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p.8 #1 · p.8 #1 · Dear SANTA please make the R1 with


Based on various things Canon has shown over the years and where we are "with things" now, whatever a high resolution Canon 36x24 camera might up being is:

- Extremely Long Shot/Low Chance and likely not good enough in a few directions = 178.5 megapixels
- A Long shot, but actually possible with today's tech = 93.4 megapixels
- Probably a Long Shot, but doable = 84.4 megapixels
- Not really a long shot at all, but very doable = 74.7 megapixels
- A place where others dance, and Canon might want to join, but a bit too on the nose = 61.4 megapixels
- An interesting place that is a bit more than the now = 50 megapixels

I also would say, the sensor found in the R5 and R5C I think are worth iterating and advancing on. Good pixel size, decent for high resolution imaging at 45 megapixels. Throwing some new sensor technology towards that isn't a bad idea IMO and oddly the R5 stands up very well against other's higher resolution sensors when you really get down to image quality, noise, etc. This really makes the most sense so far when it comes to the Cinema EOS line.

I've mentioned before, this is really about Canon wanting to keep in the higher resolution space, which for me would be in that 70-100 megapixel range. I like the idea of a stills oriented professional body with the dangerous move of making video not a top priority, but with the state of things, hard to tell if they would do that.

I certainly know Canon is working on newer sensor designs with different structures than their usual direction. There have been gains in some directions when you see things like the R3. Stacked BSI is a relatively new thing to them still, though with that body being out circa 2021 and the R&D happening well before it, I suspect a lot more has been going on. And in true form, a very patient strategy to take their time on all of this.

To the point of the R1, for me the R3 is already a 1D style camera. But it's hard to say if an R1 goes for resolution or perhaps a higher speed 6K sort of thing, which is very much a 2024 thing going on. I want what the 1Ds was really and then the 5D moderately trampled that lineup out. And the R5 is said to be the mirrorless successor to the 5D series. So perhaps that's either a bit more resolution and/or video centric.

Pricing for me is an interesting thing. Hard to say where a high performance body fits into various market and pricing tiers. Right now the R3 is the most expensive RF mount body and R5 bodies can be had at a steal of a deal. There is likely a space in the $4500, $6500, and the not-so-recently explored $8000 tier for something notably advanced. The biggest issue is on the higher end of that pricing, you get to where middle-medium format exists and that's where you may have to play in some of the same waters when it comes to image quality.

I should also mention, Canon now has the ability to make larger format sensors effectively. It's unclear if they want to exist in that space as 135 and APS-C is their bread and butter. And APS-H has been MIA really. I don't think Canon is going to focus much on smaller than APS-C from here on out, but who knows.

And just to add, if whatever this thing is, like 30mp or whatever, that's fine. I'm just stating that there is a visible hole in Canon's lineup at the moment.



Feb 08, 2024 at 04:03 AM
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p.8 #2 · p.8 #2 · Dear SANTA please make the R1 with


Yeah I think 30MP in an extremely fast body is probably pushing the limits of what’s currently feasible in production, especially when looking at the a9 III which is the only current full frame body that resembles the rumored specs of the R1. The R1 managing to check most of the boxes of the a9 III without a global shutter would be a pretty huge achievement IMO, now that we’re seeing real world reviews of the a9 III and the impact the global shutter has had on low light and dynamic range Canon could have a real slam dunk. It’s easy to get hung up on resolution especially so after shooting with bodies like the R5 that spoil you with their image quality but I still pick the R3 over that 90% of the time and I’m never really regretting it. As long as light is solid and I nail the exposure the difference between the two isn’t that significant.

garyvot wrote:
Yes, and I think others are too. However, even 30 megapixels would be the largest increase in resolution (in percentage terms) for a Canon 1-series flagship body in a decade or two, I think.

1D Mark IV: 16 Mp
1D-X: 18 Mp
1D-X Mark II: 20 Mp
1D-X Mark III: 20 Mp

Canon has for many years prioritized speed over pixel density in its flagship model. I don't expect this is going to change based on what Sony or Nikon are doing.

Arguably, 30Mp may be at the upper limit of what is practical to shoot for a high volume, rapid turnaround workflow, as these
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Feb 08, 2024 at 10:38 AM
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Feb 08, 2024 at 06:11 PM
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p.8 #4 · p.8 #4 · Dear SANTA please make the R1 with


Fun to watch these prediction sites. Turning into a joke.
Canon Rumors missed this by several light years.
So , Canon Rumors is using a crystal ball now... and the others are following... Hahaha
My guess is you could make a buddy at a camera store and predict the same thing.



Feb 09, 2024 at 09:30 AM
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p.8 #5 · p.8 #5 · Dear SANTA please make the R1 with


gkinard1952 wrote:
Fun to watch these prediction sites. Turning into a joke.
Canon Rumors missed this by several light years.
So , Canon Rumors is using a crystal ball now... and the others are following... Hahaha
My guess is you could make a buddy at a camera store and predict the same thing.


It is human nature to speculate about the future. There is no harm in it if some people find it interesting or entertaining. If people don't make plans based on rumors they'll be fine.



Feb 09, 2024 at 11:45 AM
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p.8 #6 · p.8 #6 · Dear SANTA please make the R1 with



Do you have inside information? Now I'm curious!

gkinard1952 wrote:
Fun to watch these prediction sites. Turning into a joke.
Canon Rumors missed this by several light years.
So , Canon Rumors is using a crystal ball now... and the others are following... Hahaha
My guess is you could make a buddy at a camera store and predict the same thing.




Feb 12, 2024 at 03:29 PM
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p.8 #7 · p.8 #7 · Dear SANTA please make the R1 with


WaterfallJumper wrote:
Do you have inside information? Now I'm curious!

Yea sure, let me dust off my crystal ball and I will PM ya.






Feb 13, 2024 at 12:59 AM
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p.8 #8 · p.8 #8 · Dear SANTA please make the R1 with


When the moon is in the seventh house,
And Jupiter aligns with Mars,
Then peace will guide the planets,
And love will steer the stars, then and only then will the R1 be released so it is written so it is done.
from the book of Fro knows photo . com

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Feb 13, 2024 at 01:22 AM
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p.8 #9 · p.8 #9 · Dear SANTA please make the R1 with


Not sure how I could continually go on camera and say the same nonsense over and over and never be right, if I wanted to do that I'd have become a weather man. That said the speculation over this camera is all over the place and no where at all. I think we just need to wait and see.

Historically the 1 series premiere before Olympic games, thats pretty much the only trend they could possibly use as a guide. The rest is noise.

Also, does anyone else thing the R5 MK IV will be out before he hits 100k subscribers and gives away the R5? heh



Feb 13, 2024 at 02:42 AM
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p.8 #10 · p.8 #10 · Dear SANTA please make the R1 with


Canon Rumors now reporting that the R5 Mark II will be announced first with the R1 having a development announcement around the same time, seemingly around April. At this point I’ll believe it when I see it lol


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p.8 #11 · p.8 #11 · Dear SANTA please make the R1 with


I think people may sometimes forget that rumor sites *report* the rumors they hear, they don't make them up. CR at least tries to give a confidence rating to the rumors it publishes.

As with any speculation, there is a non-zero chance that what is reported will be wrong, but that is not something CR is responsible for. They exist, after all, to report *rumors*.



Feb 13, 2024 at 12:33 PM
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p.8 #12 · p.8 #12 · Dear SANTA please make the R1 with


https://www.canonrumors.com/canon-will-use-the-summer-olympics-to-launch-the-eos-r1-and-eos-r5-mark-ii/


Feb 14, 2024 at 05:32 PM
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p.8 #13 · p.8 #13 · Dear SANTA please make the R1 with


Honestly the R1 could come out tomorrow but I'd rather wait and buy the R5 II given what has been rumored. The R1 specs are boring imo. I can see why moving prediction is needed, the R3 struggles with panning action shots with subject + face detection enabled accurately. I don't believe the dynamic range will that much better than the R3 which isn't that much better than a 1dx2 given the resolution bump. Assuming you shoot video the codecs probably welcome addition, this seems like it should have been done years ago.

I don't know how others feel with all the R3/R6 II AI AF features but I find it to be a mental burden shooting sports vs the 1d bodies, so much to process at times for example like shooting basketball to achieve consistent keepers. No mentions of better smartphone integration which seems way behind what others are doing like dji, insta, and gopro to enhance the workflow. I hope there is more to this camera, especially given the sticker shock I'd guess will easily be past the R3.



Feb 15, 2024 at 12:54 AM
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p.8 #14 · p.8 #14 · Dear SANTA please make the R1 with


adamx12m wrote:
Honestly the R1 could come out tomorrow but I'd rather wait and buy the R5 II given what has been rumored.


Canon 1-series cameras have always been targeted to a smaller audience. Canon would never put it this way, but I don't think they are designed to be "jack of all trades" camera bodies, trading resolution for speed.

Most photographic disciplines are well served by 5- and 6-series cameras, and I think that is fine.




Feb 15, 2024 at 07:06 AM
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p.8 #15 · p.8 #15 · Dear SANTA please make the R1 with


I think #1 priority for a 1 series camera, even more important than speed, is reliability. Reliable function, build, Autofocus, operation. It needs to nail the picture and bring it home, no questions asked. Inconsistent AF would be a disaster for the R1, parameters slightly below the competition not.


Feb 15, 2024 at 07:34 AM
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p.8 #16 · p.8 #16 · Dear SANTA please make the R1 with


https://www.paris2024.org/en/


Feb 15, 2024 at 04:39 PM
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alundeb wrote:
I think #1 priority for a 1 series camera, even more important than speed, is reliability. Reliable function, build, Autofocus, operation. It needs to nail the picture and bring it home, no questions asked. Inconsistent AF would be a disaster for the R1, parameters slightly below the competition not.


Do you honestly think Canon would release the R1 if it didn’t meet all those criteria and then some?






Feb 15, 2024 at 07:34 PM
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p.8 #18 · p.8 #18 · Dear SANTA please make the R1 with


lighthound wrote:
Do you honestly think Canon would release the R1 if it didn’t meet all those criteria and then some?



what was the AF story with 1DIII ? so who says that it can't be repeated ? so Canon can always make an error and then some ...



Feb 15, 2024 at 08:50 PM
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p.8 #19 · p.8 #19 · Dear SANTA please make the R1 with




lighthound wrote:
Do you honestly think Canon would release the R1 if it didn’t meet all those criteria and then some?


Honestly, I think that they will ensure all those criteria are met at a point they believe is the right balance. Adding "then some" will always compromise something. Releasing too early is probably what they are most afraid of.

The rumored specs make sense in my opinion. Honestly, 30 MP is not low resolution and 50 MP is not high resolution. They are both balanced resolutions today. You can get high resolution as in 100 MP with a GFX100 for the same kind of money as the R3.



Feb 16, 2024 at 02:26 AM
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exdeejjjaaaa wrote:
what was the AF story with 1DIII ? so who says that it can't be repeated ? so Canon can always make an error and then some ...


With that logic, I suppose one could speculate that the Sony A1II will black out the EVF when the sun is coming from the rear just like it's predecessor did when released.

We're talking about the RF system here not the EF system. Canons AF system in the RF line can hardly be criticized in comparison to the competition.



Feb 16, 2024 at 11:16 AM
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