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p.7 #1 · p.7 #1 · Dear SANTA please make the R1 with

alundeb wrote:
Just curious, what is it that you make use of 50 MP over 30 for, among sports, weddings, events, portraits and video?

Cropping, punching in while shooting, re-framing, and large prints. 30MP is also not enough for 8K video, never mind open gate FF. It doesn’t take much to imagine use-case scenarios.

Jan 22, 2024 at 11:54 AM

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p.7 #2 · p.7 #2 · Dear SANTA please make the R1 with

You have totally missed my point.

You used the title, "Flagship" seven times in your response, so you apparently consider an extremely important standard.

I don't consider it wrong, or foolish for anyone one to buy/own any brand, multiple brands, and/or multiple models within any brand, if it serves their purpose.

I just consider it rather childish to be so obsessed with making a colloquial ranking title like "Flagship", or for that matter, a model's, or brands ranking position, as the primary criteria for choosing.

I used the term flagship in response to you, because you were so bothered by it with your posts in which you were bashing the concept, even to go as far as naming the R7 the "Flagboat"? Talk about childish. Go back and read the thread again, I asked a simple question about which body was going to be the flagship and it triggered you. I did not make up the word flagship, nor did I make up the fact that we were waiting on one from Canon. People have been talking about it and waiting for it for years, and wanting a response to the A1. So they can carry one body, instead of two.

It sounds like you think a lot of people around here who use the term "flagship" are childish, including Canon itself:

But in the interview, Tishchenko says that "the Canon EOS R3 does not exactly replace the 1D X, nor is it a flagship"[/I]

https://www.techradar.com/news/canon-explains-why-the-canon-eos-r3-isnt-its-flagship-mirrorless-camera

Jan 22, 2024 at 12:05 PM

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p.7 #3 · p.7 #3 · Dear SANTA please make the R1 with

bu82 wrote:
Cropping, punching in while shooting, re-framing, and large prints. 30MP is also not enough for 8K video, never mind open gate FF. It doesn’t take much to imagine use-case scenarios.

Thank you, it is not that I cannot imagine use cases, as I am a resolution guy myself. It is just that for these fields, many people positively do not want more than 24 MP. It is interesting to hear that resolution is "hot" as long as the speed follows.

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Jan 22, 2024 at 12:05 PM

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p.7 #4 · p.7 #4 · Dear SANTA please make the R1 with

bu82 wrote:
This right here. After shooting Canon professionally for 20 years, I finally gave up waiting for the R1 and moved to Nikon Z9 bodies and lenses. Coming from 1DXMKII and 5DMK4 bodies and EF lenses, it would have cost about the same to move to a R3/R5 combo and RF lenses, so cost wasn’t an issue or the deciding factor. The Z9 is simply way more attractive to me, as I shoot sports, weddings, events, portraits, and also videos. So having a flagship body that can do all that is invaluable to me. I always shoot and work with two...Show more →

I don't fear for Canon's survival, haha, but I am really pleased to see Nikon coming back so strongly after what seemed like a very difficult stretch. They were somewhat slow to make the transition ro mirrorless and their first generation products were compromises (as were Canon's, to be fair). It seemed for a while that their market share was tanking rapidly. Glad to see it correct.

Though I've always been a Canon shooter, I've used Nikon off and on over multiple decades. As someone who got his start as a photojournalist, I have a fondness for the brand because of how strongly Nikon is associated with that discipline.

And by the way, I can remember when a bunch of Nikon users switched to Canon when it had a significant lead in full-frame sensor tech. Most of them eventually switched back. Short-term advantages ebb and flow between the brands, which is why brand switching often does not convey the lasting advantage people think it does.

Nonetheless, Nikon looks like a good choice for many nowadays which is great.

Jan 22, 2024 at 12:36 PM

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p.7 #5 · p.7 #5 · Dear SANTA please make the R1 with

omg how did anyone do anything before , Film days My 5 pixel Sony 707, great D4s 16 mega pix, D700 12mpix . I still have a 20x 30 hanging on the wall from the Sony 707. Know one has ever asked me how many megapixles it was shot with. Also with computational photography the camera will start giving you resolution options , its coming . 3d Sensors not far off.

Jan 22, 2024 at 02:18 PM

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p.7 #6 · p.7 #6 · Dear SANTA please make the R1 with

garyvot wrote:
I don't fear for Canon's survival, haha, but I am really pleased to see Nikon coming back so strongly after what seemed like a very difficult stretch. They were somewhat slow to make the transition ro mirrorless and their first generation products were compromises (as were Canon's, to be fair). It seemed for a while that their market share was tanking rapidly. Glad to see it correct.

Though I've always been a Canon shooter, I've used Nikon off and on over multiple decades. As someone who got his start as a photojournalist, I have a fondness for the brand because of...Show more →

TBH, I didn't pay too much attention to what Nikon was doing when I was shooting Canon, and the switch for me was really a switch from DSLRs to mirrorless and new lenses. Like I said, had I stayed with Canon, the R3 + R5 + RF lenses would have cost as much as going to Z9s and Z lenses did. I see no point going back and forth, and it took me years to even consider moving to mirrorless. I know YouTubers and hobbyists change systems frequently, or at least talk about it, but most pros I know do not. The Z9 was just the right tool at the right time for me. Simple as that really. Overheating in video and/or poor battery life are not an issue with the Z9, and I can't say the same for any current Canon camera.

Jan 22, 2024 at 10:56 PM

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p.7 #7 · p.7 #7 · Dear SANTA please make the R1 with

garyvot wrote:
If these rumors are true, I suspect there will be more than 6MP that separates these bodies.

But it also may be that the R1 is a direct replacement for the R3, and an R3 Mark II may never materialize.

Lovely as it is, the R3 always felt like something of a stopgap to me. Canon needed a mirrorless sports body but wasn't ready with whatever sensor tech they had lined up for the R1, hence the R3. That might also be why they initially priced the R3 the way they did (too high, IMO, to slot neatly in between the...Show more →

People always asked for the mythical EOS 3D, as a 1D lite. Maybe it can work out with the R3, even with a 1-series body, once we see the price tag for the R1.

Jan 23, 2024 at 08:31 AM

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p.7 #8 · p.7 #8 · Dear SANTA please make the R1 with

Most oI see no point going back and forth, and it took me years to even consider moving to mirrorless. I know YouTubers and hobbyists change systems frequently, or at least talk about it, but most pros I know do not.

I'm not a pro. I don't even know any pros. But I'm amazed at the number of people that switch between brands seemingly at the drop in a hat.

It took me a while to build my RF lens library up. I can't even imagine starting from square one to move to Sony for example.

Jan 23, 2024 at 11:13 AM

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p.7 #9 · p.7 #9 · Dear SANTA please make the R1 with

One thing to keep in mind, while we wait for the official specs to be released, is that all these latest rumors all started from one single source in china which was e8m. They almost always have gotten leaked rumors wrong in the past. He/they report registered cameras and obviously can report those correctly as they are based on facts. But rumors... not so much and has a bad track record.
So the specs we are hearing today are likely mostly wrong as some of you already suspect when questioning specs such as the astonishing 0.8ms read-out speed or the crazy 1/1250 flash sync speed.

We'll just have to wait and see.

Jan 24, 2024 at 09:07 AM

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p.7 #10 · p.7 #10 · Dear SANTA please make the R1 with

Those rumored specs are pretty accurate, including 0.8 mS readout, you have it from me, after all the R1 WILL be "insane"!

Jan 24, 2024 at 02:54 PM

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p.7 #11 · p.7 #11 · Dear SANTA please make the R1 with

alundeb wrote:
Those rumored specs are pretty accurate, including 0.8 mS readout, you have it from me, after all the R1 WILL be "insane"!

No wait! Are you telling us that the R1 will in fact have a readout speed that is 5X faster then the A1 and Z9?

OMG!! That just can't be true! Too many heads would explode around here.

Nah, who am I kidding. That embarrassing fact would be quickly swept under the carpet as it's far more important to talk about it only shooting 6.7K video and not 8K.
Like anyone on the planet could see the difference. But hey, it's on the spec sheet so lets pretend it's a big issue.
We've already learned here that a world leading AF system isn't all that important.

Jan 24, 2024 at 04:59 PM

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p.7 #12 · p.7 #12 · Dear SANTA please make the R1 with

lighthound wrote:
We'll just have to wait and see.

That's NOT what's done here.

Jan 24, 2024 at 06:54 PM

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p.7 #13 · p.7 #13 · Dear SANTA please make the R1 with

lighthound wrote:
No wait! Are you telling us that the R1 will in fact have a readout speed that is 5X faster then the A1 and Z9?

OMG!! That just can't be true! Too many heads would explode around here.

Feb 07, 2024 at 02:20 AM

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p.7 #14 · p.7 #14 · Dear SANTA please make the R1 with

Hey on a more serious note - did Canon actually announce the R1 in any form yet ? Don't they usually do some kind of development announcement or something.

I am a little confused given this mythical R1 has been 'coming next month' since, well I guess since the A9. But instead we got the R3 and now I can't recall if Canon has ever officially said an R1 is actually a thing.

So is it still just 100% speculation or does Canon have some announcement saying it is in the works ?

Feb 07, 2024 at 02:24 AM

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p.7 #15 · p.7 #15 · Dear SANTA please make the R1 with

Still no word from Canon.

BUT, they have now registered a new ILC camera for wireless certification.

I'm guessing 2-3 weeks from now, we will hear something.

Feb 07, 2024 at 03:32 AM

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p.7 #16 · p.7 #16 · Dear SANTA please make the R1 with

This is the latest I can remember Canon holding out on its Olympic Flagship. It has got to be soon.

1DXIII: Jan 20, 2020
1DXII: Feb 6, 2016
1DX: Oct 18, 2011

Feb 07, 2024 at 08:11 AM

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p.7 #17 · p.7 #17 · Dear SANTA please make the R1 with

I’m still holding out hope for a bit more resolution than 30MP but if tracking is drastically improved then the resolution could be less of an issue. I’d rather have subjects in-focus more consistently at closer ranges than having to crop in on a shot that’s slightly out of focus. I’m also wondering how much of a difference 16bit RAW would make with being able to upscale and get cleaner results. I’m still favoring the R3 over the R5 these days so I guess any bump in resolution and the other improvements to the R1 specs will make me a happy camper.

Feb 07, 2024 at 10:18 AM

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p.7 #18 · p.7 #18 · Dear SANTA please make the R1 with

I saw someone on Canon Rumors mention something about four lenses being announced on the 14th, who knows how credible it is but with CP+ coming up in a few weeks I’d imagine we’ll see something soon to coincide with that.

arbitrage wrote:
This is the latest I can remember Canon holding out on its Olympic Flagship. It has got to be soon.

1DXIII: Jan 20, 2020
1DXII: Feb 6, 2016
1DX: Oct 18, 2011

Feb 07, 2024 at 10:31 AM

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p.7 #19 · p.7 #19 · Dear SANTA please make the R1 with

Tony5787 wrote:
I’m still holding out hope for a bit more resolution than 30MP.

Yes, and I think others are too. However, even 30 megapixels would be the largest increase in resolution (in percentage terms) for a Canon 1-series flagship body in a decade or two, I think.

1D Mark IV: 16 Mp
1D-X: 18 Mp
1D-X Mark II: 20 Mp
1D-X Mark III: 20 Mp

Canon has for many years prioritized speed over pixel density in its flagship model. I don't expect this is going to change based on what Sony or Nikon are doing.

Arguably, 30Mp may be at the upper limit of what is practical to shoot for a high volume, rapid turnaround workflow, as these cameras are most used for. Canon knows this market well.

It will be interesting to see what the camera actually delivers. If some of these specs are correct, then the R1 may have a speed advantage over the higher resolution competition. This will be a good trade-off for some, and disappoint, or at least provide brand war fodder for, others.

Feb 07, 2024 at 12:35 PM

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p.7 #20 · p.7 #20 · Dear SANTA please make the R1 with

If they go with around 30MP for the R1 then I hope to r5ii goes to 60MP as a high res pro camera in the lineup,

Feb 07, 2024 at 10:48 PM

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