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At the end of the day each of us can get stuff from another brand. I have very good Nikon kit. But, I am watching Canon and Sony all the time ( especially lenses ) because if I see Canon Rf 70-200 f4 or Sony 16-35 2.8 II I can not close my eyes. Once I will like offer from other brand much more I see no reason to keep buying Brand A ( in my case Nikon ) over Brand B.
Slowly you can change all your lenses. It will cost you a little more but why be unhappy forever ?
If you like Sony offer buy Sony or whatever you think will make you happy
Jan 17, 2024 at 12:39 PM
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RoamingScott wrote:
When one is neither helpful, nor witty, nor clever, where does that leave one?



Don’t know. Seems like you have experience with this subject…don’t be shy now.
Jan 17, 2024 at 12:50 PM
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chez wrote:
It’s only natural to compare against the best.
The Canon guys don't come here, it's a Sony guy thing.
Jan 17, 2024 at 12:53 PM
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chez wrote:
Don’t know. Seems like you have experience with this subject…don’t be shy now.

"no, you" couldn't have proved my point any better

Anyways, I'm gonna take my big muscles and go lift my big, heavy Nikon kit and steal all the Sonybro's girls, be back later.
Jan 17, 2024 at 01:00 PM
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Alistair1 wrote:
The Canon guys don't come here, it's a Sony guy thing.

Without comparing the Nikon lens performance and size, how does one know if Nikon is doing a good job on these fronts? Head in the sand view. Exactly what part of this thread do you find so offensive?
Jan 17, 2024 at 01:07 PM
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chez wrote:
Without comparing the Nikon lens performance and size, how does one know if Nikon is doing a good job on these fronts? Head in the sand view. Exactly what part of this thread do you find so offensive?
Puzzled and bemused, not offended. I don't need biased or poorly conducted "reviews" to tell me how good Nikon lenses are. I have owned and used the best from Canon, Nikon and Sony. Newsflash: they are all great!
What puzzles and bemuses me is why these threads on the Nikon forum mostly comprise posts from folk that don't own Nikon equipment who are desperate to extol the virtues of Sony. But never Canon. Is there a physiologist on board?
Jan 17, 2024 at 01:35 PM
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OwlsEyes wrote:
Why do so many threads on the Nikon forum eventually become "Sony is amazing and Nikon is Shite?"
If I recall, this thread is about Z lenses being too large for some shooters.



Because trolls hang out wherever people are willing to feed them


Jan 17, 2024 at 01:53 PM
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chez wrote:
It’s only natural to compare against the best.

That is a rather strange statement, which only ignite futile arguments. Let us all be civilized, realistic, and not be sarcastic . Sony has great Minolta lens team, not a miracle they can design great lens. That doesn’t make them the ‘best’ though. ‘The best’ which in no way can be measured or proved. It will be just one’s sentiment, and not a meaningful one either.

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Jan 17, 2024 at 02:00 PM
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Alistair1 wrote:
Puzzled and bemused, not offended. I don't need biased or poorly conducted "reviews" to tell me how good Nikon lenses are. I have owned and used the best from Canon, Nikon and Sony. Newsflash: they are all great!
What puzzles and bemuses me is why these threads on the Nikon forum mostly comprise posts from folk that don't own Nikon equipment who are desperate to extol the virtues of Sony. But never Canon. Is there a physiologist on board?

One thing to note is Sony full frame is barely 10 years old. Many of today’s Sony users were originally users of Nikon and Canon equipment. A lot of the people that moved from Nikon to Sony are still interested in what’s happening with Nikon. It’s only natural for them to also post here in the Nikon forum.

Even though I don’t use long glass, I do read some of the posts in the Sony forum about long glass. There is an awful lot of talk about the great light Nikon PF lenses…yet no one seems to get so upset. In fact, many of the people who bring up the Nikon lenses are Sony shooters.

Just a little perspective here.
Jan 17, 2024 at 02:05 PM
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akul wrote:
That is a rather strange statement, which only ignite futile arguments. Let us all be civilized, realistic, and not be sarcastic . Sony has great Minolta lens team, not a miracle they can design great lens. That doesn’t make them the ‘best’ though. ‘The best’ which in no way can be measured or proved. It will be just one’s sentiment, and not a meaningful one either.

Luka



Surely you jest. I was trying to lighten the load here. You must have missed the smiley on the end of my post. Lighten up a bit and enjoy life.
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Ripolini wrote:
Steve, your analysis is impeccable as usual.
However, let me stress that this thread deals with Z lenses' size, which doesn't seem directly related to their "overall" quality (not just sharpness, as you pointed out).
I'm not a Sony user, however I'm interested in FE lenses (third party E-mount lenses included) in that I could adapt them to my Z camera. Sony has introduced some really good glass (e.g., 16-35/2.8 GM II, 70-200 GM II both f/4 and f/2.8, etc.), smaller than similar lenses and performing even better. I agree with Luka:



I don’t know much about other brand, I do like Nikon, and no interest in wasting time and money by changing brand, BUT. Sony’s 16-35/2.8. 20mm /1.8 both seem remarkable, better priced than Nikon, and may be even smaller. For wide angle lens, I am not as concerned about AF speed and such they do become very interesting contenders to consider. 70-200f4 is also intriguing, but not as much,as AF accuracy, speed and reliance on adapter’s is a bit weary. And, I am not that obsessed with owning the ‘best’ optical performance lens. Best lens that doesn’t get used are worth less than flawed lens that is on my camera all the time. I am far more interested in taking pictures than proving the optical perfection.
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Jan 17, 2024 at 02:11 PM
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Alistair1 wrote:
Puzzled and bemused, not offended. I don't need biased or poorly conducted "reviews" to tell me how good Nikon lenses are. I have owned and used the best from Canon, Nikon and Sony. Newsflash: they are all great!
What puzzles and bemuses me is why these threads on the Nikon forum mostly comprise posts from folk that don't own Nikon equipment who are desperate to extol the virtues of Sony. But never Canon. Is there a physiologist on board?

My theory is, that Canon lenses in RF mount has nothing interesting from IQ, size, weight and especially price point of view to offer compared to competition

I mean they have unique parameter zooms like RF 28-70/2 and RF 24-105/2.8 but that is about it.

From my perspective current RF mount lens selection has nothing attractive, to consider Canon if I would choose to switch to another system
When it comes to prime lenses, Canon RF is like: ultra cheap and plasticy 35 and 50 f/1.8 primes in addition to ultra expensive, huge and heavy 50/1.2 and 85/1.2 primes. Nothing in between, like for example Nikon Z f/1.8 primes, Sigma f/2 primes or Panasonic f/1.8 primes (not to mention about Samyang, Tamron, Viltrox etc)
Sony wins in lens selection, no doubt about that. This is why most of the time others systems are compared to Sony Imho.
Canon at this moment has most poor native RF mount lens selection.


Jan 17, 2024 at 03:03 PM
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It's weird that people keep saying "Sony wins on lens selection" when an FE camera literally cannot use as many lenses as a Z camera.
Jan 17, 2024 at 03:19 PM
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RoamingScott wrote:
It's weird that people keep saying "Sony wins on lens selection" when an FE camera literally cannot use as many lenses as a Z camera.

Let me be clear, Imho Sony E-mount has biggest modern lens selection

Plus, You can also adapt almost all FF vintage lenses from every mount to Sony E-mount (not sure how autofocus will perform in AF lenses connected to Sony camera via adapter)

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BeatX wrote:
I disagre
There is a quite room for improvement in mentioned Nikon Z f/1.8 primes, compared to direct competition from Sony E-mount

https://www.lenstip.com/587.4-Lens_review-Nikon_Nikkor_Z_20_mm_f_1.8_S_Image_resolution.html
https://www.lenstip.com/629.4-Lens_review-Sony_FE_20_mm_f_1.8_G_Image_resolution.html

https://www.lenstip.com/576.4-Lens_review-Nikon_Nikkor_Z_35_mm_f_1.8_S_Image_resolution.html
https://www.lenstip.com/597.4-Lens_review-Sigma_C_35_mm_f_2_DG_DN_Image_resolution.html

https://www.lenstip.com/577.4-Lens_review-Nikon_Nikkor_Z_50_mm_f_1.8_S_Image_resolution.html
https://www.lenstip.com/655.4-Lens_review-Sigma_C_50_mm_f_2_DG_DN_Image_resolution.html

Nikkor f/1.8 primes are bigger, heavier and more ugly looking (imho) compared to competition:
https://camerasize.com/compact/#862.865,883.876,ha,t
https://camerasize.com/compact/#862.785,883.952,ha,t
https://camerasize.com/compact/#862.786,883.1097,ha,t

Plus on top of that, Sony E-mount lens selection has Carl Zeiss f/1.8 primes, or f/2.5 Sony primes, as well as cheap as hell, compatc and light Samyang f/1.8 primes with very decent IQ.

f/1.8 primes are not strongest point in Nikon Z mount imho.
Its Nikon Z standard zooms - especially Nikkor 24-70/4 kit lens, superb Nikkor 24-120/4 S, and telephoto offerings what makes Z mount very...Show more →

What am I missing here? The Nikon 35 and 50 outperformed your comparison lenses in almost all of lenstips' tested attributes. The delta expands greatly when comparing Sony's 35mm and 50mm 1.8 lenses.



Jan 17, 2024 at 03:44 PM
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Here is my perspective. I have had almost all the really great Sony lenses including the 20 f/1.8G, 24 f/1.4 GM, 35 f/1.4 GM, 50 f/1.2 GM, 85 f/1.4 GM, and 135 f/1.8 GM. These are all really really good lenses. Almost all of them are small for what they are as well, but as I am building a kit for Nikon Z I decided I am not going to use any of these lenses on the Nikon Z cameras. This is of course a very person decision, but here is my reasoning.

Why not the 20 f/1.8G? I decided that with a lens this wide I don't need AF and I would actually like a lens just a bit wider. This means for me I am planning to go with the Zeiss Milvus 18 f/2.8 which is a stunning lens and does what I want exceptionally well. I also really considered the Zeiss Batis 18 f/2.8, but I hate the manual focus on that lens and love the manual focus on the Milvus so I am willing to put up with the Milvus' size and weight.

Why not the 24 f/1.4 GM? For my uses I decided that even at 24/25mm I don't need AF and I decided to go with the Zeiss 25 f/2 classic which is a wonderful lens and isn't that big and performs exceptional well at what I will used it for.

Why not the 35 f/1.4 GM? I decided at 35mm I want AF but it doesn't need to be stellar. I really like the 35 GM, but it does show more axial CA than I would ideally like and it turns out that there is an often overlooked 35mm that does a lot better in that regard, the Canon EF 35 f/1.4L II. I really like this lens and decided its performance was worth a little more bulk.

Why not the 50 f/1.2 GM? I decided not to get a 50mm lens for my Nikon system because my favorite 50mm lens by far is my Leica M 50 f/1.4 Asph for my Leica M system. I like the 50 f/1.2 GM, but I love the Leica lens and for me if I am going to shoot 50mm I will use my Leica system. Now that lens on my Leica M10 is small and yet very competent.

Why not the 85 f/1.4 GM? I actually really love this lens even though it isn't that popular. My decision against it was in favor of the Nikon 85 f/1.8S that I like even more. Have great native AF at this focal length is a good plus too.

Why not the 135 f/1.8 GM? The Sony lens when it came out was one of the best lenses I have seen, but the choice against it is pretty simple. The Nikon 135 f/1.8S Plena is just better in almost every way except size and the size difference isn't that big.

So for me despite the small size of the Sony lenses in the end I didn't pick any of them. That is perhaps easier for me as I have a Leica M system for when I want small. Still I think these Sony lenses are all fantastic and good arguments could be made to pick any of them. They just weren't the lenses for me. So for me in the end the size of the Sony lenses did not matter.
Jan 17, 2024 at 03:50 PM
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Buckeye2604 wrote:
What am I missing here? The Nikon 35 and 50 outperformed your comparison lenses in almost all of lenstips' tested attributes. The delta expands greatly when comparing Sony's 35mm and 50mm 1.8 lenses.


You are kidding, right?


Jan 17, 2024 at 03:55 PM
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Wrong Quote

Edited on Jan 17, 2024 at 08:32 PM · View previous versions
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BeatX wrote:
You are kidding, right?
Certainly not. The Siggy 35 was especially bad in a few categories.


Jan 17, 2024 at 06:53 PM
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1bwana1 wrote:
Interestingly I chose a leica M11 with a full set of leica lenses for MF and every day carry. I chose Sony A1 and a full set of Zooms and primes for when I want AF.

You chose a Leica system for the same reasons I did, and it seems the Nikon system for similar reasons as me.

We have very similar camera closets except the Sony/Nikon labels on the equipment. We could likely shoot side by side pretty much any subject, in any conditions, with neither of us feeling like we are missing something. I bet we are getting equivalent IQ,...Show more →

Sorry to say it 1bwana, but I don't understand what You mean.
Currently I'm Fuji X user, and I have never own or even hold in my hands any Leica gear



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