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Z7 11 with 70-200 s 2.8 lens flat images

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p.1 #1 · p.1 #1 · Z7 11 with 70-200 s 2.8 lens flat images

had to repost, im finding images with this combo are flat, no depth or detention. they are very sharp but next to my d850
they all just look flat. when I look at Flickr it looks all of them have this problem.
any ideas, or could it just be me . hate to sell it but my d850 and d700 just pop and this does not.
would it likely be the lens or camera.
Thanks

Dec 04, 2023 at 11:40 AM

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p.1 #2 · p.1 #2 · Z7 11 with 70-200 s 2.8 lens flat images

Steve201 wrote:
had to repost, im finding images with this combo are flat, no depth or detention. they are very sharp but next to my d850
they all just look flat. when I look at Flickr it looks all of them have this problem.
any ideas, or could it just be me . hate to sell it but my d850 and d700 just pop and this does not.
would it likely be the lens or camera.
Thanks

I feel the same about almost everything Z *shrug*

Dec 04, 2023 at 11:45 AM

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p.1 #3 · p.1 #3 · Z7 11 with 70-200 s 2.8 lens flat images

If you're shooting jpeg, experiment with your in-camera settings. If raw, then you need to work on your PP. Using the tools in ACR and PS you should be able to get a 3D look.

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Dec 04, 2023 at 12:23 PM

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p.1 #4 · p.1 #4 · Z7 11 with 70-200 s 2.8 lens flat images

Do you have examples?

Cheers,

George
Steve201 wrote:
had to repost, im finding images with this combo are flat, no depth or detention. they are very sharp but next to my d850
they all just look flat. when I look at Flickr it looks all of them have this problem.
any ideas, or could it just be me . hate to sell it but my d850 and d700 just pop and this does not.
would it likely be the lens or camera.
Thanks

Dec 04, 2023 at 12:36 PM

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p.1 #5 · p.1 #5 · Z7 11 with 70-200 s 2.8 lens flat images

I am not a full member and don't think I can upload

Dec 04, 2023 at 12:41 PM

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p.1 #6 · p.1 #6 · Z7 11 with 70-200 s 2.8 lens flat images

Without specific examples and only subjective description it is difficult to assess what you are seeing exactly.

I'll mirror the comment above from @Bernie, it is important to know how you're shooting and even settings. Heck, it is equally important to understand how you're viewing the images (hardware, size, distance, print?). At low ISO, the camera is collecting a really huge amount of color and dynamic range. Perhaps the pop you're accustomed to is related to shadow detail falloff. D850 should be nearly identical here, but lots of differences outside of camera and lens can impact this--specifically the shooting settings and conditions.

Until we have specific examples, it is hard to help.

Dec 04, 2023 at 02:08 PM

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p.1 #7 · p.1 #7 · Z7 11 with 70-200 s 2.8 lens flat images

Under Set Pic Control choose a setting. then press right side of wheel for submenu showing sharpening, contrast, etc.

Dec 04, 2023 at 02:44 PM

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p.1 #8 · p.1 #8 · Z7 11 with 70-200 s 2.8 lens flat images

thanks , im pretty good at working with ps. but doing a lot of test shots. my 70-200 s 2.8 lens
is loosing a lot of punch at 2.8 ,at 4 to 6 there is a big improvement . not the case with my afs version.

Dec 04, 2023 at 02:46 PM

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p.1 #9 · p.1 #9 · Z7 11 with 70-200 s 2.8 lens flat images

Post pix to facebook or other social media. Copy image link and post here

Dec 04, 2023 at 02:49 PM

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p.1 #10 · p.1 #10 · Z7 11 with 70-200 s 2.8 lens flat images

The instructions apply to jpg only. Raw remains as shot. All this is done in camera

Dec 04, 2023 at 02:52 PM

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p.1 #11 · p.1 #11 · Z7 11 with 70-200 s 2.8 lens flat images

https://www.kenrockwell.com/
Somewhere he has his camera settings. He goes over the top but it is a start. He writes for the soccer mom crowd, but there are some pearls. I can almost guarantee an onslaught of derision now.

Dec 04, 2023 at 02:59 PM

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p.1 #12 · p.1 #12 · Z7 11 with 70-200 s 2.8 lens flat images

Found this.
https://www.kenrockwell.com/tech/camera-adjustments.htm

Dec 04, 2023 at 03:05 PM

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Dec 04, 2023 at 09:15 PM

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p.1 #14 · p.1 #14 · Z7 11 with 70-200 s 2.8 lens flat images

Post links to the flickr photos?

Dec 04, 2023 at 09:22 PM

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p.1 #15 · p.1 #15 · Z7 11 with 70-200 s 2.8 lens flat images

Some decent pics in the image thread .. and I've used it on a z6ii and z7ii with good results
So yeah .. some examples of what you consider flat and boring will help

https://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/1661341/0

Dec 05, 2023 at 07:17 AM

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p.1 #16 · p.1 #16 · Z7 11 with 70-200 s 2.8 lens flat images

Too many variables, need all relevant capture and processing data. A blanket statement such as this is meaningless without it. Examples would be helpful as would posting the actual raw file for us to download and review.

First step is to turn active D lighting off and see if that helps.

Dec 05, 2023 at 08:53 AM

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p.1 #17 · p.1 #17 · Z7 11 with 70-200 s 2.8 lens flat images

It's just the processing. Broadly speaking, you can make any image look either flat or punchy quite easily.

I went from a D850 to a Z9 and if anything my photos are punchier than before because the Z glass is that much better. Image quality between the two cameras is virtually identical.

One thing that might be affecting your perception is if you have your picture control set to Flat or Neutral in order to get an accurate live histogram - if your editing program of choice is applying that profile, then your starting point will indeed look rather flat and lifeless. Every RAW converter looks different as well, and some are much better than others.

As others have said, there are way too many variables to answer this question without examples, knowing the workflow, camera settings, shooting environment, etc. Rest assured it has absolutely nothing to do with the camera or sensor.

Dec 05, 2023 at 10:40 AM

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p.1 #18 · p.1 #18 · Z7 11 with 70-200 s 2.8 lens flat images

Steve201 wrote:
I am not a full member and don't think I can upload

You are hosting your photos om Flickr, simple copy/paste the link of each pic in a post, no need for uploading anything else

Dec 05, 2023 at 01:31 PM

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p.1 #19 · p.1 #19 · Z7 11 with 70-200 s 2.8 lens flat images

https://www.flickr.com/gp/18732516@N08/ab3YiqX553
example. just learning this, I need to get the meta data to show. but I think you can see what im talking about.

Dec 06, 2023 at 10:59 AM

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p.1 #20 · p.1 #20 · Z7 11 with 70-200 s 2.8 lens flat images

Im no pro just learning, I just can't get anything from this camera I got from a d70 d750 d850 z711.
the glass in 24-70 2.8 s. 70-200 2.8 s.

Dec 06, 2023 at 11:02 AM

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