a small-ish 28mm f/2 from Voigtlander in the native Z-Mount. I think a 28/50/75 trio would be a really fun kit to have on the ZF.


Yep, I wish we could get 21/3.5, 28/2 and 50/1.5 on Z.



May 16, 2024 at 11:13 AM
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p.2 #15 · p.2 #15 · New Cosina Voigtländer 75/1.5 development announcement for Nikon Z


Well, I ordered one today so that I can see for myself how it behaves on landscapes and cityscapes. Apart from portraits and family this will be my main purpose of the lens. I didn’t want the APO 65 because I can’t get excited about the pictures that I see from it despite its perfect specs.


May 16, 2024 at 11:23 AM
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p.2 #16 · p.2 #16 · New Cosina Voigtländer 75/1.5 development announcement for Nikon Z


What's the minimum focusing distance?


May 18, 2024 at 01:19 PM
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p.2 #17 · p.2 #17 · New Cosina Voigtländer 75/1.5 development announcement for Nikon Z


0.5m in Nikon guise, 0.7m in M-mount form. All technical information is here:

https://www.cosina.co.jp/voigtlander/en/z-mount/nokton-75mm-f1-5-aspherical/

You find some interesting information, as well as the design intention for the lens in the maker's pages. Like this one:

'the minimum aperture can be set as low as F32. At the maximum aperture of F1.5, you can enjoy a large bokeh effect, while at the minimum aperture of F32, you can obtain a deep focus.'

I'd never take a 85mm on backcountry trips due to DOF limitations, but this one is excellent, even for intimate landscapes at f11 or so. 75s are kind of stretched 55-58mm lenses, of which many were made as elite optics, even Nikon did so.

Designers probably knew in their hearts that 75mm was a great FL prospect, some even may have wanted to push the envelope to that point. But you know - buyer resistance to anything new or outside the well-trodden path. To this day, many (probably most) M-mount users make the large jump from 50mm to 90mm.

Yet the focal length range is literally peppered with small steps from UWA all the way to 50mm, then you encounter this black hole where few makers dared to tread, until they arrive at the well-worn same old of 85mm, the staid and recognised portrait focal length. That's photographers for you.

It's interesting that Cosina chose the 50/1 and the 75/1.5 as their entry into Canon and Nikon territory. What show offs! But I bet they fail to sell these pure character lenses in any real numbers to these groups. Apart from ex-Sony types maybe, or dual M/RF(Z) users, or a few renegades. ;-)



May 18, 2024 at 05:46 PM
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Max magnification ratio is 1:4.8
This figure for a typical 85mm 1.8 is given as 0.13x ? Are they somewhat similar?


philip_pj wrote:
0.5m in Nikon guise, 0.7m in M-mount form. All technical information is here:

https://www.cosina.co.jp/voigtlander/en/z-mount/nokton-75mm-f1-5-aspherical/

You find some interesting information, as well as the design intention for the lens in the maker's pages. Like this one:

'the minimum aperture can be set as low as F32. At the maximum aperture of F1.5, you can enjoy a large bokeh effect, while at the minimum aperture of F32, you can obtain a deep focus.'

I'd never take a 85mm on backcountry trips due to DOF limitations, but this one is excellent, even for intimate landscapes at f11 or so. 75s are kind of stretched 55-58mm lenses, of
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May 26, 2024 at 04:00 PM
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Gunigaon wrote:
Max magnification ratio is 1:4.8
This figure for a typical 85mm 1.8 is given as 0.13x ? Are they somewhat similar?



1:4.8 = 0.208. Pretty basic math.. Judge yourself if 0.2 is somewhat similar to 0.13



May 27, 2024 at 12:46 AM
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I'm not sure how I feel about the 75mm focal length... I've never owned a length in that focal length before.

It seems a bit too long of a focal length for a lot of travel/street photography, but not long enough to be useful as much of a telephoto...

It certainly seems like it would be a good portait lens, especially if it's acceptably sharp at f1.5.



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