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Cosina Voigtländer Nokton 50mm f1 for Sony E-mount for March release

  
 
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Priority for E mount development must be so low on the Cosina Voigtlander board if it’s taken them this long to get the 50/1 into E mount. This is my guess of their priority:

1. Continues new VM development
2. RF ports of star mirrorless lenses (15mm and 65mm are probably next)
3. Z ports of some next up low hanging fruit (110mm, 21mm)
4. E mount is probably saturated from their standpoint. Maybe they slip in a 75mm cause it’s easy, but I doubt they release their 28



Feb 15, 2024 at 10:46 AM
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BastianK wrote:
...in the Sony world this new 50mm 1.0 E is pricewise in a similar ballpark as a used Sony FE 50mm 1.2 GM.
I am very much aware of the difficulty level of designing an f/1.0 lens compared to an f/1.2 one, but one really must be a manual-focus-aficiando, to pick this 50mm 1.0 over a Sony FE 50mm 1.2 GM.


This is also true relative to Nikon and Canon's excellent 50/1.2 lenses.

The 50/1.0 is Cosina's halo lens for the Voigtlander line, so I guess it makes sense for them to offer an optimized version for the three major FF mirrorless systems to show off their capabilities. A fast manual lens like this, with electronic coupling enjoys the benefits of each system's focus assist features. I'm not familiar with this aspect of Nikon or Sony, but on Canon, focus assist can be coupled to face/eye detection and tracking to make for easier, confident non-magnified focus of otherwise challenging subjects. That said, I would trade the 50/1.0's relative compactness for the bulkier OEM AF model instead, simply for face/eye detection/tracking AF. And I suspect this is the barrier Cosina faces with many users of these systems.

As a Leica M and Canon RF user, it makes more sense (for me) for one lens to be usable on both systems. Therefore I'd be adapting M lenses to Canon RF. In this respect, I like Cosina's recent focus on M-mount releases. But there is of course the inevitable performance tradeoff caused by Canon's sensor stack thickness mismatching the lens's optimization for Leica's sensor stack...



Feb 15, 2024 at 12:12 PM
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This is cool and surprising.

Next up, CV revives the 35/1.7 for e-mount lol



Feb 15, 2024 at 12:53 PM
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It is sad that they left the former design laguage for the E-mount lenses (apart from the discontinued SE-series).


Feb 15, 2024 at 01:19 PM
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dieterson wrote:
It is sad that they left the former design laguage for the E-mount lenses (apart from the discontinued SE-series).


The E-mount barrel design resembles that of the CV 50/1 Nokton RF-mount, but the E-mount is lighter, weighing 590g compared to 650g. The closest to the M-mount barrel design is the CV 50/1 Nokon Z-mount, which is also my style preference.




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Feb 15, 2024 at 01:35 PM
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The M-mount-version is similar to former E-mount lenses and I cant follow Cosinas decision to change to R-mount-style?


Feb 15, 2024 at 02:05 PM
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Nice to see them still working on E-mount. I wish they'd use that body design on something close focusing - I'd be happy with 1:3 magnification really.


Feb 15, 2024 at 02:28 PM
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dieterson wrote:
The M-mount-version is similar to former E-mount lenses and I cant follow Cosinas decision to change to R-mount-style?


I read something that Canon doesn't allow third party manufacturers to make lenses in R-mount (through licensing of patents most likely).



Feb 15, 2024 at 02:32 PM
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p.2 #9 · p.2 #9 · Cosina Voigtländer Nokton 50mm f1 for Sony E-mount for March release


Happy to see a new E mount lens form Voigtlander! I do wish they kept the design language of there other E mount lenses though.


Feb 15, 2024 at 02:36 PM
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Is that the Canon RF Voigt on your Sony? How did you manage the FFD difference? ;-)

These blighters want you to feel like the red-haired stepchild of the industry, offering a straight up Canon copy - a hand-me-down after the three siblings have all had theirs. Last in line for a (Feb 2022!) edge of spectrum product, what a nice way to send that message. I'm starting to really dislike their management, and this 'feeding the chooks' effort simply makes matters worse in my opinion.



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nehemiahphoto wrote:
This is cool and surprising.

Next up, CV revives the 35/1.7 for e-mount lol


If that's the case, I'd love to see it rehoused for M, too. It's still my go-to 35, but dislike the ergos. Would make for very tight product spacing at 35mm: 1.2, 1.4, 1.5, 1.7, 2.0, 2.5....

But it's Cosina and that wouldn't stop them.



Feb 15, 2024 at 03:45 PM
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rscheffler wrote:
If that's the case, I'd love to see it rehoused for M, too. It's still my go-to 35, but dislike the ergos. Would make for very tight product spacing at 35mm: 1.2, 1.4, 1.5, 1.7, 2.0, 2.5....

But it's Cosina and that wouldn't stop them.


I think you’re begging them to make a 35/1.6

It will be interesting to see if anything else big or splashy comes out from CV in the next week.

Like a 90/2 or 180/4 reboot or getting into film bodies or such.



Feb 15, 2024 at 03:50 PM
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Yes, will be interesting. As I mentioned in another thread, a fast 90 is one gap in their VM lineup, as well as anything at 24/25mm. IMO these would be the next logical releases. But for FE mount?

If they do a 90/2, IMO it should be a second 'halo' lens along the lines of this 50/1.0. IOW, ground aspherical and should be APO to control LoCA/fringing that unfortunately is so prevalent in many fast CV lenses.

dieterson wrote:
The M-mount-version is similar to former E-mount lenses and I cant follow Cosinas decision to change to R-mount-style?

retrofocus wrote:
I read something that Canon doesn't allow third party manufacturers to make lenses in R-mount (through licensing of patents most likely).


Canon has been extremely restrictive of third party lenses. AFAIK, the two from Cosina are the only ones they've allowed (though I thought I read about something with AF coming from a third party brand?). Everything else that was previously on the market and was AF and electronic RF mount compatible, was pulled after Canon apparently threatened legal action. Everything third party commonly available now for RF is basic mechanical mount without any electronic communications, except these Voigtlanders. Exceptions appear to be third party EF to RF mount adapters as apparently the electronics for these are simple pass-through of the EF protocol to the R system camera.

In a recent interview (perhaps DP Review?), Canon indicated they would allow third party RF lenses on a case by case basis that are 'complementary' to the R system. Interpret that however you like.



Feb 15, 2024 at 04:02 PM
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I had wanted a 180/4 and 90/2 for years. To be honest, my tastes, size preference and shooting has changed over the last 5 years. I don’t think either would be meaningful for me at this point.

I guess I fall into Cosina’s lens thinking—a 24/25 wouldn’t do much for me either. I can either use their 21 or 28 options.

But I would really love a compact 18/2.8 or 3.4 option.


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Feb 15, 2024 at 05:38 PM
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Hijacking this thread to ask — is there a way to order from map without tax? Does buyee include it?

Their prices are hard to beat



Feb 15, 2024 at 06:23 PM
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So now what??.. manual focusing a f1.0 lens on an AI AF pioneering camera?? Where there is NO new manual focusing aids besides focus peaking and focus zoom?? And the recent abandoned support for Loxia manual focus zoom popup?
No thanks.



Feb 15, 2024 at 06:53 PM
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mojoh wrote:
So now what??.. manual focusing a f1.0 lens on an AI AF pioneering camera?? Where there is NO new manual focusing aids besides focus peaking and focus zoom?? And the recent abandoned support for Loxia manual focus zoom popup?
No thanks.


Well said, I'll grab my pitchfork too. Its a disappointment for users that made Sony their manual focusing platform with adapted and native lenses since day 1, only to see Sony unable to push a software update to compete with Canon and Nikon now.



Feb 15, 2024 at 07:39 PM
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mojoh wrote:
So now what??.. manual focusing a f1.0 lens on an AI AF pioneering camera?? Where there is NO new manual focusing aids besides focus peaking and focus zoom?? And the recent abandoned support for Loxia manual focus zoom popup?
No thanks.


Focus magnification still works well, though. I know there are newer manual focus aids available, but for me, the pleasure of manual focus is in excluding algorithms and taking things slow.



Feb 15, 2024 at 07:56 PM
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A 25/2 or 1.4 “Classic” would be interesting (and perhaps differentiate itself enough from CV’s 21 and 28mm offerings enough to be compelling).


Feb 15, 2024 at 07:57 PM
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dieterson wrote:
The M-mount-version is similar to former E-mount lenses and I cant follow Cosinas decision to change to R-mount-style?


I think they used this knurled diamond pattern surface first on their VM 50/1.5 Heliar classic and it was used again in Canon RF 50/1.0 & 40/1.2 and now on Sony E 50/1.0 because they consider it to be a luxurious styling. I personally like it quite a bit on my Heliar classic and to me it looks nice with this new E-mount 50/1.0 as well as on the RF lenses too.



Feb 15, 2024 at 08:11 PM
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