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Yup. I shot my D4S over the weekend and some parts of it is making me want to shoot my Z9 casually this weekend, it's been awhile.
Eric214 wrote:
Well, don't take this the wrong way, bit you had a pro flagship body in the D4 and a pro APS-C in the D500 and went into the mirrorless world with a Z6II and Z7II.

The 2 Z bodies don't have the AF abilities for good, consistent AF for action like BIF. This was the equivalent of going from the D4 to a D5300 or so. No one would have been happy with that. The only Z bodies currently that is any better than the D500 are the Z9, Z8 and ZF.

By all means if you are happy with the...Show more →

Feb 20, 2024 at 05:25 PM

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The best thing about those old DSLR's is the quality time you get to invest performing AF adjustments...

Oh, yeah, that's a brutal experience.

Feb 20, 2024 at 05:28 PM

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Eric214 wrote:
...I'm quite certain if you bought a Z9 or Z8, your experience would have been much different

Probably. But what's certain is that his wallet would've been much thinner in exchange for minimal--if any--improvement in image quality.

Feb 20, 2024 at 05:34 PM

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p.2 #4 · p.2 #4 · Back to Nikon DSLR's

There are a lot of things for my job that I wouldn't shoot a D4 and D500 for. If it's going to be printed or used for an ad campaign or cropped for head shot work, I'm not touching one of those. Simple social media posts then fine.
henry albert wrote:
Probably. But what's certain is that his wallet would've been much thinner in exchange for minimal--if any--improvement in image quality.

Feb 20, 2024 at 06:28 PM

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henry albert wrote:
Probably. But what's certain is that his wallet would've been much thinner in exchange for minimal--if any--improvement in image quality.

Of course, you get what you pay for. But he bought a D4 so I am sure he paid that flagship price in the past for it.

Feb 20, 2024 at 06:28 PM

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JadedWriter wrote:
There are a lot of things for my job that I wouldn't shoot a D4 and D500 for. If it's going to be printed or used for an ad campaign or cropped for head shot work, I'm not touching one of those. Simple social media posts then fine.

What is your job?

Feb 20, 2024 at 08:19 PM

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Event and headshot photographer and I also do ad work. I have had stuff printed in the subway, on buses, a whole subway train plastered with my shots. The scope of that campaign was "big" I think the stuff is also in the Staten Island Ferry terminal and some other locations. None of that stuff can or should be done with a 16mp or 20mp camera. It's like 40mp minimum so my D810 wasn't doing it. I used a Z9 and Z7II for those ads, my job had to rent an R5...twice for the other photographer that shot for that campaign as well. Might be XH2 and GFX100S this year, but it's a giant who the hell knows and I might just run the Z combo again just for the sake of consistency. The IBIS, flip out screen, liveview that actually effing works, full sensor AF point coverage is the reason why I'm not touching the D850 for this stuff. First ad campaign is more or less here:
https://www1.cuny.edu/mu/cunyverse/2023/02/07/meet-the-faces-behind-degrees-without-the-debt/
Second one is here:
Anything not fisheye and actually color balanced properly is mine:
https://www.cuny.edu/learnmore/
I shot the subway train stuff in the third slide:
https://www.instagram.com/p/CywJZVcOSjI/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link&igsh=MzRlODBiNWFlZA==
My ad here:
https://twitter.com/CUNY/status/1711018676525359260
Probably a better idea of some of it here:
https://www.instagram.com/p/CyBsiXGOFSp/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link&igsh=MzRlODBiNWFlZA==
https://twitter.com/EvaSantosVeloz/status/1708981272716992809
Another ad:
https://www.instagram.com/p/Cx5UnB2MQxF/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link
Another ad:
https://www.instagram.com/p/Cx8U7RMAF8U/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link
I think I shot like 5 different themes or something.
I just can't find all of the train/bus related things, rollout was massive though.
Like these have to be shot a certain way and then cropped into...several different ways because I'm shooting for like 8 different aspect ratios.
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What is your job?

Feb 20, 2024 at 09:04 PM

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JadedWriter wrote:
Event and headshot photographer and I also do ad work. I have had stuff printed in the subway, on buses, a whole subway train plastered with my shots. The scope of that campaign was "big" I think the stuff is also in the Staten Island Ferry terminal and some other locations. None of that stuff can or should be done with a 16mp or 20mp camera. It's like 40mp minimum so my D810 wasn't doing it. I used a Z9 and Z7II for those ads, my job had to rent an R5...twice for the other photographer that shot for that...Show more →

Impressive. How many Z buyers do you think have the same or similar job requirements? I'm guessing very few. If I'm correct, my statement stands. If not, we move on.

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Feb 20, 2024 at 09:35 PM

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p.2 #9 · p.2 #9 · Back to Nikon DSLR's

I have no idea and kind of don't care. I stress out enough dealing with my own job. I've seen a few press people with Z's they get around. I know NY Governor Hochul's photographer is a Z user.
henry albert wrote:
Impressive. How many high pixel Z buyers do you think have the same or similar job requirements? I'm guessing very few.

Feb 20, 2024 at 09:37 PM

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p.2 #10 · p.2 #10 · Back to Nikon DSLR's

I kept my 3 DSLRS And lenses when I bought my mirrorless bodies. I like them as much as the day I bought them and they still produce excellent images. God knows I don’t need any more camera bodies, but if a good deal comes by on a pro body, no doubt I’ll just have to buy it.

Feb 20, 2024 at 09:49 PM

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p.2 #11 · p.2 #11 · Back to Nikon DSLR's

I know that feeling. I'm waiting for Nikon refurbished to blow out a D6.
David Garcia wrote:
I kept my 3 DSLRS And lenses when I bought my mirrorless bodies. I like them as much as the day I bought them and they still produce excellent images. God knows I don’t need any more camera bodies, but if a good deal comes by on a pro body, no doubt I’ll just have to buy it.

Feb 20, 2024 at 09:56 PM

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I got tired of zooming in to set focus with MF Zeiss lenses, also the FTZ looks kind of ugly on the camera body (especially when paired with a Zeiss lens). So I bought a D850 recently, on which I can focus and compose at the same time.

Feb 20, 2024 at 11:29 PM

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Used a 20Dquite a bit last summer and also lately including today. Nice camera, $1500 at intro, solid feel. More relaxing somehow less tech or something

I don't feel like I'm losing that much resolution like you might expect

Feb 21, 2024 at 12:35 AM

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molson wrote:
The best thing about those old DSLR's is the quality time you get to invest performing AF adjustments...

All my years shooting I never did an AF adjustment on any of my lenses and always had sharp photos. 🤷‍♂️

Feb 21, 2024 at 06:38 AM

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My 2.8 zooms and my 500PF were good out the gate and I think the 105 1.4 as well. Anything Sigma, the 58 1.4 and now the 85 1.4G are a different story at least for me.
Tyr-Sog wrote:
All my years shooting I never did an AF adjustment on any of my lenses and always had sharp photos. 🤷‍♂️

Feb 21, 2024 at 09:07 AM

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p.2 #16 · p.2 #16 · Back to Nikon DSLR's

Now I'm sitting here thinking about the video nature of my job and yeah...I'm not touching any of my DSLR cameras for this.

Feb 21, 2024 at 10:12 AM

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Going from 8mp on the 20D to 18mp aps sounds like a lot, 2.25x the pixels. But that's only an increase in pixels of 50% in each direction (1.5^2=2.25)

But you don't get all of the 50%, I did some guesstimating and came up 30%. Not nothing, but not as much as you might expect. 18mp to 24mp isn't much, either

Feb 21, 2024 at 10:18 AM

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AmbientMike wrote:
Going from 8mp on the 20D to 18mp aps sounds like a lot, 2.25x the pixels. But that's only an increase in pixels of 50% in each direction (1.5^2=2.25)

But you don't get all of the 50%, I did some guesstimating and came up 30%. Not nothing, but not as much as you might expect. 18mp to 24mp isn't much, either

Indeed, you need to look at linear resolution instead of it's square.

Looking at cameras with similar ratios: The difference between something like a D7000 at 16.2 MP and a D810 at 36.3 MP sounds like a lot, as you've got 36.3/16.2 = 2.24x more pixels, but when comparing linear resolution across the width of the frame, the difference is only 7360 / 4928 = 1.49x.

Both cameras have similarly sized pixels, 4.77 vs 4.88 um, respectively. But that 1.5x linear difference results in a HUGE difference in picture quality and resolution between the two cameras. I'm sure some of this is due to crop factor (and using more of the lens circle with the full frame camera) or a later sensor design, but the difference in linear resolution of 50% seems huge to me -- even when I compare the cameras with the sharpest of lenses. (This is a bit apples and oranges because I've never done the comparison with a 50% increase in linear resolution on identically sized sensors, but the 50% difference still seems huge to me.)

Feb 21, 2024 at 11:51 AM

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coralnut wrote:
Indeed, you need to look at linear resolution instead of it's square.

Looking at cameras with similar ratios: The difference between something like a D7000 at 16.2 MP and a D810 at 36.3 MP sounds like a lot, as you've got 36.3/16.2 = 2.24x more pixels, but when comparing linear resolution across the width of the frame, the difference is only 7360 / 4928 = 1.49x.

Both cameras have similarly sized pixels, 4.77 vs 4.88 um, respectively. But that 1.5x linear difference results in a HUGE difference in picture quality and resolution between the two cameras. I'm sure some of...Show more →

IDK that I'd go comparing much higher mp count FF vs aps. But same sized sensor the difference between them isn't as much as I'd expected.

People used to be interested in better color off the CCD sensor, for one thing, if you are interested in something like that you might not hurt your resolution as much as you thought going back to a D70. I'm getting sharp results off a 20D, anyway.

Of course I might not be in too big of a hurry to upgrade 36mp FF to 45mp FF, not a big jump, assuming that I was happy otherwise. It's hard for the manufacturers to get ahead offering more pixels

Feb 21, 2024 at 12:00 PM

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Tyr-Sog wrote:
All my years shooting I never did an AF adjustment on any of my lenses and always had sharp photos. 🤷‍♂️

Same here! The only lens I ever needed to adjust was the 50mm f/1.4 G (+18). I sent it for service and it's perfect at 0 now!

Feb 22, 2024 at 08:58 PM

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