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Cosina Voigtländer Nokton 50mm f1 for Sony E-mount for March release

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Feb 17, 2024 at 11:26 AM

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rscheffler wrote:
I just tried again to confirm: I selected random lenses from various brands that are not new releases and it wouldn't let me use Buyee. It stated: "this item cannot be purchased because it is not eligible for overseas sales." Each and every time. It didn't come across as a new release restriction, rather a ban on most major brand cameras, lenses and probably other items. Used lenses were no problem through Buyee.

Likely the manufacturers restricted shipping policies. Voigtlander, Nikon, Sony, Fujifilm all have restrictions to Canada from various dealers. Canon had full restrictions for a year but in December I noticed Canon has backed off somewhat. Many Canon items no longer list shipping restrictions such as R5 and lenses, yet the R5C still has restrictions.

Although I understand restrictions to help local businesses it has the opposite effect when you can not get an item locally(within your country). I went through that with Voigtlander on a discontinued Voigtlander EF lens. There was stock in discontinued items elsewhere. I went as far as contacting the Canadian Voiglander Official Distributor to see if they could arrange it coming into Canada through them and I was met with silence. The place I had found had stock it was their last one, but it stayed listed on their site for a year.

With Canon things like a strap or the short hood for my big white. Canon Canada wouldn't carry the short hood, B&H had stock but at the time there was shipping restrictions, my local dealer couldn't order a short hood through Canon Canada, in the end my local dealer was able to source one through South Africa, took 6 months and I finally got one at the same price as B&H. My local dealer jumped through hoops to source the hood. They were not able to do the same on the Voigtlander.

Shipping restrictions are fine if your country stocks things, but if they don't manufacturers' policies of shipping restrictions hurt both the photographer and themselves. Then of course others will also mention pricing but that is a different issue.

Feb 17, 2024 at 11:27 AM

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I am surprised to see yet another entry in this focal length and I too was hoping for a 28 mm.

Feb 17, 2024 at 12:05 PM

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I managed to order new Loxia 50mm from rakuten jp years ago. I ordered using google translate as the order is all in Japanese, but the store, Mitsuba https://www.rakuten.co.jp/mitsuba/, shipped it directly to me. Map wasn't shipping directly at that time also. I still get Rakuten jp shipping coupon emails...

Robert White UK has CV 28/1.5 for £624.17~$786.58 plus shipping... Other CV lenses are similarly priced to US prices, but once in a while you get these price differences... I ordered from Robert White previously.

nehemiahphoto wrote:
Disappointing. I guess MAP is for used gear for us at this point. I do wonder if other big stores are following suite. I’ll look into it later.

I see on eBay right now, you can buy a CV 35/2 Ultron new for Japanese prices, but the CV 28/1.5 is higher than MSRP here.

Feb 17, 2024 at 01:12 PM

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Yes

I hope it sells well enough to not discourage them from making any more new E-mount lenses. I think it would make sense for them to make more "common" lenses in all FF mirrorless mounts in the future (of course tweaked for each sensor) as they already have M-mount covered with a lot of options and there are no notable gaps there.

This is probably the only lens that would make me want to acquire another manual focus lens. I have been waiting for them to do this and puzzled by why it took them so long. Perhaps it really is a matter of an innovative design? Is it different from the Leica, Nikon, and Canon versions of this lens?

Imagine nighttime in a foreign city with this mounted on an A7CII or A7Cr?

Feb 17, 2024 at 01:21 PM

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nehemiahphoto wrote:
Disappointing. I guess MAP is for used gear for us at this point. I do wonder if other big stores are following suite. I’ll look into it later.

I see on eBay right now, you can buy a CV 35/2 Ultron new for Japanese prices, but the CV 28/1.5 is higher than MSRP here.

Have you had success with these kinds of purchases on ebay?

Feb 17, 2024 at 01:49 PM

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chiron wrote:
Have you had success with these kinds of purchases on ebay?

In the past yes. I’ve ordered new and used from Japanese sellers quite few times. And with capitalizing on market price differential.

Feb 17, 2024 at 01:53 PM

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I prefer manual focus for all my faster lenses - this even includes DSLR ones. Rarely use AF with these even if available. This said, I don't have a very new mirrorless camera with many AF points - likely the AF capability has significantly improved here including usage of fast lens AF. But I got so used to do this manually in a very reliable way that I personally don't see a need for it as long as my eyesight is not significantly worsening. If I would opt for an E-mount lens as mentioned, it would be the Cosina MF...Show more →

It’s not just the number of AF points that has got better, the speed and accuracy has got massively better.

With early Sony bodies I used AF as an emergency device for when there’s no time.

But with theA7r5 (and no doubt other recent bodies) AF for people is faster *and more accurate* than I can usually do. So for me, now, AF is prerequisite for fast lenses (since the majority use case for me for fast is human or non-human or animals) and MF if at all is for compact landscape gear; Apo Lanthars and the like.

Feb 18, 2024 at 12:24 AM

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chiron wrote:
This is probably the only lens that would make me want to acquire another manual focus lens. I have been waiting for them to do this and puzzled by why it took them so long. Perhaps it really is a matter of an innovative design? Is it different from the Leica, Nikon, and Canon versions of this lens?

Imagine nighttime in a foreign city with this mounted on an A7CII or A7Cr?

I've been buying mostly manual focus lenses in the last few years and very few AF lenses, I'm just enjoying MF shooting much more on regular basis and I use AF lenses mostly when shooting some action or some events (or when I want to use a zoom for convenience during travel or such). I already have a pretty good collection of both AF and MF glass but I'm still keen on expanding my MF lens set especially with native mirrorless options that have electronic communication support. I'm also thinking about buying this lens but not right away as I spent my lens budget recently and I need some time for it to recover. Might get it in 2nd half of April or so.

I think this E-mount version is not that different from other versions of this lens (except for optimization for Sony sensor and 0.45m close focusing (same as other mirrorless versions) vs. 0.9m for VM), and it's especially similar to the Canon RF version in terms of the surface styling and with both of them supporting clickless aperture option. I think they took long only because they were quite busy building up their lens lineups in all the emerging newer mounts after getting license agreements from the Fuji, Nikon and Canon and they wanted to move fast with those before there was a lot of competition. Now they probably have more bandwidth since they have already built up their lineups for X and Z to a reasonable degree.

I think this lens will be a bit on the heavy side for A7CII or A7CR but should still be manageable (not too much heavier than e.g. CV 21/1.4 for Sony E). I will hopefully be able to try it on my A7CII at CP+ (I'll go there on Friday 23rd).

Feb 18, 2024 at 04:54 AM

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Juha Kannisto wrote:
I've been buying mostly manual focus lenses in the last few years and very few AF lenses, I'm just enjoying MF shooting much more on regular basis and I use AF lenses mostly when shooting some action or some events (or when I want to use a zoom for convenience during travel or such). I already have a pretty good collection of both AF and MF glass but I'm still keen on expanding my MF lens set especially with native mirrorless options that have electronic communication support. I'm also thinking about buying this lens but not right away as...Show more →

Thank you for the informative comments. I hope you do get to try it this coming Friday, and I will look forward to your reports. I know you use the A7CII, so you thoughts on how well it fits on that camera body will be helpful, though I think I would get it anyway. The other body I have is an A9, a bit larger than the A7CII, but still a smaller and lighter body than Sony's recent full-size bodies. I do value lightness in shooitng in full-frame since there are such good options for keeping the kit light and small.

Feb 18, 2024 at 08:13 AM

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I tried this lens a bit today at CP+ and it balanced better on my A7CII than I had expected. Handling was fine and I like the grippy "knurled diamond pattern" surface. There wasn't much of anything to shoot at though so I don't have any worthwhile sample shots to share currently. I'm thinking of getting the lens but I may wait until 2nd half of April before I get one.

I had a chat with a couple of Cosina staff members as well. One of them was Sato-san who is the presenter in all of their product announcement videos and typically appears in Cosina interviews. I talked about how they should release a 28mm lens for Sony next (e.g. something like the 28/1.5 Nokton) and Sato-san mentioned that they want to widen their Sony E-mount lineup too going forward and that they have some interesting new ideas for lenses. I didn't get any info on what they are planning to release next though...

Feb 23, 2024 at 07:02 AM

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Juha Kannisto wrote:
I tried this lens a bit today at CP+ and it balanced better on my A7CII than I had expected. Handling was fine and I like the grippy "knurled diamond pattern" surface. There wasn't much of anything to shoot at though so I don't have any worthwhile sample shots to share currently. I'm thinking of getting the lens but I may wait until 2nd half of April before I get one.

I had a chat with a couple of Cosina staff members as well. One of them was Sato-san who is the presenter in all of their product announcement videos...Show more →

Very nice looking lens. What do you think made it feel better on the A7CII than you expected? Is most of the weight close to the camera body?

Feb 23, 2024 at 07:42 PM

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chiron wrote:
Very nice looking lens. What do you think made it feel better on the A7CII than you expected? Is most of the weight close to the camera body?

I was thinking it could feel nose-heavy and badly balanced on A7CII before I tried it but it felt it balanced quite well after all and I didn't feel any discomfort in the short time I played with it at least. I think one aspect of it was indeed that the weight seems to be closer to the camera body than with some other lenses of similar weight.

It can be seen on another A7 series Sony body (seems like one either original A7 or A7R) on this Map Camera YouTube video as well (first 5min 40s are from Cosina area at CP+):

Feb 24, 2024 at 06:50 AM

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Thanks Juha for your first impressions on the Nokton lens.

I was wondering, did you find it difficult to manual-focus the lens at f1 (due to A7Cii's EVF or due to pronounced SA)?

I do like it's new look, not being a fan of the "knurled" focusing ring myself (even if much loving my 50APO). I find it looks "modern" for a lack of a better word....

Feb 24, 2024 at 12:22 PM

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catacore wrote:
Thanks Juha for your first impressions on the Nokton lens.

I was wondering, did you find it difficult to manual-focus the lens at f1 (due to A7Cii's EVF or due to pronounced SA)?

I do like it's new look, not being a fan of the "knurled" focusing ring myself (even if much loving my 50APO). I find it looks "modern" for a lack of a better word....

Thanks! I don't think this lens is particularly difficulty to focus manually since it's fairly sharp at f1 (thanks to the floating element design etc.) but there could be a challenge of extremely narrow depth of field when focusing near the minimum focus distance where any tiny movement could easily throw the focus off a little bit. With some more distance I don't think it's going to be difficult.

I shoot with manual focus lenses on my A7CII most of the time (and also did that previously with my A7C) and I have many adapted fast rangefinder lenses that are designed to be quite classic / soft wide open (such as MS-Optics lenses), so I've had a lot of practice and I think this new CV lens will be easier to focus than some of those. I also get along quite well with the small EVF view on those cameras. A7CII is definitely easier than original A7C though thanks to the bigger magnification.

I also like the new look and also the handling of these lenses for E-mount. I think Cosina will keep similar design for E-mount for any new lenses too (already seen with the pre-announced 75/1.5).

I decided to trade in some older lenses that I've not used much for a while to have enough funds in my lens budget to get this 50/1 already at first date of release (still unknown when exactly it will be but should be sometime in March), and I made a pre-booking at Map Camera today.

Feb 25, 2024 at 08:53 AM

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Thanks, Juha, again! It does sound encouraging.

I have to say I was wondering, about a couple of months back (while reading the Nokton VM 50/1 topic here) why Cosina has not released yet such a lens for E-mount. Then, about 10 days ago, I have sold my Nokton 50/1.2 SE lens (as it looks like now - just to make room for this one).

...but the price.....

Feb 25, 2024 at 12:01 PM

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Map Camera put out an article with some samples taken with E-mount version of the lens:
https://news.mapcamera.com/maptimes/%E3%80%90voigtlander%E3%80%91cp2024%E3%81%A7%E3%82%82%E6%B3%A8%E7%9B%AE%E3%81%95%E3%82%8C%E3%81%9F%E3%80%8Enokton-50mm-f1-aspherical-e-mount%E3%80%8F%E3%82%92%CE%B17rv%E3%81%A7%E6%92%AE%E3%82%8B/

Feb 26, 2024 at 09:03 AM

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Thank you Juha. I looked at the images in that article and any decent psychologist can predict my conclusions. I want that lens, so I saw what I wanted. Did I see some LOCA purple/green fringing? Yes, but that is OK with me since I already know it is not APO. Did I see excessive field curvature? No. I do not want to see much field curvature, but a little FC will not bother me anyway.

It looks like a great lens for me!

Will it be available in US in March also, or only in Japan? Does anyone know?

Feb 26, 2024 at 10:01 AM

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Bertrick wrote:
Thank you Juha. I looked at the images in that article and any decent psychologist can predict my conclusions. I want that lens, so I saw what I wanted. Did I see some LOCA purple/green fringing? Yes, but that is OK with me since I already know it is not APO. Did I see excessive field curvature? No. I do not want to see much field curvature, but a little FC will not bother me anyway.

It looks like a great lens for me!

Will it be available in US in March also, or only in Japan? Does anyone know?

Thanks! I don't know if the release date in U.S. will be the same/very close to Japan. With most CV lenses U.S. has received them very close to Japan release date but there are some exceptions too (like the latest CV 18/2.8 for Fuji X that seems to be getting released several weeks later in U.S.). The 2nd latest release 28/1.5 VM got released in U.S. almost at the same time as Japan.

Feb 26, 2024 at 08:22 PM

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DavidBM wrote:
It’s not just the number of AF points that has got better, the speed and accuracy has got massively better.

With early Sony bodies I used AF as an emergency device for when there’s no time.

But with theA7r5 (and no doubt other recent bodies) AF for people is faster *and more accurate* than I can usually do. So for me, now, AF is prerequisite for fast lenses (since the majority use case for me for fast is human or non-human or animals) and MF if at all is for compact landscape gear; Apo Lanthars and the like.

I don't disagree, but every time I look through the EVF of my rV, all I want are my manual focus lenses. It's by far the best option I've had for the purpose in digital.

Feb 27, 2024 at 05:12 PM

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