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OK, different question - get ready for it!

Gold ring glass - usually "N" coatings, AF-S lenses.

I have about 6, and went to these when my old D lenses were not sharp on the D850. I did this after both reading and asking Nikon about what I will call "sensor out-resolving glass" - my name for it, please don't get carried away. The old D lenses, even ED glass, just were not as sharp on the D850 as they were on my D3 and D5. Changing to new glass solved the issue for me. Nikon also told me that this is one reason that the D6 has less MP than the D850, so that pros could still run their D-lens collections. Their words, not mine.

Regarding the comments using these "gold ring" lenses on a Z8 body - the sensor MP is about the same. Should I assume that sharpness and contrast will not suffer using these lenses on a Z8? I am unsure how we are defining "F lenses perform better on the Z8 than on the D850 (DSLR was the exact term used)". And does the use of a Z8 eventually require the switch to Z-series "S" lenses?

This info will help the purchasing decision.

Thanks.



Feb 21, 2024 at 12:42 PM
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Of course you donít have to switch to S lenses, nor is there an exact analog of every F mount lens on Z mount.

If there is an exact S version of an older F version, rest assured the S is better in terms of optical quality. That is not to say older lenses are bad or unusable. They just arenít the highest quality you can possibly buy.

ďWork better than on DSLRsĒ refers to the fact that micro adjustments are no longer needed for auto focus, and that auto focus acquisition speed is faster on mirror list with the same lenses.

Your best bet is to rent or buy a Z8 and FTZ and just shoot your F glass and see how you like it vs our opinions.



Feb 21, 2024 at 01:29 PM
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kattz wrote:
OK, different question - get ready for it!

Gold ring glass - usually "N" coatings, AF-S lenses.

I have about 6, and went to these when my old D lenses were not sharp on the D850. I did this after both reading and asking Nikon about what I will call "sensor out-resolving glass" - my name for it, please don't get carried away. The old D lenses, even ED glass, just were not as sharp on the D850 as they were on my D3 and D5. Changing to new glass solved the issue for me. Nikon also told me that this is
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If, once resolution was normalized, your D850 shots were not as sharp or sharper than the same shot on your D3/D5, all else equal, then it wasn't the glass causing the sharpness difference - probably slight AF inaccuracies. If you were pixel peeping both at 100%, that wouldn't have been a meaningful comparison. To get the most out of any sensor, regardless of whether it's 20MP or 45MP, you benefit from using the best possible glass. If you are going to be scrutinizing your images at 100% on high resolution bodies, then yes it helps to have best possible glass on the higher resolution sensors, but the lower resolution bodies would also benefit from better glass.

I personally think Nikon's answer to you is BS with regards to the D6 resolution. Down-sampling a D850 to D6 resolution gives even better results in terms of sharpness, all else equal. This is the same reason why oversampled video footage is superior to native resolution. The main reason the D5/D6 have lower resolution for speed and because pros like sports photographers do not need to deliver high resolution files - in fact many of them deliver JPEGs to their agencies.

None of your lenses will ever be worse on a Z8 or any higher resolution body, all else equal, once you normalize the resolution between the two. You are never at a disadvantage there. I think what you will find is that when you use your F mount lenses on a Z body, they perform better than you are used to. Two reasons for this - 1) The AF on Z bodies is more precise, and since it is done on the sensor plane, AF fine tune and AF alignment issues are a thing of the past. 2) Z bodies focus at the user selected aperture up to and including F5.6, so if you are using a fast lens, there is no longer a potential issue with focus shift.

Also note that screw drive AF-D lenses will not AF on Z bodies. There are no screw drive motors in the bodies and the FTZ adapter does not support it either.



Feb 21, 2024 at 01:32 PM
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kattz wrote:
OK, different question - get ready for it!

Gold ring glass - usually "N" coatings, AF-S lenses.

I have about 6, and went to these when my old D lenses were not sharp on the D850. I did this after both reading and asking Nikon about what I will call "sensor out-resolving glass" - my name for it, please don't get carried away. The old D lenses, even ED glass, just were not as sharp on the D850 as they were on my D3 and D5. Changing to new glass solved the issue for me. Nikon also told me that this is
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Whoever at Nikon told you that the reason for the D6 pixel size is contiued use of D lenses probably will soon try to sell you some bridge somewhere. Reason #1: Journalists do not need as many pixels as landscape photographers, and smaller images can be processed quicker. Reason #2: In many cases, more than 24 MP are useless because you are at ISO 1600 and beyond, meaning available photons become the bottleneck. Reason #3: The single digit D series sensors are optimized for higher ISO performance and offer much higher dynamic range than the D850, for example, at ISO 4000.

Sharpness of F mount prime lenses on a well calibrated DSLR will be the same as on a Z series mirrorless camera - with the possible exception of a few lenses that might exhibit focus drift (i.e. the focus position at f/2, used for determining focus, might be different from the focus position at f/5.6, at which aperture the image might be taken). In these cases, Z series cameras use the actual aperture for setting the focus (up to f/5.6), and they use contrast-detect focus (avoiding issues with AF fine tuning, especially with zoom lenses, which would, in theory, need different AF fine tuning setting for every focal length). Long story short, your F mount lenses will perform as well or better on a Z series camera, compared to a Nikon DSLR.



Feb 21, 2024 at 02:15 PM
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This is good information, thank you. I think I will rent a Z8 body and adapter and do some macro shooting as well as some nighttime astrophotography. This will basically be the decision maker for me. On those types of photos you generally scrutinize them more so than a picture of tree bark or a landscape with lightning in the distance. Thanks


Feb 22, 2024 at 09:50 AM
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kattz wrote:
This is good information, thank you. I think I will rent a Z8 body and adapter and do some macro shooting as well as some nighttime astrophotography. This will basically be the decision maker for me. On those types of photos you generally scrutinize them more so than a picture of tree bark or a landscape with lightning in the distance. Thanks


If you have questions about the Z8 while renting, bring them on. It's a totally different beast than the D850, in a good way.



Feb 22, 2024 at 10:15 AM
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I use a vertical grip with my D850. I went from Nikon film including the F5 through the D3 and have always used a vertical grip from my early days.

While the D850 vertical grip integrates fully with the body, the vertical grip used for the Z8 looks like itís for the earlier Z bodies and the battery arrangement is not optimal in my opinion.

I think Iím just going to rent a Z9. By the time I pay for the Z8, grip and batteries, Iíve paid for a lightly used Z9.



Feb 24, 2024 at 02:24 PM
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RoamingScott wrote:
ďWork better than on DSLRsĒ refers to the fact that micro adjustments are no longer needed for auto focus, and that auto focus acquisition speed is faster on mirror list with the same lenses.

This is more important than many might realize. Many zooms can only be micro adjusted for optimal performance at one end if they need different adjustments depending on their extension, while with mirrorless their performance is automatically optimized across the entire range. This can make a big difference, and a lens that might have been best avoided at one end of the range can suddenly become an excellent performer.



Feb 24, 2024 at 03:25 PM
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kattz wrote:
I use a vertical grip with my D850. I went from Nikon film including the F5 through the D3 and have always used a vertical grip from my early days.

While the D850 vertical grip integrates fully with the body, the vertical grip used for the Z8 looks like itís for the earlier Z bodies and the battery arrangement is not optimal in my opinion.

I think Iím just going to rent a Z9. By the time I pay for the Z8, grip and batteries, Iíve paid for a lightly used Z9.


We're all different. I own the Z8 and thought about switching, and for the same reason you gave. But then I am into more mass than I want most of the time... and I cannot ever reduce it because of the integration. As it is now, I'll hold out for a generic Z8 grip that I actually want. Maybe it won't come and maybe I will switch. We're all different.




Feb 24, 2024 at 07:19 PM
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Agreed.



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Iím wondering if people are ditching z8 bodies in preparation for the Z6 III, rumored to be released by April 2024. Some reports say it will be better AND cheaper than the Z8. Enough to maybe keep me in the fence another month.

kattz wrote:
Was considering a move from my D850 to a Z8. Noticed MANY for sale used with low shutter counts. Would be curious to know what's going on/wrong with the Z8?

Thanks.

Kev




Mar 10, 2024 at 08:12 PM
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I did the same thing waiting for the Z8. Good luck! The next large-body Z9, I think, and only based on rumors, will be either a Z9ii or the Z9H.


Mar 10, 2024 at 08:29 PM
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I just bought a used Z8, love it. Whatever the reason, Iím a happy camper on the buying side.


Mar 10, 2024 at 08:29 PM
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Yeah. Z9H.

kattz wrote:
I did the same thing waiting for the Z8. Good luck! The next large-body Z9, I think, and only based on rumors, will be either a Z9ii or the Z9H.




Mar 10, 2024 at 09:42 PM
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Bob the Medic wrote:
Iím wondering if people are ditching z8 bodies in preparation for the Z6 III, rumored to be released by April 2024. Some reports say it will be better AND cheaper than the Z8. Enough to maybe keep me in the fence another month.



It's highly unlikely that the Z6iii will be better than the Z8. How would Nikon justify selling a camera at the ~$2,500 price point that performs better than their camera at the $3,500-$4,000 price point (assuming the Z8 price gets cut later this year)? Technology rolls down, not up. Maybe the Z6iii will have a stacked sensor but I doubt it will be as high resolution or have the same capabilities as the Z8. The only reason to sell a Z8 for a hypothetical Z6iii is if the body is too large or you simply don't need the features it offers. And selling now would leave you without a camera for who knows how many months.



Mar 11, 2024 at 07:58 AM
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Perhaps these sellers have been privy to insider information about Nikon's pending acquisition of RED.....

Video content owners upgrading to RED cameras benefit from early bird discount when sending in their RED to Nikon Support, who will swop in Z mount etc

kattz wrote:
Was considering a move from my D850 to a Z8. Noticed MANY for sale used with low shutter counts. Would be curious to know what's going on/wrong with the Z8?

Thanks.

Kev




Mar 11, 2024 at 08:19 AM
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Bob the Medic wrote:
Iím wondering if people are ditching z8 bodies in preparation for the Z6 III, rumored to be released by April 2024. Some reports say it will be better AND cheaper than the Z8. Enough to maybe keep me in the fence another month.




It's plausible that if they have made a Z6 III that it will be announced this spring 2024.

But I do not believe there is any report saying the Z6 III will be better than the Z8. It surely will be cheaper.

Nikon would not make such a move. I'll be hanging onto my Z8.

The Z8 has all the functions of the Z9. So, how could this Z6 III be better than the Z8?


Robert

Ok, doesn't the Z8 lack one thing.... internal GPS?












Mar 11, 2024 at 09:46 AM
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My gut is the the Z6III will basically be the ZF in a Z6 body, and the Z7III will basically be the Z6III with a 45mp sensor. Based on the reviews of the ZF I feel like most people will be happy with these updates, and they will match the mirrorless market fairly well.

Now let's say Nikon does surprise us and make the Z6III and Z7III with stacked sensors. I would expect the Z7III to be closer to the Z8 in features and cost. I don't see the Z6III getting a 45mp sensor and being under 3k. Also even if the Z7iii was basically a mini Z8 at around 3.3k with a 45mp stacked sensor I would still have a hard time calling it better since I doubt the Z7III would be getting the body of a Z8. Those extra buttons, ports, and features like light up buttons in the pro bodies can be very useful.






Mar 11, 2024 at 11:02 AM
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There are zero credible rumors about what the next full frame camera will be. At this point assuming anything is simply wishful thinking.

Looking logically at Nikon's pricing structure, there isn't much room for anything BUT a ZF in a Z6 body. The Z8, as pointed out, is ~mostly~ a Z9 in terms of functionality, and it's very unlikely that a prosumer Z6iii will best the Z8 in any meaningful ways, nor will it be as expensive.



Mar 11, 2024 at 11:21 AM
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Demand is still there. Iíve been waiting on a used Z8 to pop up for a bit. In fact there are 3-4 WTB threads in the Buy and Sell forum. The last guy who posted 5 new Z8s from BHPhoto sold them in a few days.


Mar 11, 2024 at 11:27 AM
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