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Voigtlander 28mm f/1.5 Nokton Review

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p.8 #1 · p.8 #1 · Voigtlander 28mm f/1.5 Nokton Review

pinewood wrote:
Thanks for that. I only have matte black and was curious how that would look. Very torn between black paint and silver chrome.

BP always has higher resale value.

Jan 27, 2024 at 07:55 PM

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p.8 #2 · p.8 #2 · Voigtlander 28mm f/1.5 Nokton Review

Since most of the images are of the V2 so far, here's one of the V1 on an M11M. The B+W UV filter's rim matches the aperture and focus ring pretty well. This combo weighs in at 837 grams (~1.8 lbs) with the battery.

Jan 27, 2024 at 08:24 PM

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p.8 #3 · p.8 #3 · Voigtlander 28mm f/1.5 Nokton Review

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Some more samples, this time on the Leica M11 Monochrom. I am really digging this lens for the tonality and sharpness, let alone OOF characteristics and 3D pop. Great work by Voigtlander to give us something that's essentially 99% of the Summilux at 1/8 th the price. Samples are largely either wide open or at f/5.6 to f/8 for the "landscape looks"

Slight crop and rotate below

Jan 27, 2024 at 09:03 PM

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p.8 #4 · p.8 #4 · Voigtlander 28mm f/1.5 Nokton Review

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Samples (Portraits 2)
Portraits capturing the midsection and full body.

LEICA M10-R Voigtlander 28mm f/1.5 Nokton lens 28mm f/1.0 1/350s 100 ISO 0.0 EV

LEICA M10-R Voigtlander 28mm f/1.5 Nokton lens 28mm f/1.0 1/350s 100 ISO 0.0 EV

LEICA M10-R Voigtlander 28mm f/1.5 Nokton lens 28mm f/1.0 1/350s 100 ISO 0.0 EV

Jan 27, 2024 at 11:02 PM

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p.8 #5 · p.8 #5 · Voigtlander 28mm f/1.5 Nokton Review

I will say, having taken out the lens for 4 separate shoots in 2 days, is that it handles well, has short (90 deg or so) focus throw, and focuses right out of the box perfectly (perfect infinit and closer focus). The lens is well dampened, and overall, I am very pleased and will move forward with this lens as my primary 28. Hoping to get proper portrait shots here shorly.

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Jan 27, 2024 at 11:15 PM

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p.8 #6 · p.8 #6 · Voigtlander 28mm f/1.5 Nokton Review

Fred Miranda wrote:
Samples (Portraits 2)
Portraits capturing the midsection and full body.

great photos, Fred. We have a 15 year old. They grow up so fast. Mine won't tolerate photos (often). I have been chasing her around today, and she moves faster than I can focus haha

Jan 27, 2024 at 11:18 PM

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p.8 #7 · p.8 #7 · Voigtlander 28mm f/1.5 Nokton Review

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It's definitely a contender for me, to be my first Voigt. There has always been some "poison(s)" to my dismay about some other Voigts. Not to say this one is perfect, but the things I don't like ... are pretty small-ish, and the size is pretty smallish (i.e. better corrected abberrations), too (for f/1.4). Now, about that front silver ring, never been a fan, but ...

Imo, it's non-FLE (vs. the Lux) construction gives it a rendering that sits a bit between a Lux and an Elmarit, yet not a Cron.

I thought I was looking for a Cron...Show more →

I've been going through these Summilux vs. Nokton images enough ... it just struck me that I really don't need to see the Nokton vs. the others. The Nokton vs. Summilux are SO CLOSE that just comparing the differences of a Summilux (as a reference point) vs. the Q / Cron / Ultron (i.e. historical comparisons that already exist), should give a clue how the Nokton compares to those other lenses.

In some instances, the comps of the Nokton ... imo, are "preferred" (i.e. I didn't say "better") over the Summilux. But, even there, the magnitude of "preference" ... either for / against is a very narrow margin of difference.

The physical size difference of the Nokton looks smaller ... makes me wonder how the vignetting difference is. Imo, Voigtlander has had a tendency to have a very small area the "qualifies" as their stated aperture, with some strong vignetting sometimes. That's about the last thing I can think of that might separate the two ... more than the comps have shown so far. If the vignetting comes out as close as they have on everything else ... (i.e. quid pro quo's) ... the only thing left to do is

and decide between Type I vs. Type II vs. Black vs. Silver vs. MC vs. SC.

Jan 27, 2024 at 11:25 PM

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p.8 #8 · p.8 #8 · Voigtlander 28mm f/1.5 Nokton Review

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I have been on a ton of business travel lately so tonight I was able to grab my 14 year old and go out for dinner-

I basically just grabbed my M-11 and put the 28 1.5 on it and carried with a strap. It wasn't a photo outing but snapped a pic here and there when it made sense.

First thing I really appreciated about this setup is for a 28 1.5, its tiny- I had no issues carrying on my side with just the peak design thin strap (forget what its called). Its substantial enough that its not to small but the handling of this as an all day carry that disappears is perfect.

The images below aren't meant to be anything special but just a few I snapped from a night out with my son- First impression is this lens is incredible. Really love the handling, the rendering on this lens, the bokeh is structured but not to busy. Plenty sharp- This thing is a winner and its a lens I can just put on my camera and forget about- That is my style of shooting. I hate notcing I have gear- The blending into my side is what I want out of a camera. Attach a strap and sort of just blend in and people only realize I have a camera when I pull it up.

All shot wide open-

LEICA M11 Summicron-M 1:2/28 ASPH. lens 28mm f/2.0 1/160s 250 ISO 0.0 EV

LEICA M11 Summicron-M 1:2/28 ASPH. lens 28mm f/2.8 1/160s 2000 ISO 0.0 EV

Dude Said- Rappers wear gold rings- I wear Onion Rings- BAHAHAHAHA

LEICA M11 Summicron-M 1:2/28 ASPH. lens 28mm f/3.4 1/125s 25000 ISO 0.0 EV

LEICA M11 Summicron-M 1:2/28 ASPH. lens 28mm f/2.0 1/160s 800 ISO 0.0 EV

LEICA M11 Summicron-M 1:2/28 ASPH. lens 28mm f/2.0 1/160s 4000 ISO 0.0 EV

LEICA M11 Summicron-M 1:2/28 ASPH. lens 28mm f/2.0 1/160s 10000 ISO 0.0 EV

LEICA M11 Summicron-M 1:2/28 ASPH. lens 28mm f/2.0 1/160s 8000 ISO 0.0 EV

LEICA M11 Summicron-M 1:2/28 ASPH. lens 28mm f/2.0 1/160s 10000 ISO 0.0 EV

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Jan 28, 2024 at 12:23 AM

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p.8 #9 · p.8 #9 · Voigtlander 28mm f/1.5 Nokton Review

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I have been on a ton of business travel lately so tonight I was able to grab my 14 year old and go out for dinner-

I basically just grabbed my M-11 and put the 28 1.5 on it and carried with a strap. It wasn't a photo outing but snapped a pic here and there when it made sense.

First thing I really appreciated about this setup is for a 28 1.5, its tiny- I had no issues carrying on my side with just the peak design thin strap (forget what its called). Its substantial enough that its not to...Show more →

Exactly how I use my M11 as an every day carry camera. Basically an interchangeable lens Q3.

Those are the kind of images that will still mean something to many people 50 years from now.

Jan 28, 2024 at 12:33 AM

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Jan 28, 2024 at 01:52 AM

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Hi, I also recently got a CV 28mm Nokton Type II Chrome version, I was very curious how it'll stack up against Leica. I compared it with a 35 Lux ASPH (Pre-FLE) as I do not have the 28 Lux with me. I tested both lenses on M9 (no live view) in a room. Curiously, at the same ISO, shutter speed and 1.5/(vs 1.4) aperture, the CV always appear darker, and it is more pronounced when the subject is backlit. I'll post a few images below later.

Jan 28, 2024 at 06:58 AM

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RustyRus wrote:
I have been on a ton of business travel lately so tonight I was able to grab my 14 year old and go out for dinner-

I basically just grabbed my M-11 and put the 28 1.5 on it and carried with a strap. It wasn't a photo outing but snapped a pic here and there when it made sense.

First thing I really appreciated about this setup is for a 28 1.5, its tiny- I had no issues carrying on my side with just the peak design thin strap (forget what its called). Its substantial enough that its not to...Show more →

Great images Rusty, nice onion bling he's got there

Jan 28, 2024 at 07:03 AM

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p.8 #13 · p.8 #13 · Voigtlander 28mm f/1.5 Nokton Review

The 35 Lux pre-FLE is the top, the CV 28 Nokton is the bottom one.

Jan 28, 2024 at 07:17 AM

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After applying the exact same adjustments to both images

Jan 28, 2024 at 07:19 AM

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Based on the above, I am not sure if the wider field of view might have 'tricked' my M9 to produce a darker image, since the camera is taking more scene in and needs to calculate lighting for a wider scene, but the shutter speed is always the same, so I am not sure if the CV has a lower light transmission than Leica?

Jan 28, 2024 at 07:22 AM

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The phenomenon becomes more pronounced when backlit:

Jan 28, 2024 at 07:27 AM

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p.8 #17 · p.8 #17 · Voigtlander 28mm f/1.5 Nokton Review

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First time out with the new lens, the camera is M10 Monochrome

Jan 28, 2024 at 07:38 AM

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p.8 #18 · p.8 #18 · Voigtlander 28mm f/1.5 Nokton Review

LeicaHermesBP wrote:
Based on the above, I am not sure if the wider field of view might have 'tricked' my M9 to produce a darker image, since the camera is taking more scene in and needs to calculate lighting for a wider scene, but the shutter speed is always the same, so I am not sure if the CV has a lower light transmission than Leica?

If the ISO was the same (640), the shutter speed was the same (1/60) and the aperture was the same (although reported as different in exif) f/1.5 (f/1.4) WO ... then, there's nothing to really be "tricked" that I can think of.

This kind of behavior in falloff is the exact thing I was referencing in my post above (p.8 #7), wrt to Voigtlander's signature characteristic vignetting being more pronounced (i.e. the smaller size of the lens than the Lux), such that the rated f/1.5 is limited to a very small, central portion of the scene. Therein lies some of the difference that seems (would like to see the blank wall, more shots, etc. to confirm transmission variance) to be a greater margin of difference than many of the other attributes in the Nokton vs. Lux comps.

Of course, we can't draw any conclusions from this one data point ... particularly, since it was the 28 vs. 35 ... as it relates to the 28 Nokton vs. the 28 Lux. The 28 Lux may be similar (or different) to the Nokton in this regard. But, it does give a visual clue as an area to be considered a bit more.

Will be curious to see the two 28's compared directly (controlled). The matter of light transmission may be the last area that might reveal a greater margin of difference. Curious to find out how much they differ (or not). My suspicion is that we'll see this difference repeated (signature Voigtlander characteristic), but ... maybe, the Voigt will hold its own with the Lux.

Guess we have to wait and see.

Jan 28, 2024 at 09:05 AM

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If the ISO was the same (640), the shutter speed was the same (1/60) and the aperture was the same (although reported as different in exif) f/1.4 ... then, there's nothing to really be "tricked" that I can think of.

This kind of behavior in falloff is the exact thing I was referencing in my post above (p.8 #7), wrt to Voigtlander's signature characteristic vignetting being more pronounced (i.e. the smaller size of the lens than the Lux), such that the rated f/1.4 is limited to a very small, central portion of the scene. Therein lies some of the difference that...Show more →

Thanks for reply. The reported aperture for CV was 2.0 as I used the 28 Summicron profile in LR, although that application did not play any role in the darker image.

If this less light transmission is inherent in this lens, the consequence is that a CV 28mm Nokton user needs to increase the brightness or shadow significantly more than a Leica 28mm Lux counterpart. As for my above examples, both images were already adjusted '+0.85' for brightness. And still, in order to match the Lux, I've to up the brightness of the CV to '+1.60', which introduced more noise as a consequence.

I understand this may affect cameras with lesser ISO capabilities (think M8, M9, or even M240 to some extent), while M10 and above users may not find this an issue.

However, pound for pound, the CV is like 1/8th of the 28 Lux price, which, to many, is a no-brainer. Think about this, how many times will we shoot in poor backlit situations (as above)? And if we understand the limitations of the CV, the user can simply increase the exposure during shooting in order to avoid pushing the brightness and shadows in post-processing.

Jan 28, 2024 at 09:28 AM

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Thanks for reply. The reported aperture for CV was 2.0 as I used the 28 Summicron profile in LR, although that application did not play any role in the darker image.

If this less light transmission is inherent in this lens, the consequence is that a CV 28mm Nokton user needs to increase the brightness or shadow significantly more than a Leica 28mm Lux counterpart. As for my above examples, both images were already adjusted '+0.85' for brightness. And still, in order to match the Lux, I've to up the brightness of the CV to '+1.60', which introduced more noise as...Show more →

Umm- Correct me if I am wrong here-

The images should be darker- 12-20% darker. The difference between 1.4 and 1.5 is 12-20% or something like that. Not ready for math but we should see a noticeable difference in light between lenses at different apertures. There is a reason its an f 1.5 lens vs a 1.4

Jan 28, 2024 at 12:01 PM

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