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Cosina Voigtländer Nokton 40/1.2 Canon RF version announced today

  
 
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English product page:
https://www.cosina.co.jp/voigtlander/en/rf-mount-lenses/nokton-40mm-f1-2-aspherical/

Japanese product page:
https://www.cosina.co.jp/voigtlander/rf-mount-lenses/nokton-40mm-f1-2-aspherical/

YouTube (Japanese):
https://youtu.be/f1dHrOyMFNY?si=pHphDlBASqva3SOX

The lens is expected to be released in January 2024. No specific date given yet.












Dec 15, 2023 at 01:43 AM
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"1 Magenta coverage may occur on the periphery of the image with EOS R, RP and R6 depending on shooting conditions."

Why would this occur only with these specific cameras?




Dec 15, 2023 at 07:28 AM
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Something to do with the specific glass thickness and material of the glass stack in front of the sensor, if I had to guess.

Brian



Dec 15, 2023 at 07:44 AM
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Exciting news thanks for posting. Following up with my sales rep as I am still awaiting for the 50 to arrive.


Dec 15, 2023 at 02:06 PM
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p.1 #5 · p.1 #5 · Cosina Voigtländer Nokton 40/1.2 Canon RF version announced today


Like to see the 15, 21, 25, 35apo & 50apo 65apo & 110apo


Dec 15, 2023 at 02:12 PM
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IndyFab wrote:
Like to see the 15, 21, 25, 35apo & 50apo 65apo & 110apo


Looking at their site for Nikon Z they have 15, 35apo, 50apo, 65apo so I think the chances are good we will be seeing those at some point.

I agree would be great to see 21,25,110apo too.

Looks like the potential of an exciting Voigtlander year for RF shooters.



Dec 15, 2023 at 02:31 PM
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is that 21mm good for astro?

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Dec 15, 2023 at 02:46 PM
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jedibrain wrote:
is that 21mm good for astro?

Brian


Oh yea, its 1.4, actually they also have a 3.5 21




Dec 15, 2023 at 04:48 PM
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jedibrain wrote:
Something to do with the specific glass thickness and material of the glass stack in front of the sensor, if I had to guess.

Brian


You're right about the sensor stack, but I thought the R6 and R5 have a much thinner sensor stack, compared to the slightly older R and RP cameras. And I think it's strange that the R6 is mentioned and not the R5 (I've read that they have the same sensor stack thickness). It would be a huge bummer if this lens caused color shift on the periphery of an image when using it with an R6.

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Dec 15, 2023 at 09:25 PM
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I think the edge color shading is very dependent on pixel well depth and microlens design. It's possible the R5 has a better, more optimized microlens array than the R6, and perhaps somewhat different pixel architecture, though it's still FSI IIRC. My understanding is a finer pixel pitch should be more susceptible to edge color shifts, but it seems the R5 is less prone to this problem. I have the R6II and unfortunately it does exhibit magenta edge shading with a number of adapted rangefinder lenses. Last year I tested many of my rangefinder lenses on the R5 and don't recall it being a noticeable problem.


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What does everyone think will be the likely next RF lenses from voigtlander in 2024? It seems their lineup is a bit inconsistent across their Sony, Nikon, and Fuji line of manual lenses.

I'd love to see a 35mm 1.4, but it seems Voigtlander may have discontinued the FE lenses?



Dec 17, 2023 at 10:39 AM
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I believe they will follow the path of the lenses offered for the Z mount.

The next lens will IMHO be the 65 APO or 15/4.5 as the 35 and 50 APO are similar in focal length to the 40 and 50.

It would be nice if they announced and release all 3 APO at the same time, which would be costly for several of us. Though that is unlikely.



Dec 17, 2023 at 01:09 PM
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Maybe there is too much competition and not enough sales on Sony FE mount from Sony and other manufacturers like Sigma, Samyang, etc so CV didn't even release their 50mm f1 version for Sony.

I used CV 21mm 3.5 M on R5 with no problem. CV 15mm M should be similar. Usually fast lenses and APO lenses needs the native mount for a couple stop enhancements compared to M mount...

Not in English and no subtitles, but a review on R6 II:




Dec 17, 2023 at 08:09 PM
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Lukepi00 wrote:
What does everyone think will be the likely next RF lenses from voigtlander in 2024? It seems their lineup is a bit inconsistent across their Sony, Nikon, and Fuji line of manual lenses.

I'd love to see a 35mm 1.4, but it seems Voigtlander may have discontinued the FE lenses?


Cosina has discontinued 5 lenses for Sony FE up to now (12/5.6, 21/3.5, 35/1.2 SE, 40/1.2 SE, 50/1.2 SE). The original 40/1.2 and 50/1.2 remain in production and overall they still have 10 lenses for Sony FE in production. They always announce on their Japanese website when any lens reaches end of production (i.e. gets discontinued).

35/1.4 for Sony FE has not been discontinued and it's recently been the #1 best-selling CV lens for FE in Japan as it's compact, has attractive focal length and it's only about 50% of the cost of 40/1.2 (original version) in Japan.

It is a bit mystery to me why they discontinued the 3 SE lenses in E-mount though as those were among their better selling lenses (especially 40/1.2 SE) and they were selling better than the original 40/1.2 & 50/1.2 when both options (original & SE) were available at the same time.



Dec 18, 2023 at 12:14 AM
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This is an information-poor industry, friends. The honourable exception is Leica, for which we see a good number of videos from Peter Karbe et al, and lots of interaction. The others? It's just 'buy our stuff' and watch our YT shills.

As to range parity by Cosina, let's just say that 21st century Carl Zeiss AG never produced a lens in ZE that did not have a ZF equivalent, that was the European way of doing business. It was the right thing to do then and it's the right thing to do now, when we have but one high end manual lens maker left. Sure, there are the cheapies.

But I wish for a maker like Rodenstock or Schneider to enter the fray, because these CV decision makers are a major disappointment with their 'guess what's next?' schtick. And that is what a monopoly buys you - eff you ability, even to your buyers...



Dec 18, 2023 at 03:40 PM
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philip_pj wrote:
let's just say that 21st century Carl Zeiss AG never produced a lens in ZE that did not have a ZF equivalent, that was the European way of doing business. It was the right thing to do then and it's the right thing to do now, when we have but one high end manual lens maker left. Sure, there are the cheapies.


True for all the ZEs but going the other direction the ZF 25/2.8 was never produced in a ZE mount nor the special production of ZF-IR trio of 25/2.8, 50/1.4 and 85/1.4.

As I have been selling sold off most of my Nikon mount lenses along with Nikon mount bodies those 4 I kept.



Dec 18, 2023 at 04:14 PM
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In defense of Cosina, nearly everything they have released 90mm and wider has been in M mount, which is adaptable (ignoring major considerations of sensor stack compatibility) to other mirrorless systems.

I suspect the real answer for their recent mishmash of lens mount offerings probably isn't that simple. My own speculation is that Cosina, a smaller company with limited resources, is somewhat opportunistic, jumping to niches where it sees current opportunities and leaving areas where there is product saturation and mature lens systems. This would explain early interest in m43, which more recently seems to have fallen to the side, as well as Sony. Currently Cosina's focus, other than M mount, seems to be more on Fuji, Nikon and now also Canon. Sony FE is potentially a good example of where there was early opportunity for 3rd parties to address the needs/wants of more discerning, less budget sensitive photographers until Sony got it's act together and was able to produce a really attractive set of native lens options. In this respect I kind of feel that Sony's 'open lens standard' was a shorter term ploy to establish their system with the help of third party brands until they could dominate it with their own offerings. It's possible that Cosina now sees limited opportunities in the FE system due to the overwhelming user preference for autofocus lenses. My impression from the Sony board here is that many who were happy to adapt or use manual focus lenses on Sony early, have since switched to AF options. The losers here would seem to be Zeiss's Loxia line (made by Cosina?) and Voigtlander (Cosina again) due to pressure both from AF options across all price ranges and recent newcomers offering manual focus options in the lower price points. Canon would seem to be a major opportunity for Cosina given Canon's massive restriction of third party RF lens options. For Cosina to receive Canon's blessings would seem to be a significant advantage (though there is already manual focus competition in this space at lower price points from various Chinese brands, which is true for all mirrorless systems).

None of this is anything new from Cosina. They seem to discontinue lenses for reasons only known to them, then maybe re-release some of those as updated versions 5-10 years later. They also don't seem bothered by having multiple products of a given focal length, also in various finishes (eg 6 SKUs of the 50/1.5), while gaps exist elsewhere in their lineup.



Dec 18, 2023 at 05:33 PM
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I just picked up a Voigtlander RF 50mm 1.0 for my R6 Mark II and I really like it. I have several Canon RF lenses and love what they do, but the Voigtlander is so different and interesting that I'd absolutely consider more of them in different focal lengths.

I'm not an experienced photographer though, and I'm still very much in a learning mode. I have to admit that I don't understand why they have come out with a full frame compatible lens that is seemingly so close the the 50mm 1.0?

Am I missing something obvious/important or is this new lens intended for a specific niche? I had initially thought that it was intended for APS-C cameras, but apparently it is meant for full frame as well.

Would this new 40mm 1.2 offer enough of a practical difference from the 50mm 1.0 to warrant consideration or should I wait for something more "different" from Voigtlander like a 24mm or 35mm in the RF mount?



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XMGAU wrote:
I just picked up a Voigtlander RF 50mm 1.0 for my R6 Mark II and I really like it. I have several Canon RF lenses and love what they do, but the Voigtlander is so different and interesting that I'd absolutely consider more of them in different focal lengths.

I'm not an experienced photographer though, and I'm still very much in a learning mode. I have to admit that I don't understand why they have come out with a full frame compatible lens that is seemingly so close the the 50mm 1.0?

Am I missing something obvious/important or is this new
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Perspective is a pretty personal thing. I have the Sigma Art 50mm and canon 40mm pancake. To me, the 40mm compares closer to 35mm than 50 ( Yay math!). I don't find myself looking for 40mm at all when doing people. And doing Walk around I want wider than 50, though 24mm is my preference over35/40mm.

So I suppose what I'm saying is, you might not know u til if you try whether you like 40mm or not. But for some it would not be out of place next to a 50mm.

Brian



Dec 26, 2023 at 02:15 PM
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XMGAU wrote:
I just picked up a Voigtlander RF 50mm 1.0 for my R6 Mark II and I really like it. I have several Canon RF lenses and love what they do, but the Voigtlander is so different and interesting that I'd absolutely consider more of them in different focal lengths.

I'm not an experienced photographer though, and I'm still very much in a learning mode. I have to admit that I don't understand why they have come out with a full frame compatible lens that is seemingly so close the the 50mm 1.0?

Am I missing something obvious/important or is this new
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There is one thing about Cosina (the company that makes Voigtlander lenses) - they often make what don't seem to be clear-cut logical decisions. They seem to do whatever they please, in terms of lens releases and specifications of those releases. Some models they make available for multiple mounts, while others may only be available for one or two mounts. If you look at their full range of lens models across all mounts, there are some focal lengths with a lot of overlapping products. But as Brian suggested, 40mm is still fairly different from 50mm and there can be arguments made for owning both.

I believe in the Japanese market the Voigtlander 40/1.2 is very popular and they've already released it in the Nikon Z mount, in addition to Sony FE (and Leica M), so probably not too difficult to port it over to Canon RF. And it's at a much different (lower) price point than the 50/1.0.

These two lenses are also technically quite different when used wide open. The 50/1.0 is Cosina's 'halo' lens, so to say, and is aimed to be sharp from wide open, whereas the 40/1.2 is less perfect with a bit more 'glow' (spherical aberration) and 'character' wide open. The 50/1.0 was released first in Leica M mount and it arguably outperforms Leica's own $13k 50/0.95. Cosina put a fair number of optical tweaks into the design, including aspherical element surfaces (including a large diameter ground aspherical surface = $$$), special glass type and a floating element focusing system to retain optimum sharpness and contrast across the full focusing range. It was also their objective to keep the lens as compact as possible (it's shorter than Leica's 50/0.95), a feature that matters for many Leica M system users. I can only guess they released it as their first RF lens to also make a statement for that system.

It's probable that Cosina will release a lineup of lenses in RF mount similar to what they're offering for Nikon Z. But probably depends also on what Canon authorizes them to release in RF mount.



Dec 26, 2023 at 10:34 PM
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