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A7iii upgrade: A7Riv or Canon R6?

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p.1 #1 · p.1 #1 · A7iii upgrade: A7Riv or Canon R6?

ABOUT ME:
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I don't shoot much but once in a while I do. Mainly Small events / kids / Portraits.
I am a hybrid shooter. So I do video and Photo.

My GOAT is 5D iv - but long are the days of heavy cameras.

CURRENT SETUP:
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Currently I am rocking a Sony A7iii with metabones adapter to Canon EF lens (primes, zooms, white shark 70-200mm f2.8 etc).

I only have 1 sony lens: 28mm f2.0

I kind of ok with my lens setup (and godox flash etc).

ISSUES:
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There are 3 issues I run into:
- If I have to switch to Canon lens there is a lag in shooting, dance shots are scarified (or hard to get cats / kids shots)

- The video auto focus is absolute garbage on A7iii (yes even with native lens).

- The video recording drop the resolution on back of the camera! Can't tell what is in focus. Its not exactly the premium LCD anyway, and when it drops resolution , can't do shallow DOF shots for video.

OPTIONS:
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I have a trade offer to upgrade to Sony A7riv that I am considering. It will give me proper video AF (for what I have gathered?)

or Sell and get Canon R6.

I am sure I will love Canon (because I am so used to it) and still using its lens (EF though, not RF for mirrorless) but doesn't seem to be a big issue. but Canon specs are very mediocre and over heating issues?

- Upgrading to A7riv will be +$1000 CDN (700 USD).
- Upgrading to R6 will be $600 to $800ish CDN (and a lot more hassle). That's roughly $500 USD.

New Body Keeping its value will be an asset.

Anyone has done this switch?

Dec 07, 2023 at 02:57 AM

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p.1 #2 · p.1 #2 · A7iii upgrade: A7Riv or Canon R6?

Hmm... you are in two camps. You've already experienced the down side of adapted lenses to Sony and the limited capabilities of the Sony A7III in regards to video. Upgrading to the A7RIV gets you closer but still dealing with adapted lenses. Seems to me a decision first needs to be made as to which camp to remain in. Given you already have native Canon glass that would suggest you stick with Canon and sell off the Sony equipment. BTW: my pro sports shooting buddy adapts his EF lens to RF and has not experienced negative effects. One note though, the R6 does has a tendency to sometimes distort fast moving objects like bats and balls. Not all the time but enough that I wouldn't want it. (I also shoot sports) Of course this is in regards to stills. Not certain whether that happens in video or not.

Going the opposite way has successfully been done by a number of photogs but It's not an endeavor for those with shallow wallets. Ignoring the financial aspect, there are sound reasons for the swap out to be considered but not certain whether they would apply to you. In my own case, I shot Canon for more than 20 years before making the switch to Sony. I very briefly experimented adapting my EF lenses, quickly discovered the downside of that setup and promptly completed the swap out to native Sony glass, which IMO is definitely on par with Canon. If offered the opportunity to go back I mostly most likely would decline. Sony has and continues to fulfill all the reasons I had for making the move in the first place.

Dec 07, 2023 at 07:41 AM

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p.1 #3 · p.1 #3 · A7iii upgrade: A7Riv or Canon R6?

^ I came to Sony for Video. Strangely enough, it is the reason I am looking to leave it as well (Oh The Irony).

Apparently even the latest A7v does the same thing, reduces resolution on screen when recording. Hard to know exact focus that way.

I am leaning towards Canon at this point. It will be easier to switch back to Canon and Even (Old and overpriced) R6 does everything I need to do.

Here is another thing I found out.

You can't use Sony Flash in quiet (silent) mode! Apparently Canon doesn't have any of those restrictions.

Canon also has First Curtain Shutter / e-shutter options that doesn't increase shutter count as well (Can someone confirm?)

Dec 07, 2023 at 09:44 AM

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p.1 #4 · p.1 #4 · A7iii upgrade: A7Riv or Canon R6?

It doesn't seem rational to me: why are you contemplating between a Sony high res camera (A7r iv) and a Canon low res camera (R6/24mp)? It's like trying to decide between Canon R5 and Sony A7s iii!!! Do you need or want high res or not? I would suggest make your mind about that first then, decide on the brand/model?

IMO, A7r iv does not make sense now in your case considering what you shoot (you don't need high res). A7c ii (an d even A7cr) makes more sense. They have the better AI AF for both stills and video as well as many other new features. If you want high res, A7cr and if you are happy with 33mp, then A7c ii. Otherwise, A7 v which should appear within a year, I think.

In the Canon camp, if it were me, I would wait for R6 mk ii and keep my current lenses. In the Sony camp, if it were me, I would switch to native E-mount lenses for the best AF performance for both stills and video. You won't loose much money by selling your EF lenses and buy E-mount lenses, thanks to all the third party lenses available for the E-mount.

There are also a number of videos on Youtube that review Sony/Canon newer bodies in regards to AF performance for stills and video. That should give you a better perspective on what to expect before committing to buy.

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Dec 07, 2023 at 11:42 AM

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p.1 #5 · p.1 #5 · A7iii upgrade: A7Riv or Canon R6?

The 6k raw if you use atomos looked appealing on the R6 II, if I did a lot of video. You might take a look at that. You might keep your eyes open for any after Christmas sales etc, R6 seemed really cheap there a few months ago, especially if you used Canon loyalty program

Dec 07, 2023 at 12:15 PM

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p.1 #6 · p.1 #6 · A7iii upgrade: A7Riv or Canon R6?

Only reason considering 61mpx camera is : Convenience.

A7r iv deal is on the table. Can get it today. Very little hassle. Straight trade and cash adjusted in deal.

I hate selling and buying ... maybe I am getting older, maybe its just not safe anymore (too many scams).
Also, new bodies are just insane prices!
and you know - it never stops. There is always another lens , or flash or some other accessories you think you need in your arsenal (really its a want).

I think I am leaning towards Canon 6D (or 8D / 6D ii) whatever I can get a deal on.

I have seen fair bit of videos, sadly they rarely ever mention how hard it is to shoot on Sony with drop resolution. Unless you have experienced it yourself, its really a deal breaker.
Canon is gone full Apple for a while. Everything is only about gouging as much money as they can, but I like their products - much more refined.

Dec 07, 2023 at 01:55 PM

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p.1 #7 · p.1 #7 · A7iii upgrade: A7Riv or Canon R6?

I think refurb and loyalty deals work only in US.
In Canada we don't get many options, but I will keep a lookout.

Dec 07, 2023 at 01:56 PM

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p.1 #8 · p.1 #8 · A7iii upgrade: A7Riv or Canon R6?

Sony's newer bodies are much more refined than their older generations. Try A7 iv, A7r v or A7c ii and you will immediately notice the difference against A7 iii. Particularly, the AI AF is a significant improvement. This makes an even more impact for video when the camera just keeps the subject in focus when the cameraman doesn't have to worry about that anymore. There are other important improvements as well: user interface, touch screen, better ibis, more responsive camera, articulating screen, additional features, battery life, better built, etc..

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Dec 07, 2023 at 03:39 PM

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p.1 #9 · p.1 #9 · A7iii upgrade: A7Riv or Canon R6?

Does it still drop resolution when you press record for video?

Dec 07, 2023 at 04:09 PM

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p.1 #10 · p.1 #10 · A7iii upgrade: A7Riv or Canon R6?

Unfortunately your adapted DSLR lenses are what’s causing unmet expectations for AF I think. Upgrading the camera to Sony or Canon would probably still cause these issues, because both still need to adapt EF lenses. You’ll see improvements sure, because somehow newer bodies can drag some adapted lenses with them to higher levels, but the difference between adapted and native is large with improvements in AF. My A7iv is SO sticky on stills and videos compared to my A7R2.

I use a Metabones V on my A7iv for a Canon 70-300L lens. The AF experience for stills and videos is nowhere near my native prime lenses like 24 GM or Batis 85, but I got it as a landscape lens, so I don’t care. Also, your experience with the 28/2 is unfair because that’s one of the oldest lenses in the E mount system.

If you’re frustrated with focus issues, maybe try renting some native E mount lenses that are equivalent to your EF lenses and see how it goes with the A7iii. If you need to invest in a mirrorless lens system, there’s no better mount than the E mount, and there’s no place with as many used and new camera options as the Sony Alpha series. That said, if you really like Canon (I think I like Canons color profile) and have a lot of money, you could try to build a system there that takes advantage of mirrorless focus abilities. But right now, you have 1 foot in one door (Sony mirrorless cameras) another foot in another door (Canon DSLR lenses), and obviously that’s gonna make you stuck.

Dec 08, 2023 at 10:47 AM

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p.1 #11 · p.1 #11 · A7iii upgrade: A7Riv or Canon R6?

I think it's worth considering whether the A7Riv's *autofocus* will really be good enough for your purposes.

For event photography - which is often indoor, *low-light* photography - it may be worse than the a7iii.

Dec 08, 2023 at 03:13 PM

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p.1 #12 · p.1 #12 · A7iii upgrade: A7Riv or Canon R6?

Stick with Sony

Canon has caught up with AF. Took them five years, and they are only a camera company.

But
Sony wins.
The files are superior
The glass offering is too.

Dec 08, 2023 at 03:14 PM

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p.1 #13 · p.1 #13 · A7iii upgrade: A7Riv or Canon R6?

GHarris wrote:
I think it's worth considering whether the A7Riv's *autofocus* will really be good enough for your purposes.

For event photography - which is often indoor, *low-light* photography - it may be worse than the a7iii.

I don't have either of those cameras, but why would an A7R IV have worse AF in low light than an A7III? It sounds unlikely to me.

Dec 08, 2023 at 04:45 PM

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p.1 #14 · p.1 #14 · A7iii upgrade: A7Riv or Canon R6?

I think the key question is which system do you want to be in? I shot Canon DSLRs for about 20 years but I'm happy in the Sony system now. That is me though. Think about what sort of photography you want to do, what lenses and other gear you want to use, and then look at which system will suit you best.

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Dec 08, 2023 at 04:47 PM

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p.1 #15 · p.1 #15 · A7iii upgrade: A7Riv or Canon R6?

Listen to me: stick to Sony.

The Canon R6 II (not R6, I wouldn't go there) is a great body, esp for sports and hybrid shooting, but the Canon lens strategy is very strange. The have some stellar and singular glass, e.g. RF 28-70/2, 100-500, 100-300/2.8, but then I really dislike their affordable stuff like the RF 50/1.8 or RF 35/1.8.

Sony has long been known for their tech (sensor, AF, etc) but in reality I'd say it is their lens eco-system that sets them apart at this point. No other brand have stellar primes like the 20/1.8G, 24/1.4GM, 35/1.4GM, 50/1.4GM, etc. Plus you have Voigtlander, Sigma, Tamron, Zeiss, Samyang, Viltrox, and much more. So much choice for every budget and taste.

So... if you are intent to keep your Canon glass, perhaps getting the Canon R6 II a more compatible choice, but if you are a tight budget, Canon is not the way to go - their good RF glass are all very expensive.

Going Sony... Sony A7R4: that is a portrait and landscape machine, much more than a hybrid dream machine IMO. The sensor is high MP and has pretty bad rolling shutter. I would instead look at the Sony A7IV - less MPs but better AF, the new menu system, faster operations, dedicated photo/video switch, etc.

Lastly, I think you might be better of settling on something and sticking with it. Right now using older Canon EF lenses on older Sony technology/body. Either pick Sony or Canon. Stick to that and go all in.

Dec 08, 2023 at 05:29 PM

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p.1 #16 · p.1 #16 · A7iii upgrade: A7Riv or Canon R6?

Thanks for detail reply. I have used Sony with G lens as well (just don't own it).

FOR VIDEO: The focus is sticky in normal parameters, but if you crop / digital zoom - zoom doesn't work (At least on A7iii).
In 4k it doens't work. In low light it doesn't work. In multiple people, I can't touch to focus on person (Canon is amazing in that). I went to local camera store and we did a quick challenge of R6 vs A7iv
and R6 definitely won in touch focus / focus racking.

Also, my personal biggest grip (which I don't see how people are ok with that). When you press record, the resolution drop and now you are recording while watching swiss cheese!

For stills and for IQ - I think Sony is better for sure! Cheaper too.

Dec 08, 2023 at 05:31 PM

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p.1 #17 · p.1 #17 · A7iii upgrade: A7Riv or Canon R6?

Photo low light indoor I can handle, flash IR generally helps with focus.

Its the video AF that is where the issues are for Sony - and stopping me for switching completely.

Dec 08, 2023 at 05:33 PM

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p.1 #18 · p.1 #18 · A7iii upgrade: A7Riv or Canon R6?

Bruh - I was in camera when there was no auto focus in Cameras.

(Canon added video as bells and whistle feature. Canon 5D mkII started this whole thing.

" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Vincent LaForet did a video - watch here. That revolutionized the industry ... it was facinating times)

Lets give credit where its due. Hollywood came up to him to ask him how did you light up the bridge? (low light worked different before 5Dii)

Also, Canon came up with Dual-pixel AF. Which brought real video AF to camera (otherwise it was hunting, breathing all the time. Manual was the only way - really). 7D I think was the first one.

Mirrorless is where Canon lagged, but now they purposely falling behind - they want you to pay more and upgrade. They are being iPhone. You pay for better UI but lower specs.

Dec 08, 2023 at 05:39 PM

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p.1 #19 · p.1 #19 · A7iii upgrade: A7Riv or Canon R6?

If I was doing photo - def be with Sony with sony lens. Much better image quality / more dynamic range. etc.

video is where Canon interface is where Sony can't touch em (IMO)

Dec 08, 2023 at 05:41 PM

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p.1 #20 · p.1 #20 · A7iii upgrade: A7Riv or Canon R6?

I don't see any deals on Sony A7iv. Its like I have to drop couple of G for body only (with trade in).
A7iii was legendary when it came out (it still is! Sony gave us specs we could only dream of. Even latest bodies are just incrementally upgrading on that). Whats the next body that will last a while?

Is there a new one coming soon, so it will drop in price?
and most important Q for me: Does it drop in resolution on LCD when recording?

Everything else you said make sense.

Dec 08, 2023 at 05:45 PM

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