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I don't shoot people much and was wondering lens folks would recommend for people shots, typically indoors but also in outdoor settings. Mostly portraits rather than groups.

The 24-105f4 is great but I prefer the 85f1.8 because it gives more separation. However it is a bit long for use indoors.

So options I am thinking about are the 24-70f2.8 or 50f1.8 or 35f1.8. The f1.4s are a little overkill for me.

The 24-105 is about as big physically as I would be prepared to go - it seems the 24-70f2.8 is much the same size and weight.

Another option is the Tamron 35-150 f2-f2.8 - I have the 70-200f2.8 - and I think both will be too big physically to be unobtrusive for this type of use.

So I am undecided over the 35/50 or the 24-70. I think that perhaps the lack of flexibility of the primes may be a pain in the *rs* long term and I will end up regretting trying to use the primes.

On the other hand the 50mm is so cheap it probably doesn't matter and might well prove to be better than the 85, at least indoors.

Will I find the primes to inflexible or can one 'make do', and if so which is the better focal length to use.

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Feb 09, 2024 at 08:58 PM
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I sometimes use a 20mm inside for family pictures. Maybe I just have too small of rooms. I need some room for 35mm primes, but they are certainly much wider than a 50mm or an 85mm -- even a wide one like the FE 1.8/85. I used the Samyang AF 35mm F1.4 on Christmas, and it did fine. I could have used the Sigma 35mm F2 DG DN C which is a bit wider, but I wanted some F1.4 excess.

If you care about AF performance the FE 1.8/35 is about the best, and the FE 1.8/50 is about the worst. I am not much of a fan of the rendering of the 1.8/35, but it is ok. I like the FE 1.8/50 but kept the Sigma 45mm F2.8 DG DN C instead.

I'd think the FE 4/20-70 G would be pretty good. I tried the old FE 4/24-70 ZA once, and quite liked its size and weight. The Sigma 28-70mm F2.8 DG DN C is lovely. I am sure those big zooms might be fine. I rarely ever use the 4/24-105 G OSS because of its size and weight.



Feb 09, 2024 at 09:56 PM
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QuietOC wrote:
I sometimes use a 20mm inside for family pictures. Maybe I just have too small of rooms. I need some room for 35mm primes, but they are certainly much wider than a 50mm or an 85mm -- even a wide one like the FE 1.8/85. I used the Samyang AF 35mm F1.4 on Christmas, and it did fine. I could have used the Sigma 35mm F2 DG DN C which is a bit wider, but I wanted some F1.4 excess.

If you care about AF performance the FE 1.8/35 is about the best, and the FE 1.8/50 is about the worst.
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Actually I have the 20mm but I use that for night skies. I figured that would be too wide. I guess I should just put the 24-105 on 35mm and see how that works for framing the majority of situations.

I didn't even think about AF performance - I just assumed they would all perform equally well. I doubt I will be worrying too much about focus on the iris or eyelids. Its only swallows that I worry about sharp eyelids :-)



Feb 10, 2024 at 06:27 AM
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duncang wrote:
I don't shoot people much and was wondering lens folks would recommend for people shots, typically indoors but also in outdoor settings. Mostly portraits rather than groups.

The 24-105f4 is great but I prefer the 85f1.8 because it gives more separation. However it is a bit long for use indoors.

So options I am thinking about are the 24-70f2.8 or 50f1.8 or 35f1.8. The f1.4s are a little overkill for me.

The 24-105 is about as big physically as I would be prepared to go - it seems the 24-70f2.8 is much the same size and weight.

Another option is the Tamron 35-150
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The lens/camera combination that I currently prefer for my own family pictures is the Sony 40/2.5 G mounted on an A7CII body. In what follows, I am thinking of pictures of one's own family--if you are talking about paid shoots of other people's families, then the following advice is probably not pertinent for you.

The 40/2.5 G is a very fine lens optically with very lovely rendering. It is wide enough to capture group interactions indoors but does not distort faces/bodies as much as a 35mm is prone to do, and so it can be effectively used for individual portraits that appear natural but have also have contour and unflattened space. It focuses quickly and quietly. I personally prefer a prime for candid social situations because I find the endless adjusting of a zoom tends to make me pay too much attention to the lens and not enough to the very fleeting moments and expressions that make a family picture more than a snapshot. I save my zooms for landscapes and other images whose subjects don't change quickly.

The 40/2.5 G is also a very small and light lens, which makes it ideal for mounting on a smaller camera body. In my experience, family members really do find a smaller lens/body less intrusive and less intimidating than larger gear, and the smallness/lightness makes it easy for you to keep it with you and to take along as family activities unfold. Mounted on an A7CII, the lens/body combination is small, light, has very fast and reliable autofocus, smooth handling, excellent colors, is good at higher ISOs, and gives a healthy sized file.

I do vary my lenses and cameras for family shooting, but this is the combination I have been happiest with and have gotten excellent candid shots from.

I also like the 50/2.5 G, which has similar characteristics but, obviously, is tighter and brings you in more intimately. But the 50/2.5 G is a bit more limited in framing indoor shots. The Samyang 45/1.8 tiny lens, right between the other two in terms of FOV, is also very much worth considering, especially for it lovely rendering and wider aperture. I use it pretty much interchangeably with the 40/2.5 G, especially when the light is more likely to be dim. These three on the A7CII are my current favorites for family pictures.




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Feb 10, 2024 at 09:39 AM
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p.1 #5 · p.1 #5 · Lens suggestion for family pictures


I have answered this question before:

https://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/1826447/0#16353753

Family photography is the main thing I shoot these days.

I sold my EF 16-35 for the FE 16-35G, in fact I used it for indoor posed family photography all of today along with a AD600 strobe and a big umbrella softbox.

I didn’t have the energy to wrangle the kid and a second softbox, but that would have been more optimal to cross light the group photos

When using the strobe my aperture is usually f/5.6-11. The 16-35 is also great for video work of kids, and for hybrid photography where you switch continuously between video and photo modes.

For available light photography I use a 24/1.4 and 35/1.4, I sold my 55za because the 35GM is as sharp in apsc mode.

For outdoor portraits and kids sports / playground / swimming I use a 70-200GMii

This kit is designed to reduce the total number of lenses as much as possible. I had FF EF mount glass that I did not replace with Sony glass: 15, 17, 40, 50, 90, 135, 24-105/4 and 28-75/2.8 were not replaced.

I initially planned to get a 50/65mm and a 135GM, but the 70-200/2.8GMii is… incredibly good, too good to pass up

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Feb 10, 2024 at 09:52 AM
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chiron wrote:

The lens/camera combination that I currently prefer for family pictures is the Sony 40/2.5 G mounted on an A7CII body.

The 40/2.5 G is a very fine lens optically with very lovely rendering. It is wide enough to capture group interactions indoors but does not distort faces/bodies as much as a 35mm is prone to do, and so it can be effectively used for individual portraits that appear natural but have also have contour and unflattened space. It focuses quickly and quietly. I personally prefer a prime for candid social situations because I find the endless adjusting of a zoom
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When you have a softboxes more than a meter wide, nobody is thinking about the lens size 😂



Feb 10, 2024 at 10:03 AM
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For me, indoors family photography limits the focal range quite much. It's just difficult to find space to use 85mm easily for example. That's why I'd recommend something wider: 24, 35 or 50 mm. They don't give the classical portrait look but are a lot more flexible and also allow you to include more of the surroundings (though indoors that's not always needed).
I don't know what you meant by saying 1.4 is overkill. Unless that was meant financially, I'd reconsider (and even then there are 3rd party 1.4 options on the cheaper side). Large aperture gives you more separation and that's important for me indoors, when I'm constrained with framing. That's why I wanted to suggest 50/1.2GM as the absolute best of the best, but I agree that's an overkill for sporadic use (the size/weight is still reasonable though).
Maybe you're going to shoot with flash, then indeed a zoom should be alright and large aperture would not help with AF and ISO that much...



Feb 10, 2024 at 10:07 AM
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I would suggest either the 24-70GMii or the 50/1.4GM.

The 24-70 is excellent for all kinds of family photography from large groups to single portraits. You won’t regret it. It’s also perfect for one lens travel or landscape.

The 50/1.4GM would also be terrific for what you want. It’s plenty wide indoors. I’ve taken an *indoor* family group shot of 25 people with my 50/1.2GM and it worked perfectly. You just get creative where to shoot. For portraits of individuals, you already have the 85/1.8 (which is great), but you can also use the 50/1.4 in crop mode for portraits which gives you an equivalent 75/2. Portraits with my 50/1.2 in crop mode are terrific (equivalent 75/1.8).



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mudlake wrote:
I would suggest either the 24-70GMii or the 50/1.4GM.

The 24-70 is excellent for all kinds of family photography from large groups to single portraits. You won’t regret it. It’s also perfect for one lens travel or landscape.

The 50/1.4GM would also be terrific for what you want. It’s plenty wide indoors. I’ve taken an *indoor* family group shot of 25 people with my 50/1.2GM and it worked perfectly. You just get creative where to shoot. For portraits of individuals, you already have the 85/1.8 (which is great), but you can also use the 50/1.4 in crop mode for portraits
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Both are very good lenses, but a 50mm means you need about 4.5m for a full body shot in landscape mode. For your 25 person group portrait I estimate you need to have about 6m… that’s a rather large indoor space.



Feb 10, 2024 at 11:10 AM
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duncang wrote:
I don't shoot people much and was wondering lens folks would recommend for people shots, typically indoors but also in outdoor settings. Mostly portraits rather than groups.

The 24-105f4 is great but I prefer the 85f1.8 because it gives more separation. However it is a bit long for use indoors.

So options I am thinking about are the 24-70f2.8 or 50f1.8 or 35f1.8. The f1.4s are a little overkill for me.

The 24-105 is about as big physically as I would be prepared to go - it seems the 24-70f2.8 is much the same size and weight.

Another option is the Tamron 35-150
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you already have the 24-105 do you find yourself using 35 or 50mm etc much?

I'm not a big bokeh shooter so I'd probably just use the lens you already have. I got irritated a bit using alt 50/1.8 a few years ago, hard to get rid of a bg vs 85mm imo 24 70 at 2.8 isn't likely to do much, there, either. 85/1.8 & 70-200/2.8 bread and butter portrait lenses, you already have great gear

A,flash having bounce and swivel or a cord could be an advantage more than a lens. I liked 18-135 iso 1600 on 30D years ago indoors for family, if you think I'm crazy recommending 24 105 it sounds close to what I used + ff is an advantage.



Feb 10, 2024 at 11:25 AM
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aCuria wrote:
Both are very good lenses, but a 50mm means you need about 4.5m for a full body shot in landscape mode. For your 25 person group portrait I estimate you need to have about 6m… that’s a rather large indoor space.


Yep. Family in the living room and my tripod on the kitchen table. 🙂. Won’t always work with every home/apartment. 24-70/2.8 much more flexible, but the 50/1.2 or 50/1.4 are always a top choice.



Feb 10, 2024 at 01:11 PM
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mudlake wrote:
Yep. Family in the living room and my tripod on the kitchen table. 🙂. Won’t always work with every home/apartment. 24-70/2.8 much more flexible, but the 50/1.2 or 50/1.4 are always a top choice.


Your indoor working distance is abnormally big 😂 I don’t think your experiences here translates into most indoor spaces

Regarding the group shot doesn’t a 50mm necessitate larger softboxes and more powerful strobes to get the same results? The softboxes have to be pushed further back from the group to accommodate the use of a 50mm, lest they end up in the frame. I usually set up my strobes first (as close as possible) before figuring out what focal length to use. It’s not uncommon for me to use 16mm!








Feb 11, 2024 at 06:36 AM
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aCuria wrote:
Your indoor working distance is abnormally big 😂 I don’t think your experiences here translates into most indoor spaces

Regarding the group shot doesn’t a 50mm necessitate larger softboxes and more powerful strobes to get the same results? The softboxes have to be pushed further back from the group to accommodate the use of a 50mm, lest they end up in the frame. I usually set up my strobes first (as close as possible) before figuring out what focal length to use. It’s not uncommon for me to use 16mm!


Just saw your response. Here’s the photo I took. The home was modest in size and the kitchen and living room were connected without intervening walls, so I did have space, but shot as high up as I could to maximize depth of field with the camera tilted down so the faces were in the plane of focus. Not a large home by any stretch, maybe 1500 square feet. I don’t shoot professionally and don’t have any lighting equipment, so I’m sure you’re right about the soft boxes. On the day our extended family gathered for dinner, all I had was the 50/1.2 and made it work!🙂

*We left the tv on in the background on purpose since it was around Christmas and Home Alone 2 had been playing and this character is one of our favorites and everyone wanted him in the photo. 🙂





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Feb 11, 2024 at 10:03 PM
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j4nu wrote:
For me, indoors family photography limits the focal range quite much. It's just difficult to find space to use 85mm easily for example. That's why I'd recommend something wider: 24, 35 or 50 mm. They don't give the classical portrait look but are a lot more flexible and also allow you to include more of the surroundings (though indoors that's not always needed).
I don't know what you meant by saying 1.4 is overkill. Unless that was meant financially, I'd reconsider (and even then there are 3rd party 1.4 options on the cheaper side). Large aperture gives you more separation and
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No, no flash.

I meant overkill for me for private family shots, f1.8 seems to be good enough in terms of using available light and separation for me, at least on the 85mm. F/4 not so much.

Of course I could always resort to a silent 32 image composite RAW as an alternative to more light.

No plan to do paid shoots - I have a day job already !

Anyway thanks, that seems to confirm my initial thoughts of somewhere in the 35 - 50 mm range.



Feb 12, 2024 at 12:03 AM
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mudlake wrote:
Just saw your response. Here’s the photo I took. The home was modest in size and the kitchen and living room were connected without intervening walls, so I did have space, but shot as high up as I could to maximize depth of field with the camera tilted down so the faces were in the plane of focus. Not a large home by any stretch, maybe 1500 square feet. I don’t shoot professionally and don’t have any lighting equipment, so I’m sure you’re right about the soft boxes. On the day our extended family gathered for dinner, all I had
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Nice shot!

Tilting the plane of focus is an interesting idea to get around the lack of light.

1500sqft is considered particularly large in my city, the median is 650-1000 😂



Feb 12, 2024 at 07:22 PM







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