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Hello, Canon friends. Having moved from Canon full frame to Fuji mirrorless, I am contemplating a move back to a Canon R series camera. I am in NO hurry whatsoever, just thinking about getting older and finding perhaps my last major camera purchase to take me into retirement in a handful of years.

I've been curious about the R5, as a fellow photog shoots with it, and I like what it can do. 45 MP is really over the top for me, but I confess there may be times when cropping might make it useful. Then I read a little about the R6II. It sounds like a nice camera, too. I just don't know enough about these cameras any more. The reason I am looking back at Canon is that I still have my 5D3, 100-400, 16-35, 24-70 and 85 1.8. So with an adapter, I could use all of these lenses, I assume. On the other hand, weight is one reason I switched to Fuji. I adore my Fuji kit (XT-3, 100V, assorted lenses) and I doubt I'd get rid of it - at least not just yet. But full frame calls to me from time to time, and I will definitely want IBIS in my next camera.

I shoot a bit of everything these days, people, street, travel, nature and wildlife... but I don't really do a ton of BIF.

What am I asking here? Heck if I know. This is a ramble. Share with me anything you want to about the Canon mirrorless set ups

Thanks in advance!

Feb 13, 2024 at 10:14 AM

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p.1 #2 · p.1 #2 · Canon-Fuji-Canon?

If you don’t need the MP then I’d suggest the R6II. It has more AF options like Eye Detect AF in all AF modes. I’m very happy with mine.

Feb 13, 2024 at 10:57 AM

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Zenon Char wrote:
If you don’t need the MP then I’d suggest the R6II. It has more AF options like Eye Detect AF in all AF modes. I’m very happy with mine.

It sounds like a great option! Do the EF lenses adapt and work OK with the RF bodies?

Feb 13, 2024 at 11:03 AM

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Sharona wrote:
It sounds like a great option! Do the EF lenses adapt and work OK with the RF bodies?

Yes

Feb 13, 2024 at 11:14 AM

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p.1 #5 · p.1 #5 · Canon-Fuji-Canon?

Zenon Char wrote:
If you don’t need the MP then I’d suggest the R6II. It has more AF options like Eye Detect AF in all AF modes. I’m very happy with mine.
I like "more power@mp" Zenon. Any suggestion-Canon only please? I too am still a dslr guy! I do not want to switch brands.
Thanks!
Dan

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Feb 13, 2024 at 11:21 AM

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Feb 13, 2024 at 11:32 AM

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p.1 #7 · p.1 #7 · Canon-Fuji-Canon?

The adapter works terrific on an RF body. Some will even say better than on an EF body as AF is more accurate.

You mentioned weight is of a concern listed below are all the RF lenses and their weight. You will find several are very lightweight and give excellent images. I often will take my RF16, RF24 and RF35 for walks with my R5. It is a very light kit.

Current RF lenses Weight
RF 28mm f/2.8 STM 4.2 oz / 120 g
RF 50mm f/1.8 STM 5.6 oz / 160 g
RF 16mm f/2.8 STM 5.8 oz / 165 g
RF 24-50mm f/4.5-6.3 IS STM 7.4 oz / 210 g
RF 24mm f/1.8 Macro IS STM 9.5 oz / 270 g
RF 35mm f/1.8 IS Macro STM 10.8 oz / 305 g
RF 15-30mm f/4.5-6.3 IS STM 13.8 oz / 390 g
RF 24-105mm f/4-7.1 IS STM 13.93 oz / 395 g
RF 85mm f/2 Macro IS STM 17.64 oz / 500 g
RF 14-35mm f/4 L IS USM 1.2 lb / 544 g
RF 10-20mm f/4 L IS STM 1.3 lb / 570 g
RF 100-400mm f/5.6-8 IS USM 1.4 lb / 635 g
RF 70-200mm f/4 L IS USM 1.5 lb / 695 g
RF 24-105mm f/4 L IS USM 1.5 lb / 700 g
RF 100mm f/2.8 L IS Macro USM 1.6 lb / 730 g
RF 24-240mm f/4-6.3 IS USM 1.65 lb / 751.26 g
RF 15-35mm f/2.8 L IS USM 1.85 lb / 840 g
RF 24-70mm f/2.8 L IS USM 1.98 lb / 900 g
RF 600mm f/11 IS STM 2.05 lb / 930 g
RF 135mm f/2.8 L IS USM 2.1 lb / 935 g
RF 50mm f/1.2 L USM 2.1 lb / 950 g
RF 70-200mm f/2.8 L IS USM 2.35 lb / 1070 g
RF 85mm f/1.2 L USM 2.63 lb / 1195 g
RF 85mm f/1.2 L USM DS 2.63 lb / 1195 g
RF 800mm f/11 IS STM 2.77 lb / 1260 g
RF 24-105mm f/2.8 L IS USM Z 2.9 lb / 1.3 kg
RF 100-500mm f/4.5-7.1 L IS USM 3 lb / 1365 g
RF 28-70mm f/2 L USM 3.1 lb / 1430 g
RF 200-800mm F6.3-9 IS USM 4.5 lb / 2 kg
RF 100-300mm f/2.8 L IS USM 5.7 lb / 2590 g
RF 400mm f/2.8 L IS USM 6.4 lb / 2.9 kg
RF 600mm f/4 L IS USM 6.8 lb / 3.1 kg
RF 800mm f/5.6 L IS USM Lens 6.9 lb / 3140g
RF 1200mm f/8 L IS USM Lens 7.3 lb / 3340 g

Feb 13, 2024 at 12:26 PM

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If weight is a concern, the R8 has the same sensor and most of the R6 MK II features, save for IBIS, dual SD slots, big battery and high rez EVF. With that said much of the weight is in the lenses but there are plenty of petite RF primes, e.g., RF 28 2.8 STM, RF 50 1.8 STM, 16 2.8 STM, etc., if you crave a smaller kit. I started out using adapted EF lenses but, other than larger telephotos where it doesn't matter much, didn't care for the extra bulk of the adapter on small lenses and ended up replacing most of my EF lenses with RF.

Feb 13, 2024 at 12:33 PM

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p.1 #9 · p.1 #9 · Canon-Fuji-Canon?

If you don't like the heavy Canon gear buy the light Canon gear

My SL2 is probably lighter than your xt3, and it takes 55-250, which is much lighter and 100-400 equivalent. Of course the 5D3 + 100-400 is heavy!

nothing against the X-T3, really, doesn't look heavy to me, RP , R8 probably lighter, though. Your 16-35 probably isn't bad weight, for the capability, but the 28 Rf is tiny

Feb 13, 2024 at 12:40 PM

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p.1 #10 · p.1 #10 · Canon-Fuji-Canon?

Don't get me wrong. I LOVE my Canon gear. It's actually my main gear these days, but it's heavy and bulky compared to my previous Fuji stuff. If you are getting shots you love with Fuji, and are primarily concerned with weight, I'd stick with that system. BUT, if you need more in terms of autofocus, FPS, full frame (has pros and cons), IS, video, then there's something you get with Canon/Nikon/Sony that I don't think Fuji will be able to match. I've found that I can get shots with an R5/R3 and L glass (24-70, 70-200, 100-500, etc.) that I could never get close to with Fuji. It's just in a completely different league, but there are trade offs like weight, bulk, and cost. It all depends on what you are trying to do.

Feb 13, 2024 at 12:53 PM

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I moved from my 5D iii to an RP a month ago. I moved because the 5D and my EF lenses were big and heavy and I was tired of carrying 2+ lbs all the time when I left the house with my camera. Ergonomics were the main driver for my camera choices.

I opted to sell all of my EF lenses because many of the comparable RF lenses were either lighter or had IS. For instance, the RF 15-30mm is smaller, lighter, has IS and is wider than the EF 17-40 f/4L. Seemed like a no-brainer for me.

That said, I don't think you will gain much size or weight if you switch from a 5D iii to an R5 with an adapter. The 5D iii is only about 3.5oz heavier than the R5 with adapter. The dimensions are similar with the R5 being about 0.5" less wide, 0.8" less tall and 0.5" less deep. Though, the camera actually becomes wider when you add the adapter to the front of the camera.

I think the R5 becomes a better proposition if you go all-in on RF lenses.

That said, the R series AF is definitely a lot better than DSLR AF. Up to you if AF performance is the reason to switch.

Feb 13, 2024 at 01:05 PM

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p.1 #12 · p.1 #12 · Canon-Fuji-Canon?

Thanks, all! Lots to ponder.

Feb 13, 2024 at 01:11 PM

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I'll admit I don't know much about the Fuji system's performance capabilities relative to Canon, Nikon and Sony FF systems, but on paper the Fuji X-H2/X-H2S seem pretty compelling. The former (along with the X-T5) gives you 40MP APS-C, so lots of pixel density for cropping or reach limited situations. The latter gives you a 26MP stacked sensor for the benefits that can provide... each for less than the price of a Canon R6II (which I own). If you like your Fuji lenses, why not a body upgrade? Or put a bit of money into the better performing Fuji lenses? The Canon zooms you have are all decent and your profile indicates they're all second versions, for those where this is relevant, and will generally perform fairly seamlessly on any of the R bodies. It's a good time to buy an R5 if price is a concern as it's likely to be replaced soon and is currently discounted a fair amount.

There isn't really a clearcut answer here...

Feb 13, 2024 at 04:42 PM

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I just switched from my X-T2 system to Canon after having Fuji for 6 years. I was getting annoyed shooting action that I couldn't get focus fast enough. Problem solved now.

For me, the difference is significant.

Focus is SO much better. And with the lenses you already have, you're just missing the body and adapter to get your on your way.

Feb 13, 2024 at 04:49 PM

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SkippyW wrote:
I just switched from my X-T2 system to Canon after having Fuji for 6 years. I was getting annoyed shooting action that I couldn't get focus fast enough. Problem solved now.

For me, the difference is significant.

Focus is SO much better. And with the lenses you already have, you're just missing the body and adapter to get your on your way.

Curious why you chose Canon, (and not Sony, Nikon, etc,) and which body you chose. Thanks!

Feb 13, 2024 at 05:14 PM

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Sharona wrote:
Hello, Canon friends. Having moved from Canon full frame to Fuji mirrorless, I am contemplating a move back to a Canon R series camera. I am in NO hurry whatsoever, just thinking about getting older and finding perhaps my last major camera purchase to take me into retirement in a handful of years.

I've been curious about the R5, as a fellow photog shoots with it, and I like what it can do. 45 MP is really over the top for me, but I confess there may be times when cropping might make it useful. Then I read a little...Show more →

Consider the r8 - 450grams, 40fps, ff, $1500, 4k video, ff, with clog3. It's a fantastic camera. The 100-400, 16-35, 24-70 and 85 1.8 work well on it - as good as 5d3 or more. The 100-400v1 is chatterly (seeking focus a lot) in idle on r8 but aside from this annoyance its as good as it was on the 5d3. In particular, the R8 af/eye focus on the 100-400 is excellent. But it also makes the 100-400v1 show its IS age but as good as on the 5diii. And with the drop in adapter, the 16-35, 24-70 will work and have a variable 9 stop adapter. It is as light as the fuji xt3 but full frame. The only thing I don't like about it is that it only has c1 and c2 (no c3). It uses an sd (but a v90 for 24mpx is way sufficient) and and a smaller battery (but it's good enough). It does not have IBIS, but most of my lens I use on the tripod or they have IS.

The great thing about RF now is that the 16/2.8, 24-105, 15-30, 28 are all available in choices less than $1000, and <1/2 the weight. Fantastic for travel systems.

[I have r5 and 7dii and used to have 5dsr and 5dii. I got rid of 5d's after having the r5 - because I was not using them. And I have not used the 7dii for 2 years because the r5 has 1.6apsc mode. I got the r8 for backpacking but I found I really like it aside from 24mpx for landscape. It has features that r5 does not have (eg AEB in electronic, manual switch for video). I have been really impressed by the r8. In fact I used it today for ravens with AEB/electronic and the new $1000 RF 100-400 because of the AEB/Electronic feature and faster buffer clear. ]

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rscheffler wrote:
I'll admit I don't know much about the Fuji system's performance capabilities relative to Canon, Nikon and Sony FF systems, but on paper the Fuji X-H2/X-H2S seem pretty compelling. The former (along with the X-T5) gives you 40MP APS-C, so lots of pixel density for cropping or reach limited situations. The latter gives you a 26MP stacked sensor for the benefits that can provide... each for less than the price of a Canon R6II (which I own). If you like your Fuji lenses, why not a body upgrade? Or put a bit of money into the better performing Fuji lenses?...Show more →

I don't know fuji either but

40mpx pixel density on apsc causes defraction at quite low stop - losing some of the benefits of 40mpx for at least landscape. It's useful for wildlife (wide open) but not noticeably better for landscape (stopped down). The pixel density is approaching diminishing returns, except for wide open on fast primes (not landscape). And full frame uses 50% more glass, generally out achieves an apsc by 1/3 resolution if you zoom with your feet or buy a longer lens. 40mpx outresolves most aspc lens. And generally ff is a stop or two better in low light.

Not saying you are wrong to say xt-5 is a good choice but I prefer r8/24mpx to apsc of any kind for landscape. And for wildlife the APSC is better in good light but not as good in low light.

Feb 13, 2024 at 06:12 PM

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Scott Stoness wrote:
I don't know fuji either but

40mpx pixel density on apsc causes defraction at quite low stop - losing some of the benefits of 40mpx for at least landscape. It's useful for wildlife but marginal for landscape. The pixel density is approaching diminishing returns, except for wide open on fast primes. And full frame uses 50% more glass, generally out achieves an apsc by 1/3 resolution if you zoom with your feet or buy a longer lens. And generally ff is a stop or two better in low light.

Not saying you are wrong to say xt-5 is a good choice...Show more →

Fuji's 40MP is probably pretty similar to Canon's R7. With APS-C you're shooting with wider lenses for equivalent framing to FF, so can at least shoot a stop wider for equivalent depth of field. Considering the R7's pixel density is ~80MP FF, maybe one has to shoot two stops wider than the R5 for similar diffraction considerations? The better, newer lenses designed specifically for APS-C, should theoretically be optimized for wide open, or wide aperture performance. It's not like the lens designers didn't know that pixel density would eventually increase. That said, some diffraction can be overcome in post. I believe you're an advocate of shooting stopped down into diffraction territory if the situation calls for it, and dealing with later.

I suspect though that the OP is not overly concerned about diffraction and just wants the higher MP option for times when it's useful. Diffraction can also be mitigated by oversampling (downsizing) the final image to a resolution more suitable for the OP's end uses, if 40-45MP is not usually required.

SkippyW wrote:
I just switched from my X-T2 system to Canon after having Fuji for 6 years. I was getting annoyed shooting action that I couldn't get focus fast enough. Problem solved now.

For me, the difference is significant.

Focus is SO much better. And with the lenses you already have, you're just missing the body and adapter to get your on your way.

I have few complaints about the R system's AF capabilities. I'm curious about your decision, considering the X-T2 was a 2016 release. At that time I tried a number of Sony mirrorless cameras and came to the conclusion I would stick with my 1DXII because I thought it was a more responsive, better focusing camera. The Sony a9 released around 2017 was the first mirrorless I would have bought for AF performance reasons, but decided to hold off to see what Canon would release (and Sony's native lens lineup was immature at that time and they still lack a specific lens I would want). In your case, with a ~2016 vintage Fuji camera, did you consider or try the current Fuji offerings? I'm genuinely curious if those are still not able to keep up with Canikony mirrorless in respect to AF performance. A lot has changed in the mirrorless world since 2016; even Panasonic finally decided to incorporate PDAF!

Feb 13, 2024 at 06:41 PM

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p.1 #19 · p.1 #19 · Canon-Fuji-Canon?

I go back to my original points in the thread — that there is not likely to be any particular advantage in switching either direction based on brand quality. If you feel that you need full frame, or if you really like manual controls, or one or the other brand provides some particular functionality necessary to you photography, that could make a difference.

And if those reasons exist, why not also consider Nikon and Sony?

Based on my interactions with the OP in the Fujifilm forum, I am not sure I see the reasons for switching.

Feb 13, 2024 at 08:32 PM

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gdanmitchell wrote:
I go back to my original points in the thread — that there is not likely to be any particular advantage in switching either direction based on brand quality. If you feel that you need full frame, or if you really like manual controls, or one or the other brand provides some particular functionality necessary to you photography, that could make a difference.

And if those reasons exist, why not also consider Nikon and Sony?

Based on my interactions with the OP in the Fujifilm forum, I am not sure I see the reasons for switching.

Mostly because I am familiar with Canon and have several lenses as well as a set of Lee filters that match those lenses that I like to mess around with. Really appreciate the conversation; my next camera has to have IBIS, so the ones mentioned that don’t have it are of no interest. Cheers!

Feb 13, 2024 at 09:04 PM

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