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p.11 #1 · p.11 #1 · New Cosina Voigtländer 50/3.5 APO & 50/2.2 VM announcement


speedgraphic wrote:
Sensor shmensor. Those of us who shoot film want collapsible lenses.


That's a great point!



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p.11 #2 · p.11 #2 · New Cosina Voigtländer 50/3.5 APO & 50/2.2 VM announcement


Juha Kannisto wrote:
Allright, so Cosina announced Canon RF 75/1.5 today for April release, and no others as of now. So new lenses introduced at CP+ are starting to come out from April (probably one new release per month), but no VMs yet.

https://www.cosina.co.jp/news/%e3%83%95%e3%82%a9%e3%82%af%e3%83%88%e3%83%ac%e3%83%b3%e3%83%80%e3%83%bcnokton-75mm-f1-5-aspherical-rf-mount-%e7%99%ba%e5%a3%b2/


Juha - you have an in.... what's the word on the 50 2.2?




Apr 07, 2024 at 09:22 PM
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p.11 #3 · p.11 #3 · New Cosina Voigtländer 50/3.5 APO & 50/2.2 VM announcement


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Juha - you have an in.... what's the word on the 50 2.2?



I don't actually have any insider info but if Cosina follow their recent announcement patterns then the next official new lens announcement (for May release) would be one week from now on 4/15. My feeling is that it might be 75/1.5 for Nikon Z or alternatively one of the new VMs. Recently there haven't been any rumors coming out ahead of the official announcements in Japanese sites. Have to wait and see

First I'm expecting Cosina to announce the official release date for Canon RF 75/1.5 sometime this week as that has still not been announced either (just April release target was announced). Perhaps they announce the specific date on 10th of April or so.



Apr 07, 2024 at 11:22 PM
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p.11 #4 · p.11 #4 · New Cosina Voigtländer 50/3.5 APO & 50/2.2 VM announcement


Provided the M lenses launch in time, does anyone know if it makes more sense to buy Voigtlander in Japan or locally (Cameraquest) price wise? And are there are any Tokyo stores that would have these out on display to handle?

I'll be traveling to Tokyo in June and am considering picking up one or both of the new 50mm options. I've had good experiences in the past and the tax-free system is very smooth, while here in California sales tax is nearly +10%.



Apr 08, 2024 at 02:11 PM
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p.11 #5 · p.11 #5 · New Cosina Voigtländer 50/3.5 APO & 50/2.2 VM announcement


oscartb wrote:
Provided the M lenses launch in time, does anyone know if it makes more sense to buy Voigtlander in Japan or locally (Cameraquest) price wise? And are there are any Tokyo stores that would have these out on display to handle?

I'll be traveling to Tokyo in June and am considering picking up one or both of the new 50mm options. I've had good experiences in the past and the tax-free system is very smooth, while here in California sales tax is nearly +10%.


I think Japan prices have recently been better for new releases especially because of very weak yen + the tax free option for visitors. Map Camera (Shinjuku) and Fujiya Camera (Nakano) are the best Tokyo stores for buying Voigtländer lenses in my opinion. They have good prices and usually the best availability of those lenses among local stores. They usually have 1 display model of each lens at the stores but those are in locked glass vitrines. I suppose they can show those display models if somebody wants to have a close look and asks for it (haven't ever asked for this myself though), and alternatively if they have used copies of the same lenses, those could be typically inspected without committing to purchase.

I think Cosina continue to bring out their pre-announced lenses shown at CP+ at a rate of one new release each month and there's only May and June that are not announced yet that could meet your travel schedule, and with June it depends on what time of the month they release. I don't think Cosina would bring out both new VM releases so fast, but perhaps either one of them might be early enough in the queue...



Apr 08, 2024 at 09:25 PM
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p.11 #6 · p.11 #6 · New Cosina Voigtländer 50/3.5 APO & 50/2.2 VM announcement


Thanks Juha!

I was already planning to visit Map so I will keep my fingers crossed for at least one release before my trip. I just learned that the Nikon museum is closed for relocation, but that does mean I have even more time for camera shopping



Apr 09, 2024 at 12:44 AM
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p.11 #7 · p.11 #7 · New Cosina Voigtländer 50/3.5 APO & 50/2.2 VM announcement


Today Cosina announced the official release date for Nokton 75/1.5 in Canon RF mount: 26th of April.

https://www.cosina.co.jp/news/%e3%83%95%e3%82%a9%e3%82%af%e3%83%88%e3%83%ac%e3%83%b3%e3%83%80%e3%83%bcnokton-75mm-f1-5-aspherical-rf-mount-%e7%99%ba%e5%a3%b2%e6%97%a5%e3%81%ae%e3%81%8a%e7%9f%a5%e3%82%89%e3%81%9b/

Next announcement should then be about the next new (May) lens release...



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oscartb wrote:
Provided the M lenses launch in time, does anyone know if it makes more sense to buy Voigtlander in Japan or locally (Cameraquest) price wise? And are there are any Tokyo stores that would have these out on display to handle?

I'll be traveling to Tokyo in June and am considering picking up one or both of the new 50mm options. I've had good experiences in the past and the tax-free system is very smooth, while here in California sales tax is nearly +10%.


I think you'll need to do some price research on this. It does appear that there are some potential savings.

From my own experience buying a Voigtlander VM lens from Map in person while in Tokyo many years ago, they wouldn't let me open the box of the lens I was buying until after I had paid for it. So no way to 'try before buying' a specific copy. I'm sure if there was an obvious manufacturing defect on inspecting the lens after purchase while still in the store, that they'd swap it. But for optical issues that can only be determined with test images, and are sometimes difficult to convince store staff that there is a legitimate problem, it might be better to buy from someplace that allows easy returns, even if it costs more, for your peace of mind.



Apr 09, 2024 at 02:22 AM
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p.11 #9 · p.11 #9 · New Cosina Voigtländer 50/3.5 APO & 50/2.2 VM announcement


rscheffler wrote:
I think you'll need to do some price research on this. It does appear that there are some potential savings.

From my own experience buying a Voigtlander VM lens from Map in person while in Tokyo many years ago, they wouldn't let me open the box of the lens I was buying until after I had paid for it. So no way to 'try before buying' a specific copy. I'm sure if there was an obvious manufacturing defect on inspecting the lens after purchase while still in the store, that they'd swap it. But for optical issues that can only be
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It's true that the Japanese shops will not allow checking any specific new copy of a lens before buying, only 2nd hand lenses can usually be inspected before buying. And display copies might be allowed to be checked for look & feel before buying a new copy if asked.

When buying a new lens from Map Camera physical store, they usually note something about checking the lens within 1 or 2 weeks for any initial faults. I think if a buyer finds soon after purchase that there is an optical fault such as decentering, it's possible to got back to the store and try to explain it and possibly get another copy as a replacement. Japanese stores are never accepting returns without questions asked and usually returns mean replacement rather than getting the money back.

Decentering is a bit tricky as it may be difficult to demonstrate it so that staff can understand and agree. I've done two returns for replacement at Map Camera myself and both times it worked out successfully after talking for a while and showing some sample photos on my camera's display but it wasn't accepted without discussion, and for one decentered lens case it was somewhat difficult to convince them and they made some phonecalls to see if it was OK to replace etc. At that time I had also purchased the lens from their online store and went to their physical store for replacement which was also out of protocol. I did the talking in Japanese at those times though which might have been better (not sure if it helped though).

At Fujiya camera I've returned one 2nd hand purchase for being decentered and got another used copy in similar condition as a replacement (luckily they had several used copies in fine condition at that time). It was relatively easy but it might have helped that it was a used lens to begin with and I asked to replace with another used copy, and I also explained the decentering showing some sample photos at that time.

Overall I think there are no big differences between Japanese stores in terms of returnability, and it may actually be easier with camera & lens specialist stores vs. big electronics stores. Overall I think the risk of bad copies is not so high with new CV lenses though.



Apr 09, 2024 at 03:02 AM
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p.11 #10 · p.11 #10 · New Cosina Voigtländer 50/3.5 APO & 50/2.2 VM announcement


My last big purchase from overseas because of apparent huge savings at the time - new M6 - was mostly eaten up by import duties, then state tax as it was reported. Add onto that the hassle of a warranty repair it just wasn't worth it.
I’d pay the extra just for ease of return if something went belly up.



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p.11 #11 · p.11 #11 · New Cosina Voigtländer 50/3.5 APO & 50/2.2 VM announcement


As expected, today Cosina announced the next lens for May release. This time it's the Nikon Z-mount version of 75/1.5, so still no announcement on either of the new VMs:

https://www.cosina.co.jp/news/%e3%83%95%e3%82%a9%e3%82%af%e3%83%88%e3%83%ac%e3%83%b3%e3%83%80%e3%83%bcnokton-75mm-f1-5-aspherical-z-mount-%e7%99%ba%e5%a3%b2/

English product page:
https://www.cosina.co.jp/voigtlander/en/z-mount/nokton-75mm-f1-5-aspherical/

Japanese product page:
https://www.cosina.co.jp/voigtlander/z-mount/nokton-75mm-f1-5-aspherical/

Map Camera pre-order page:
https://www.mapcamera.com/item/4530076235106

Map Camera's price is 124201 JPY (including 10% tax), exactly same as with the Canon RF version that is getting released on 4/26.

Given that the Canon RF and Nikon Z mount versions of this lens are getting released back-to-back in April and May, it could be likely that Sony E-mount version will be the June release...

I think they will announce their June release on May 15th.



Apr 15, 2024 at 01:03 AM
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p.11 #12 · p.11 #12 · New Cosina Voigtländer 50/3.5 APO & 50/2.2 VM announcement


Any idea on when the 50mm 2.2 Color-Skopar will be released?


Apr 15, 2024 at 03:47 AM
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M_Wales wrote:
Any idea on when the 50mm 2.2 Color-Skopar will be released?


Cosina has been releasing their CP+ pre-announced lenses from April at a rate of one new release per month and so far it's been Canon RF version of 75/1.5 for April (26th) and Nikon Z version of 75/1.5 for May (specific date to be annunced). There are 75/1.5 for Sony E, 50/2.2 VM Color-Skopar and 50/3.5 APO-Lanthar remaining without official announcements yet.

All 3 of those unannounced releases will probably come out in June, July and August, one each month. I don't know the order but since 75/1.5 for RF and Z got announced first, 75/1.5 for E might be the next in line. That would leave the 50/2.2 and 50/3.5 for July and August (not sure in which order). We'll have to wait and see for the official announcements which have been recently coming in the middle of each month (15th if it falls on a weekday) for each release that gets launch date for the following month.



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p.11 #14 · p.11 #14 · New Cosina Voigtländer 50/3.5 APO & 50/2.2 VM announcement


I would be really interested in the 50/3.5 APO-Lanthar for Sony e-mount!

It would be such a sweet lens for hiking (paired with the Sigma 90/2.8 and 24/3.5 till Voigtländer brings something in these focal lengths for e-mount)

3 lenses (24 to 90mm) = 700g
- That is better than any zoom can offer (and with better performance)



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p.11 #15 · p.11 #15 · New Cosina Voigtländer 50/3.5 APO & 50/2.2 VM announcement


Juha Kannisto wrote:
Cosina has been releasing their CP+ pre-announced lenses from April at a rate of one new release per month and so far it's been Canon RF version of 75/1.5 for April (26th) and Nikon Z version of 75/1.5 for May (specific date to be annunced). There are 75/1.5 for Sony E, 50/2.2 VM Color-Skopar and 50/3.5 APO-Lanthar remaining without official announcements yet.

All 3 of those unannounced releases will probably come out in June, July and August, one each month. I don't know the order but since 75/1.5 for RF and Z got announced first, 75/1.5 for E might be
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Thank you Juha...




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p.11 #16 · p.11 #16 · New Cosina Voigtländer 50/3.5 APO & 50/2.2 VM announcement


When it comes to f3.5 lenses, CV know they are dealing with a different audience. People who may also enjoy that the lens is controversial.

Comparisons will be in order against the lovely 5/3 Heliar 50/3.5, another tiny gem (the 'little chorten') with the same dimensions L and D and, note, also a ten blade aperture. That one has an MFD of 0.7m, so the 0.45m (even in VM form) will be a fine development, and tends to suggest the usual slow lens attributes of excellent colour and bokeh.

Not sure about the mooted Sony vsn. Colour me suspicious - it's likely to look very different, have a Canon cross hatch ring and maybe weigh 300 grams, lol, they think we all have sausage fingers. [Perhaps Fred can put a black Type I VM on an a7rx body for us, if it does not float away, that is.] How could you not take a 150g Voigt APO everywhere you travel outdoors?

Such lenses are for those who walk the road less travelled, figuratively and literally. The Heliar 50mm has a perfect score in B&H's reviews, for good reason.



Apr 15, 2024 at 07:42 PM
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p.11 #17 · p.11 #17 · New Cosina Voigtländer 50/3.5 APO & 50/2.2 VM announcement


Interested in the 50/2.2 to go with my newly acquired 28/2.8 as a super compact kit. I have more 35s than 50s currently, so this addition is badly needed to maintain equilibrium.

I do love all these releases, but it'd be nice to see something new wider than 28 from CV next.



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philip_pj wrote:
When it comes to f3.5 lenses, CV know they are dealing with a different audience. People who may also enjoy that the lens is controversial.

Comparisons will be in order against the lovely 5/3 Heliar 50/3.5, another tiny gem (the 'little chorten') with the same dimensions L and D and, note, also a ten blade aperture. That one has an MFD of 0.7m, so the 0.45m (even in VM form) will be a fine development, and tends to suggest the usual slow lens attributes of excellent colour and bokeh.

Not sure about the mooted Sony vsn. Colour me suspicious -
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Yeah optically it is great but I absolutely hated the haptics on that lens. And I could never get used to the ugly bizarro lens design. I’m looking forward to the new ColorSkopar 2.2. I am hoping it is sharper than the Color Skopar 50 3.5 which I have which is pretty weak until f4.



Apr 16, 2024 at 12:01 AM
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You have to be able to live with your choices, it's true. The lovely little Heliar is one for 'image first' photographers, people who prioritise image quality above the other factors, those that are soon forgotten when they view their output. Hats off to Cosina for making such a wide range of very different lenses for very different kinds of photographers.

Many landscapers know what aperture they want right away. They set the aperture ring, then carefully find focus. It's really easy and fast (on mirrorless), made easier by the micro-contrast and edge definition. It's never disappointed. And it delivers 3D and colour gradation like few others I've encountered. I am talking about the 'v4', released in (I believe) 2017.

My guess and hope is they built in some of the Heliar 50/3.5 character to the new (and even lighter) APO lens.

https://www.35mmc.com/16/09/2017/voigtlander-f3-5-50mm-vm-heliar-review/
https://www.stevehuffphoto.com/2017/08/28/the-voigtlander-50-f3-5-heliar-v-4-on-the-leica-sl-f3-5-is-the-new-f1-4/



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p.11 #20 · p.11 #20 · New Cosina Voigtländer 50/3.5 APO & 50/2.2 VM announcement


philip_pj wrote:
You have to be able to live with your choices, it's true. The lovely little Heliar is one for 'image first' photographers, people who prioritise image quality above the other factors, those that are soon forgotten when they view their output. Hats off to Cosina for making such a wide range of very different lenses for very different kinds of photographers.

Many landscapers know what aperture they want right away. They set the aperture ring, then carefully find focus. It's really easy and fast (on mirrorless), made easier by the micro-contrast and edge definition. It's never disappointed. And it delivers
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Oh I totally get that - I use the CV 40mm 2.8 where the aperture ring moves with the focus. So I am used to setting the aperture, then focus. But the huge difference is the 40 is a beautiful, jewel-like thing that one just appreciates. While the 50 3.5 is just the opposite. There is a whole reason design is so important, it is what makes humans special. Why do we make things that may have the same function look so different?
Funnily enough it was the M mount version that I sold near to immediately. I kept the S mount version on my Nikon S2 until I sold that camera - but that was because there are very few decent 50mm lenses in that mount. The Nikon 50 1.4 that I had really was quite bad... and this annoys Nikon S users!
So with the S2 it was worth keeping, but on my Ms I was and am spoiled for choice with so many 50s that I prefer - and frankly as a film shooter because they give me the same result but often have three or four more stops of speed! Which is really handy when you have film, not an unlimited ISO digital sensor!

p.s I am guessing Huff's review shows a pic of a fire hydrant, his dog, a mailbox and maybe his wife? That seems to be the extent of his reviews... ;p



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