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p.1 #1 · p.1 #1 · Wildlife lens choice for R7


I've been spending most of my time shooting wildlife with the R7 and RF 100-500. I like the combo, but recently my gf has taken an interest in wildlife as well and she is loving the 100-500 on her R6.

I'm stuck in a situation where I could either buy another one or try to find a 200-800 in stock somewhere in the next few months. I don't really know if I want that lens due to the weight. I also don't know if I want to buy another 100-500 because it's expensive.

Can anyone suggest any longer lens alternatives? Would an older EF lens be a better option?

I am always at the long end of the lens as It doesn't seem long enough most of the time. 600/11 & 800/11 seem pretty slow. Anyone else in this situation that's found a good (cheaper) alternative to buying another RF 100-500?



Feb 11, 2024 at 07:26 AM
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The EF 100-400 would work, but with a teleconverter and adapter it would be practically as heavy as the 200-800.


Feb 11, 2024 at 08:16 AM
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The R7+100-500 was my wildlife/BIF setup last season. It was a superb combination with the 160-800mm field of view. Perfect for me. I would say that there is no alternative that is even close to that setup, especially if you live at the long end.

You would like the f/11īs in good light. Especially the 600/11 is very small and light for its focal length. The main problem when getting to these levels of magnification is temperature shimmer. The lenses are sharp alright, but the images are not. A pure pain in the hindsight.

Because of its low price, very light weight and a colour not screaming L-lens, the RF 100-400 is all too often overlooked. From experience I can tell that it is super nice to use and very often brings the goods home! On the R7 it has a 160-640mm Fov. But on the fullframe R6 is would be incredibly handy! Perhaps you grandfather would keep her hands of your 100-500!?!! (Genders, who knows these days?)

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Feb 11, 2024 at 08:47 AM
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p.1 #4 · p.1 #4 · Wildlife lens choice for R7


A EF 400 F4 DO II is a great lens. Fast small easily handhold able, takes the EF TC 1.4 V III really well. I still use it a lot even with owning the RF 100-500, RF400 f 2.8 and RF 600 f4

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Feb 11, 2024 at 08:49 AM
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Well, you could "liberate" the 100-500 from your GF and buy an RF 100-400 for her to use instead. She may find the smaller, lighter kit more appealing (or not, if she thinks you are patronizing her, haha).

Many photographers here use the RF 1.4x TC with the 100-500 a bit of extra reach is needed, though your R7 already provides extra reach due to the high-density crop sensor.

If the above option is not possible, and you are serious about shooting wildlife on a budget, you might consider investing in a used EF 500 f/4L IS prime + TC, and an EF 70-300L to pair with it. Both those lenses are superb and are selling at very appealing prices recently. Carrying a supertele is a commitment, though, and Canon no longer services that model. (Third party service options are likely available, however.) You can splurge and "upgrade" the 70-300 to the 100-400 II. Not any better optically (IME), but maybe a bit faster AF. Heavier though.

If that is overkill, and the 100-500 is not long enough, then maybe you want to hold out for a 200-800.

Edit: I didn't suggest the 400 DO II since you seemed to want more reach, but I agree that is a great choice with a lot of flexibility on a crop body.



Feb 11, 2024 at 08:56 AM
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We went to a camera store and she wasn't too impressed with the 100-400. I did initially want to go that route, but I suppose there is some appeal to just having one of the big white lenses.

I did take a hard look at the 400 DO II, but I've never used one and I didn't know if I was ready to take the plunge into the more expensive alternatives. At least for my budget.

I've so often made the mistake of starting out with the consumer grade lenses and then selling those and making my way up to higher grade options.

I think she's more or less taken over the 100-500. So I guess the task I have now is to find a suitable, possibly better, solution for me.

Do the old EF lenses work with the new RF 1.4x tc? I'm guessing not.

I didn't find the quality was great on the 100-500 + RF 1.4x with my R7. I really have only used it once, so I probably need a more time to experiment. I think it's probably becoming difficult to hand hold at these ranges.

I am mostly shooting waterfowl and the parks we have here, I just can't seem to get close enough to fill the frame.



Feb 11, 2024 at 09:29 AM
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robbyphoto wrote:
I am mostly shooting waterfowl and the parks we have here...


Since it sounds like you are doing local, targeted, daylight outings, I'd suggest renting a 600 f11 and giving it a try. Otherwise it's back to the 100-500. I have both the RF 100-400 and 100-500 and really like the portable reach of the R7 + 100-400 provide. But then when I'm out locally I don't have specific targets in mind. On real wildlife trips I use the R5 with the 100-500 and my wife uses the R7. Haven't felt the need for 1.4x so far. YMMV as they say.



Feb 11, 2024 at 10:13 AM
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robbyphoto wrote:
We went to a camera store and she wasn't too impressed with the 100-400. I did initially want to go that route, but I suppose there is some appeal to just having one of the big white lenses.

I did take a hard look at the 400 DO II, but I've never used one and I didn't know if I was ready to take the plunge into the more expensive alternatives. At least for my budget.

I've so often made the mistake of starting out with the consumer grade lenses and then selling those and making my way up to higher grade
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One of the challenges with extreme focal lengths is atmospheric disturbance. (A 500mm lens with a 1.4x TC gives an effective FOV of 1,120mm on the R7.) With waterfowl this can show up in non-obvious situations, due to the temperature differential between the water and the air at certain times of day.

Another factor can be shutter shock or the potential for it. You can eliminate this by sticking to electronic shutter, though you will risk rolling shutter effects if panning.

I'd suggest testing out that combo in controlled conditions so you can be certain that it works. I've seen others post good results with it here though.



Feb 11, 2024 at 10:13 AM
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I'd like to get more serious about my wildlife photography. Investing in the slower f11 lenses at this point feels like a step in the wrong direction. I have only used them in the camera store, so my experience of course limited. Every time we go out I'm learning something new, so that's a plus. I know having only one "long" lens right now is very limiting for two people. =)


Feb 11, 2024 at 10:19 AM
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Good point about atmospheric disturbances. I'm still learning about stuff like this. I feel that the 100-500 + 1.4tc on the R7 is probably a fine setup. I just need to learn how to utilize it better. I'm sure I'm the limiting factor here. We have an opportunity to photograph some eagles, but they are a bit far away. I'm going to try my setup on a tripod and see if I get some better results. Just as an aside. I appreciate all the advice.


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It looks like you only have consumer options in the 100-400 or the 600/800 f11 which are all great for what they are and the price. Without going to expensive super telephotos, the RF 100-500 is the only option. At least it is a good option. Having 2 of them is not a problem if you need to good setups. Canon as of now has this lens replacing a a whole host of previous EF telephoto primes and zoom lenses.


Feb 11, 2024 at 11:34 AM
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There is no magic solution to your problem, other than getting a new girlfriend.

She should be using an RF 100-400 with or without a 1.4x TC.


Taken with a 2x TC:




  Canon EOS R6m2    RF100-400mm F5.6-8 IS USM + EXTENDER RF2x lens    473mm    f/16.0    1/250s    5000 ISO    +0.5 EV  




Feb 11, 2024 at 01:16 PM
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I have the R5, R7, RF 100-400, RF 100-500mm and now the RF 200-800 as well. My experience is that the RF 100-400 goes very well with the R7. The RF 100-500mm, which you have used, is stellar on the R7. The long end of the RF 200-800 isn't really up to the R7 sensor and starts petering out after 600mm or so, but would be really good on the R6. So, suggest one of you uses the R7/100-500 and the other the R6/200-800. The 200-800 is heavy, so maybe it's for you.


Feb 11, 2024 at 02:22 PM
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600/11 & 800/11 seem pretty slow.

Maybe someone could chime in with guidance on telephoto minimum apertures for DOF for small, close birds. What I think I am learning is that I'm not getting sufficient DOF for small birds close, or large birds at longer distances. The DOF is so narrow it is hard to find the zone of critical focus and the whole image looks soft. I'm currently experimenting shooting at f13 for DOF, especially for small but close birds. [Robbie, I posted a link on your R5 thread to photos taken at Magee Marsh where I used a Sigma 500mm f/4 to optimize for ISO and noise. If you look again at those, you might notice that several could have benefitted from greater DOF.]



Feb 11, 2024 at 02:40 PM
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the RF 200-800 seems not to balance well with the R7 since it is so large and the R7 body is relatively small with no option for a grip, if you consider a monopod or some support then not that big a deal. Also, as said previously, the R7 sensor is very harsh on otherwise strong lenses and can show there shortcomings easily


Feb 11, 2024 at 04:09 PM
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I've been thinking of getting an R7 and RF 100-400 for my wife, to replace her "old" Panasonic G95. It would be for casual birds and wildlife shooting, and I think she would really benefit from the Canon AF system - and it's not terribly expensive if she ends up not using it very much.

We're planning a whale-watching trip next month, and I don't believe the RF 100-400 lens is weather-sealed. I wonder if that will be an issue out on the boat?



Feb 11, 2024 at 05:33 PM
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molson wrote:
I've been thinking of getting an R7 and RF 100-400 for my wife, to replace her "old" Panasonic G95. It would be for casual birds and wildlife shooting, and I think she would really benefit from the Canon AF system - and it's not terribly expensive if she ends up not using it very much.

We're planning a whale-watching trip next month, and I don't believe the RF 100-400 lens is weather-sealed. I wonder if that will be an issue out on the boat?


I got the R7 and RF 100-400mm for my wife and she loves them as they are so light and give good results. I frequently borrow them as they are so much easier to hike with. Whale watching boats Iíve been donít get wet on deck. I carry a supermarket plastic bag in a pocket if showers are in the offing to put over the camera and lens.



Feb 11, 2024 at 05:46 PM
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cpe1991 wrote:
I got the R7 and RF 100-400mm for my wife and she loves them as they are so light and give good results. I frequently borrow them as they are so much easier to hike with. Whale watching boats Iíve been donít get wet on deck. I carry a supermarket plastic bag in a pocket if showers are in the offing to put over the camera and lens.


Thanks. I can't believe we've lived out here on the coast for nearly seven years already, and have never gone whale-watching...



Feb 11, 2024 at 05:56 PM
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molson wrote:
I've been thinking of getting an R7 and RF 100-400 for my wife... We're planning a whale-watching trip next month, and I don't believe the RF 100-400 lens is weather-sealed.


cpe1991 wrote:
I got the R7 and RF 100-400mm for my wife and she loves them as they are so light and give good results. I frequently borrow them as they are so much easier to hike with. Whale watching boats Iíve been donít get wet on deck. I carry a supermarket plastic bag in a pocket if showers are in the offing to put over the camera and lens.


I second CPE's response. We just got back from a Lindblad whale watching cruise in Magdalena Bay. I was using an R5 + 100-500 and my wife an R7 with both 18-150 and 100-400 RF. She actually used the 18-150 more than the 100-400 because it was too strong for her. But she got many excellent captures.

My wife's travel kit is R7, 10-18, 18-150, and 100-400. She is very happy with the weight. She leaves the 100-400 home if it's not a wildlife trip. I like the kit for local hiking as it covers all the bases. The new RF 10-18 is not really tested yet as it's just new, but it's much lighter than the EF-S version. Both the 18-150 and 100-400 focus quite close and handle the R7's resolution without problem. Don't know what you're coming from but focus stacking and panorama modes are a delight compared to the DSLR bodies.

I originally purchased the R7 to replace my M6II. It soon replaced three bodies, my wife's 77D, my 80D and the M6II and its lenses. The RF STM lenses are quite light and capable compared to their EF counterparts. I still use the EF-s 35 and 60 macros as there is no equivalent. I had hopes the 10-18 would be the equivalent of the EF-M 11-22 but it was not to be.

As for weather sealing, It rained on us heavily one day, I know "in Baja??". The R7 under a jacket did fine. I wouldn't take it swimming but I wouldn't be paranoid either. It's a great light weight kit. Be sure to consider the 18-150 as part of the kit!



Feb 11, 2024 at 07:31 PM
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Jeff Nolten wrote:
I second CPE's response. We just got back from a Lindblad whale watching cruise in Magdalena Bay. I was using an R5 + 100-500 and my wife an R7 with both 18-150 and 100-400 RF. She actually used the 18-150 more than the 100-400 because it was too strong for her. But she got many excellent captures.

My wife's travel kit is R7, 10-18, 18-150, and 100-400. She is very happy with the weight. She leaves the 100-400 home if it's not a wildlife trip. I like the kit for local hiking as it covers all the bases. The new
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I think the rules here are the boats (Zodiacs) can't come any closer than 100m from the whales, so I assume a longer lens would be more useful.

I'll be taking my Z8 and 180-600mm zoom, but Nikon doesn't have anything like the R7 in their system.



Feb 11, 2024 at 08:14 PM
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