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p.1 #1 · p.1 #1 · Z8 White Balance Experience


I've started running into a problem with the Z8 that I've never encountered before. I sold my z8 a while back and started using just the z9. I decided I missed the smaller body and went back to the z8 with a new body. Since using the new body, I'm experiencing consistency green tinted white balance using auto white balance that needs correcting in post. It's not crazy green or anything, but definitely off in the green direction. I didn't have this experience with any other nikon body I've used. Has anyone had this experience or any ideas what might be causing it?


Feb 12, 2024 at 04:31 PM
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p.1 #2 · p.1 #2 · Z8 White Balance Experience


Do you have a UV filter on the lens? Digital cameras don't need them at all and they can cause green/blue color casts.

Do all the Auto WB modes have the same problem? Auto 0, Auto 1, Auto 2 etc.

Is your computer monitor accurate and properly calibrated?

If you take a picture of a grey card, does it still come out green?

Maybe reset the camera just to rule out anything silly.

Hard to say what's going on. The Z8 I have access to does not have a green tint to the AWB. If it's consistent, you can go into the AWB Fine Tune and dial in a small adjustment to suit your preferences.



Feb 12, 2024 at 05:00 PM
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p.1 #3 · p.1 #3 · Z8 White Balance Experience


Factory reset


Feb 12, 2024 at 05:00 PM
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p.1 #4 · p.1 #4 · Z8 White Balance Experience


You didn't happen to somehow accidentally shift the tint in the WB fine tune? Nikon DSLRs have historically always been more green tinted than other brands; this has mostly been mitigated with the mirrorless cameras however I still use a .5% magenta shift on my Z9.


Feb 12, 2024 at 05:08 PM
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p.1 #5 · p.1 #5 · Z8 White Balance Experience


Calibrated monitor (appears in camera and on computer), no adjustments to the white balance, never use UV filters.

I first noticed it at a shoot last weekend. Even in daylight I was getting it. Then during the week at home in studio on a white backdrop--same thing. This weekend I shot two events, and every single image needed a tint correction.

I do shoot grey cards in studio, but only to correct in post.

I tried Scotts suggestion and have done a reset. Will be able to test in a bit.



Feb 12, 2024 at 06:20 PM
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Mine is always blue. No matter what profile or white balance.

Scott also suggested a reset. Seems to have worked for the more extreme blue I was having.

It was odd that when I restored my settings I changed nothing and it seems better. But Iíll need to do some more shooting as I havenít had the time since the reset.



Feb 12, 2024 at 06:26 PM
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p.1 #7 · p.1 #7 · Z8 White Balance Experience


Yup. Reset seems to have fixed it. Odd that just making basic setting adjustments from factory would have messed something up, but it seems to be the case.


Feb 12, 2024 at 08:53 PM
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newyork wrote:
Mine is always blue. No matter what profile or white balance.

Scott also suggested a reset. Seems to have worked for the more extreme blue I was having.

It was odd that when I restored my settings I changed nothing and it seems better. But Iíll need to do some more shooting as I havenít had the time since the reset.


Interesting that you should say this. Just this weekend a group of us were shooting strobe in a very mixed lighting situation. Daylight, 5600K strobe, and LED lights. It was not a situation where we could lower ambient exposure to eliminate it from the exposure. Rather we were using the strobe to highlight the subject.

Both my A1, and another guy who was shooting a Z9 were getting unattractive inaccurate colors. We even tried doing custom color balance with a X-Rite grey card. There was also some uneven exposure happening. I switched my A1 to mechanical shutter and my issues cleaned up nicely. Great exposures, accurate colors and skin tones. The Z9 was unable to do this as it doesn't have a mechanical shutter.

I am not sure how electronic shutter caused this, but it seems it did under those circumstances.



Feb 12, 2024 at 08:59 PM
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p.1 #9 · p.1 #9 · Z8 White Balance Experience


Not white balance related, but I recently had a problem with my Z8 strangely appear and then fix up with a "reset." At some point in the last few months I started having very inconsistent AF, in spite of the AF system working very nicely before that. I also found that I was getting a sort of "grain" or unusual noise with many photos - maybe just a function of things not being well focused? Or maybe something else. Regardless, when I updated to firmware 2.0, the whole thing resolved. This is in spite of my backing up and reloading the settings so that all of the settings are as before.


Feb 12, 2024 at 10:21 PM
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This topic got me thinking about something I've been wondering about but haven't managed to find a good source on: where exactly do the tint settings come from for a given photo/camera?

For instance, most things I find out there say that the tiny (green/magenta) only really applies to some forms of artificial light and that for natural light it shouldn't really be a factor. I've also watched a number of videos from people who shoot using Kelvin temperature whose photos are starting out at a 0 on the tint slider and rarely need much adjustment. However, any photos I take with auto-white balance are always coming in with some tint dialed in (usually some kind of +magenta) and if I choose a white balance like "daylight" or "cloudy" or whatever then that, too, assigns a +magenta. If I ever do try to set the green/magenta slider to zero the photo has a clear and fairly strong color cast - this in spite of all those article saying natural light usually doesn't require it and all the people shooting Kelvin who have a zero on the tint slider and get great looking coloring with it.

So where exactly does that tint setting come from? Why do my Z8's "shady" or "daylight" WB settings assign some kind of shift on the tint, and how is that tint determined?



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SCoombs wrote:
This topic got me thinking about something I've been wondering about but haven't managed to find a good source on: where exactly do the tint settings come from for a given photo/camera?

For instance, most things I find out there say that the tiny (green/magenta) only really applies to some forms of artificial light and that for natural light it shouldn't really be a factor. I've also watched a number of videos from people who shoot using Kelvin temperature whose photos are starting out at a 0 on the tint slider and rarely need much adjustment. However, any photos I take
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It is a combination of the white balance set in camera and the profile applied by your editing software when imported.



Feb 12, 2024 at 11:45 PM
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1bwana1 wrote:
Interesting that you should say this. Just this weekend a group of us were shooting strobe in a very mixed lighting situation. Daylight, 5600K strobe, and LED lights. It was not a situation where we could lower ambient exposure to eliminate it from the exposure. Rather we were using the strobe to highlight the subject.

Both my A1, and another guy who was shooting a Z9 were getting unattractive inaccurate colors. We even tried doing custom color balance with a X-Rite grey card. There was also some uneven exposure happening. I switched my A1 to mechanical shutter and my issues cleaned
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Interestingly I had a similar experience this weekend with a9III and Zf.

Had a really hard time coming up with decent skin tones with the a9III in LR while the Zf through C1 Pro just nailed it.

Hardly a rigorous test so I wouldnít read too much into it though.

Cheers,
Bernard



Feb 13, 2024 at 06:29 AM
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bernardl wrote:
Interestingly I had a similar experience this weekend with a9III and Zf.

Had a really hard time coming up with decent skin tones with the a9III in LR while the Zf through C1 Pro just nailed it.

Hardly a rigorous test so I wouldnít read too much into it though.

Cheers,
Bernard


Interesting. I shot an A9III in studio a week ago in very difficult mixed lighting and on the back of the camera the colors were very nice. It was a loaner from Sony so I never put one of my cards in the camera. I never developed any of the RAW files in LR. Maybe it is a profile thing.

I am sure you will find the right combination with your A9III as you learn it. Too many beautiful examples on line show the potential.

The guy with the Z9 wasn't knowledgeable about shooting with lights. Predictably he is a bird shooter. I am not experienced in shooting the Z9 with lights. So most likely it is user deficiencies. Again too many good examples of portraits with the Z9 to be otherwise.


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Feb 13, 2024 at 07:05 AM
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1bwana1 wrote:
Interesting. I shot an A9III in studio a week ago in very difficult mixed lighting and on the back of the camera the colors were very nice. I never put one of my cards in the camera so never developed the RAW files in LR. Maybe it is a profile thing.

I am sure you will find the right combination with your A9III as you learn it. Too many beautiful examples on line show the potential.


The a9III is great, AF works beautifully and colors are overall much improved compared to the a9II.

And I havenít touched LR since I sold my H6D-100c 3-4 years ago so my usage is definitely not optimal.

But I ended up converting that series to B&W. 🤣

Cheers,
Bernard




Feb 13, 2024 at 07:14 AM
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bernardl wrote:
The a9III is great, AF works beautifully and colors are overall much improved compared to the a9II.

And I havenít touched LR since I sold my H6D-100c 3-4 years ago so my usage is definitely not optimal.

But I ended up converting that series to B&W. 🤣

Cheers,
Bernard



B&W is always a good solution to color problems.



Feb 13, 2024 at 07:20 AM
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p.1 #16 · p.1 #16 · Z8 White Balance Experience


Glad to see a thread about Z8 user error ended up being YET ANOTHER pissing match about the A9iii. Well done.


Feb 13, 2024 at 08:22 AM
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p.1 #17 · p.1 #17 · Z8 White Balance Experience


I read this more as a discussion about a possible mysterious effect of the absence of shutter on colors.

Have there been many pissing contests about the a9III? As far as I am aware I am the only FM Nikon user owning one and my impressions have been extremely positive (and the resulting comments as well). Maybe not as positive as those of one famous Sony users who apparently sees in this camera the solution to famine, cancer and aging. But as far as a device aimed at taking photographs my view is that the a9III is brilliant.

Cheers,
Bernard



Feb 13, 2024 at 12:13 PM
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bernardl wrote:
Maybe not as positive as those of one famous Sony users who apparently sees in this camera the solution to famine, cancer and aging.

Cheers,
Bernard


Maybe not currently, but there are rumors that this is coming in a future free firmware update.



Feb 13, 2024 at 02:01 PM
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He he he.


Feb 13, 2024 at 03:11 PM
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nhmorgan wrote:
I've started running into a problem with the Z8 that I've never encountered before. I sold my z8 a while back and started using just the z9. I decided I missed the smaller body and went back to the z8 with a new body. Since using the new body, I'm experiencing consistency green tinted white balance using auto white balance that needs correcting in post. It's not crazy green or anything, but definitely off in the green direction. I didn't have this experience with any other nikon body I've used. Has anyone had this experience or any ideas what might
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To get rid of that green tint you might try >AutoColor or >AutoTone in the >Image dropdown.



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