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Bad experience with Sony A1 at cold temps

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p.2 #1 · p.2 #1 · Bad experience with Sony A1 at cold temps

For that troll on Nikon call him on the carpet

Nov 13, 2023 at 09:07 PM

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1bwana1 wrote:
All of that is untrue. I shot and owned a Z camera on the first day of release. I shot the Z9 well before you did for sure. I recently shot the Z9 and a variety of lenses on a trip to Eastern Washington. At least get your facts straight before making your inaccurate and immature posts.

Posting untrue statements to stir things up is the definition of trolling as you well know. You bragged about how much you enjoy doing this in writing here on FM Forums. A clear example of immaturity.

I'm pretty sure he didn't mean you, Steve.

Nov 13, 2023 at 09:43 PM

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molson wrote:
I'm pretty sure he didn't mean you, Steve.

I am pretty sure he did. Doesn't bother me at all. His immaturity affects much more of his World than here in FM. Sad case really.

Nov 13, 2023 at 09:53 PM

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p.2 #4 · p.2 #4 · Bad experience with Sony A1 at cold temps

I didn't read it that he was talking about you either, he was agreeing with you earlier in the thread. Unless I missed something....

1bwana1 wrote:
I am pretty sure he did. Doesn't bother me at all. His immaturity affects much more of his World than here in FM. Sad case really.

Nov 13, 2023 at 09:56 PM

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p.2 #5 · p.2 #5 · Bad experience with Sony A1 at cold temps

If only the card slots were closer to the battery, it would have been a good suggestion.
That's if it is the cold battery causing problems.
If it's the CF-E not liking the cold, it may be a great idea.
Oh shock horror, the 'troll' making the best post in the thread!

Nov 13, 2023 at 10:05 PM

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p.2 #6 · p.2 #6 · Bad experience with Sony A1 at cold temps

In this thread it's about cameras and batteries in cold and really nothing to do with any brand. it affects all brands.

But seriously this bullshit needs to end or nobody will be here. Im surprised I still am.

Golf is waiting .

Nov 15, 2023 at 06:38 AM

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p.2 #7 · p.2 #7 · Bad experience with Sony A1 at cold temps

I too just came back from Churchill too. My A1 started having all kinds of weird issues including not powering up, file creation issues. It was my battery grip. Once I removed it, no more problems. It did this in CO/WY as well earlier in the year in cold weather. When I got back to KS, it was fine with the battery grip. Ugh. So no more battery grip in cold weather for the A1.

Nov 16, 2023 at 05:55 PM

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I just came back from an unforgettable weeklong trip to Churchill, MB. Most days the temperature was around -10C or warmer, with one day getting down to about -17C. And more than once, my Sony A1 gave me trouble

It would just stop recognizing the memory cards and would refuse to shoot! The usual checks and resets (i.e., remove/insert battery, remove/insert card, unmount/mount lens, etc.) would be of no help. And I tried both Sony Tough and ProGrade cards to no avail. I would just have to leave the camera in the car, and after an hour or so,...Show more →

Yep. For tougher weather like hot/cold, rain, dust.. go Nikon

Nov 16, 2023 at 07:03 PM

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p.2 #9 · p.2 #9 · Bad experience with Sony A1 at cold temps

i was in Yosemite in Jan. it was snowing heavily. my A1 didn't skip a beat. did not use the grip

Nov 16, 2023 at 07:29 PM

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p.2 #10 · p.2 #10 · Bad experience with Sony A1 at cold temps

Interesting, as I have already witnessed a Nikon Z9 LCD stop functioning after a short rain storm... meanwhile several A1s were happily ticking. Sorry but Nikon isn't any tougher

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Yep. For tougher weather like hot/cold, rain, dust.. go Nikon

Nov 17, 2023 at 03:27 AM

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p.2 #11 · p.2 #11 · Bad experience with Sony A1 at cold temps

I would almost bet money on there being a bad solder join somewhere on the memory card daughterboard which is lifting off a contact just enough to glitch when the join contracts in the cold and then working again once warm and expanded to touch the trace again.

Someone also mentioned losing phone connection to the camera in the cold...I'm not surprised. The wireless boards in a lot of electronics are extremely sensitive and the Bluetooth/wifi board in the A1 is already the most likely part of the A1 to fail anyways judging by a lot of forum posts here and elsewhere.

Nov 18, 2023 at 08:33 AM

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p.2 #12 · p.2 #12 · Bad experience with Sony A1 at cold temps

I have used both my Sony and Nikon equipment in all types of weather without issue. The part mostly to be limiting due to weather is me, the photographer. If I am willing to go out and shoot, my cameras will hang with me.

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Nov 18, 2023 at 08:56 AM

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The trick is keep shooting and I think you were doing it right.

Basic physics tells us that when a current I passes through a resistance R, it generates I*I*R Joule of heat. Camera image sensor, battery, memory card and processing chip all have resistance and thus generate heat at operating. This small heat is critical at extreme low temperature.

I guess A1, R5 or Z9 all use consumer rated chips and they are good between 0 to 70 Celsius. However, it's possible to put a temperature sensor inside and heat up the PCB a bit so the camera can label it range from -5C.

saaketham wrote:
Last time I used my a1 was in -10F at a wildlife refuge.
I shot with it for 3-4 hours, and the only issue was the battery drained faster than normal.
Camera never stopped working, although I did often get back inside my warm SUV to give myself and the gear some warmth.

Nov 18, 2023 at 09:52 AM

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p.2 #14 · p.2 #14 · Bad experience with Sony A1 at cold temps

I looked at getting early A7 series for alts but the cold shooting issue is one reason I didn't. Haven't heard anything about the A1 30fps isn't likely to help much though. Cold hurts battery

I don't pay much attention to the specs but Canon DSLR's much better, potentially to -40° C or F, apparently. I go out in over 104° F, it gets left in the car, and I shoot at below freezing, and have had lack of battery life (3rd party?) Haven't shot in -10° C or less on digital though IIRC, shot in much colder on film.

Nov 18, 2023 at 09:55 AM

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tonychen wrote:
I guess A1, R5 or Z9 all use consumer rated chips and they are good between 0 to 70 Celsius. However, it's possible to put a temperature sensor inside and heat up the PCB a bit so the camera can label it range from -5C.

Cold has no detrimental effects on the integrated circuits (a.k.a. "chips"), nor does it affect the imaging sensor; it only affects battery performance and liquid crystal displays. The most common pitfall for people not used to shooting in cold weather is dealing with condensation caused by moving between cold and warm environments.

The Sony NP-FZ100 batteries outperform any of the competition's small-format batteries; the only way to get better battery life in cold weather is go to an R3 or Z9, or go to back to a DSLR. But then the battery life is not the issue the the OP described.

Nov 18, 2023 at 05:15 PM

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p.2 #16 · p.2 #16 · Bad experience with Sony A1 at cold temps

Spot on...

molson wrote:
Cold has no detrimental effects on the integrated circuits (a.k.a. "chips"), nor does it affect the imaging sensor; it only affects battery performance and liquid crystal displays. The most common pitfall for people not used to shooting in cold weather is dealing with condensation caused by moving between cold and warm environments.

The Sony NP-FZ100 batteries outperform any of the competition's small-format batteries; the only way to get better battery life in cold weather is go to an R3 or Z9, or go to back to a DSLR. But then the battery life is not the issue the the OP described.

Nov 19, 2023 at 04:05 AM

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molson wrote:
Cold has no detrimental effects on the integrated circuits (a.k.a. "chips"), nor does it affect the imaging sensor; it only affects battery performance and liquid crystal displays. The most common pitfall for people not used to shooting in cold weather is dealing with condensation caused by moving between cold and warm environments.

The Sony NP-FZ100 batteries outperform any of the competition's small-format batteries; the only way to get better battery life in cold weather is go to an R3 or Z9, or go to back to a DSLR. But then the battery life is not the issue the the OP described.

Well, that is not very accurate. It depends on how cold it gets! I have now worked for ~23 years in the semiconductor industry as my day job. For all the chips I have worked on, we typically spec -30 to 85C operating temp (except for chips targeting automotive market which typically requires higher max operating temp of 105 or even 125C). That means that as long as the temp stays above -30C, our chips will function in the sense that our key performance indices stay within the range we have specified in our datasheet. But our chip performance does degrade even, say, at -10C when compared to our nominal performance at room temp, particularly for the analog and mixed signal blocks on the chip (e.g., A/D and D/A, PMU, etc.). But, in theory, the user may not notice any such performance degradation as our chip is expected to remain "functional" with our performance indices still within the expected range (though deviated further from Typical performance). I haven't worked on image sensors but I am sure the same story would apply to image sensors as well. They are likely rated to remain functional down to -30C or so, but their performance will get impacted as the temperature goes further away from room temp.

All that said, it is true that the bottleneck in cold temp operation will always be the battery, the LCD, and likely the memory cards.

Nov 24, 2023 at 11:38 PM

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kimmeisinger wrote:
I too just came back from Churchill too. My A1 started having all kinds of weird issues including not powering up, file creation issues. It was my battery grip. Once I removed it, no more problems. It did this in CO/WY as well earlier in the year in cold weather. When I got back to KS, it was fine with the battery grip. Ugh. So no more battery grip in cold weather for the A1.

Interesting. Thanks for sharing your experience. Yes, I did have the battery grip on. I thought about removing it, but my battery grip was already on my camera, and I had not taken the battery compartment cover with me so I couldn't remove my grip. I will certainly remove the grip from A1 next time I am shooting in cold temps.

Nov 24, 2023 at 11:41 PM

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p.2 #19 · p.2 #19 · Bad experience with Sony A1 at cold temps

There is a place to park the battery cover on the battery grip. I had forgotten about that until a friend showed me and sure enough, it was waiting right there. I was really grateful. Good luck!

Nov 25, 2023 at 07:17 AM

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p.2 #20 · p.2 #20 · Bad experience with Sony A1 at cold temps

FWIW, I used the battery grip in cold and had no issues. In fact, the grip made it easier to change batteries with the camera remaining on the tripod undisturbed.

Nov 25, 2023 at 12:45 PM

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