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Torn over my RZ67 Pro II

  
 
Lee Saxon
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p.3 #1 · p.3 #1 · Torn over my RZ67 Pro II


Other than the fact that certain films not available in sheet format are available in 120, I kind of think if you're going to deal with as big of a clunker as an RB/RZ, you might as well go 4x5.


Nov 11, 2023 at 08:31 PM
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retrofocus wrote:
Bought my RZ67 Pro Version I (version II has few improvements over the first version as I recall especially for usage with a digital back) with 110/2.8 Z-lens for $500 used in excellent condition in 2018. I have used the camera for a while but meanwhile have pretty much not used it for quite some time. It has been replaced by the Hasselblad 500 C/M which I prefer using for medium format film instead for several reasons where the Mamiya system lacks:

- Weight: the RZ67 Pro is more a studio camera. Carry it several miles for landscape photography, and you
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I think 2018 was the peak time for ridiculously cheap film cameras. I wish I had bought more cameras then. My RZ67 Pro ii with 110mm f2.8 Z lens cost me four times what you paid when I bought it last year. This was from a dealer, so some comfort that it was not a lemon and condition was quite good (not heavily worn from professional use).

I have not seen these cameras in the same condition significantly cheaper on ebay. I suppose there is a chance of getting one cheaper from an ignorant widow, but then there is the guilt that you are stealing from them.

These are heavy cameras but manageable in the field if you have a good backpack and only take one lens (I have a one lens at a time rule anyway). I would avoid the prism finder as it adds a massive amount of bulk and weight.




Nov 12, 2023 at 03:51 AM
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AndereObjektiv wrote:
For portraiture, still life, macro the RZ67 Pro has a look that none really match. Their are competitors, for sure, but the way the lenses draw is quite unique. Mamiya MF digital back mount available too.



I would agree with that. I was blown away with the quality of results I got on my first roll. This was shot at f22 using Portra 160. I think exposure time was about 4 sec. The macro focussing ability is impressive. No post-processing of the scan except adding a white border.


Roses by Andrew D, on Flickr



Nov 12, 2023 at 03:56 AM
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Lee Saxon wrote:
Other than the fact that certain films not available in sheet format are available in 120, I kind of think if you're going to deal with as big of a clunker as an RB/RZ, you might as well go 4x5.


It is true that a 4x5 rig will be similar weight or even less if you go for a wooden field camera. However the costs for film and developing will be 5-6 times higher, and the workflow in the field is much slower than the already slow workflow with the RZ.






Nov 12, 2023 at 04:42 AM
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p.3 #5 · p.3 #5 · Torn over my RZ67 Pro II


Mamiya 7/7II plus 43/4.5,50/4.5,65/4,80/4 and 150/4.5 lenses was my beloved travel kit once upon the time.I can recommend it wholeheartedly.

Mamiya 6/6MF that I used earlier was also excellent,smaller,lighter and folding,but had much fewer system lenses (only 50/4,75/3.5 and 150/4.5).Now it is probably hard to get one in good condition with lenses.

Also relatively small,folding 4x5inch large format camera Linhof Lechnika IV,that I used to have for about 10 years was a good option,with set of lenses and rollcasettes for 6x12cm,6x9cm and 6x7cm formats.I backed it up with Mamiya 645 Pro TL and a range of dedicated lenses,when I needed something easier and quicker to work with.




Nov 12, 2023 at 05:35 AM
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The Linhoff Technika 4x5 cameras are the Rolls Royce of large format cameras. They are still being made today and you can buy the current Master Technika for an eye watering price. I have a fully serviced Super Technika V from 1968 which is quite close to the Master Technika now being sold.

Embarrassingly, I have not used it because of the logistics involved in handling and processing the film. Very few labs deal with 4x5 film here so it requires acquiring the specialised equipment and having the space to store it and the time to learn how to do the processing and scanning to a standard high enough for a camera of this quality. I will get around to this one day



Nov 12, 2023 at 12:07 PM
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After having owned quite a few different MF cameras and systems over the years I’ve settled on the Hasselblad 501CM and Mamiya 6. The latter is super compact and easy to use.

The ones I let go were the RZ67, Pentax 67, Pentax 645 and a couple of Hasselblad 2000/200 series. The Pentax 645 I really miss. Handles beautifully, great lenses and not too big and heavy. Getting 16 images per roll is nice too.

I’ve always wanted to try the Bronica RF645, seems really nice. But electronics…



Nov 13, 2023 at 03:59 PM
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sputnik wrote:
I’ve always wanted to try the Bronica RF645, seems really nice. But electronics…


what's the worry? if anything happens your local Bronica dealer will take care of it.




Nov 13, 2023 at 04:39 PM
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p.3 #9 · p.3 #9 · Torn over my RZ67 Pro II


So...this kit has been sitting on the B/S/T forum for 3 months with nary a nibble...so, I've opened that listing up for trades...if you have been wanting an RZ67ii and having something interesting gathering dust, hit me up.

https://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/1831825/0?keyword=mamiya,rz67#16387607



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I shot with two RZ's for many years, and RB's before that. Always used the prism finder's and the RZ had their AE prism finder as well, but you could use either the RB or RZ finder on the RZ as the connection was interchangeable. I shot many of my most well known images with these cameras and while I often started off on a tripod, invariably, I'd take it off and shoot hand held for much of the session, climbing ladders or crouching low to get interesting angles. The prism finders did crop a tiny bit from the actual frame, so occasionally I'd slap the waist level finder on to check exact framing when that was critical or if the camera was on the ground.

Most used lenses for me for shooting people were the RZ 150mm 3.5 and the 210mm 4.5 APO as well as the 50mm 65mm and a wonderful RB 90mm and believe it or not, quite often the 37mm fisheye.

I would often load up a body and three or four lenses in a Lowe-Pro backpack and hike for several miles in places like Chaco Canyon or the San Gabriel mountains. Heavy, yes. But still doable if image making was your goal. Hell, back then my tripod weighed fifteen pounds and I lugged that around too.

All I've got left is an old RB prism finder and a 6x6 film magazine. Everything else I sold about two years ago here on the FM Buy/Sell and it all went just about as soon as I listed it except for the two items I mentioned.

It was a great camera for its time with fabulous if underrated lenses, especially compared to Hasselblad but it was and still is big and bulky and while it is great for anyone wanting to shoot film, there is no place for it anymore in the commercial world.



Feb 18, 2024 at 01:13 PM
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p.3 #11 · p.3 #11 · Torn over my RZ67 Pro II


Sounds like you want to sell it. As long as it doesn’t offend the person who gave it to you.


Feb 18, 2024 at 05:42 PM
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white wrote:
Sounds like you want to sell it. As long as it doesn’t offend the person who gave it to you.


I'm more interested in finding it a home where it will be used, it's a beautiful piece of machinery that deserves more than sitting in my bag 364 days a year.

The hard part for me is traveling with it, only car trips are really possible with it and those are few and far between since anything of interest is 10 hours away at a minimum.

Worst case I'll donate it to my local film lab so that they can use it for classes. I'm not worried about "selling" it at all.



Feb 18, 2024 at 06:09 PM
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I have an RZ Pro ii and love it with 120 and Zinstax backs. 110/2.8, 180/4.5, 50 ULD, and the 75 shift. It’s a great system that fits in a backpack for me on a short day trip by car. I travel for a living and take a Mamiya 6MF with the 75/3.5 and 50/4. The metering is exceptionally good and the AEL mode is perfect for quickly pointing at middle grays or an intended zone for exposure and then recomposing. I just shot some landscapes in Red Rock Canyon with both systems. Averaging highlights, mid tones, and shadows on my Sekonic L858 and the Mamiya 6 meter was right on the same exposure every time. The 6 collapses much smaller than the 7 due to the nesting lens cones, and the lenses (except the 50) are cheap. All are excellent, though the 50 is amazing. Mamiya 6 systems seem to sell with the 75 and maybe another lens for less than half the price of 7s.

Fotodiox does make an RZ to mirrorless lens adapter for at least Sony E and I think also Fuji GFX. It has a built in helicoid for focusing. Might be a fun $200 experiment to see if the lenses still bring you joy.



Feb 20, 2024 at 03:13 AM
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p.3 #14 · p.3 #14 · Torn over my RZ67 Pro II


All medium format cameras have tradeoffs, of course. If you're looking for a lighter, portable, "modern" 6x7 rangefinder, your only options are Mamiya 7, Fuji GW670II/III, Fuji GF670/W, and Makina 67/W67/670. They are all great but I lean towards the Makina. It's arguably the most portable and offers the fast and fantastic Nikkor 80/2.8 (and 55/4.5). The downsides are that it feels more fragile in operation than the Mamiya, and the bellows is a semi-disposable item that will need to be replaced. It is fully mechanical, the battery only powers the meter and is not required.

I'm not sure about the GFX50R. I wanted to like it but I feel like it's still too far of a departure from the operation of a 6x7 rangefinder. I hope Fuji revisits the form factor with an X-Pro style optical viewfinder.



Feb 20, 2024 at 08:10 AM
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One reason why I keep both my Mamiya RZ67 Pro and my Hasselblad 500 C/M is the option to add digital backs. This already works, but they are pricey with much smaller sensors than the original 6x7 or 6x6 size. Hasselblad offers compatible backs CFV 50c or 100c for the 500 C/M. I expect to see more of these kind of digital solutions replacing traditional film backs of some film-based medium format cameras in the future especially when larger sensors become more affordable. I remember to have read that the Pro II version of the RZ67 is actually even a bit better for digital back attachment than the Pro version.


Feb 20, 2024 at 01:28 PM
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p.3 #16 · p.3 #16 · Torn over my RZ67 Pro II


Late night random thought (read: late night bad ideas). What if you rented out the thing?


Feb 20, 2024 at 11:52 PM
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p.3 #17 · p.3 #17 · Torn over my RZ67 Pro II


Sell it to KEH etc. If they want it. They would sell it to someone who would want to use it.


Feb 28, 2024 at 02:37 PM
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