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Don't believe the Hype R3 vs Sony R5

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p.1 #1 · p.1 #1 · Don't believe the Hype R3 vs Sony R5

My Friend just purchased a Sony A7rv two weeks ago and Started complaining that indoors the Camera struggles to find focus. So I lent him My R3 (3 sleepless nights) and I took his R5. Well it is very slow indoors to find focus. Im not shooting in the dark like I can with my R3 it never fails, I have two coffee table lights on and a 70 inch Tv and was pointing at some nick knacks and the Camera really struggled meaning very slow. I dont know if it is a defective Camera or what. The Picture quality is excellent. Outdoor focus excellent. But birds ahh, I went to my local lake here and tried some stationary Ducks and swimming ones. If they are within 25 feet Sony locks on , anything further the camera doesn't see them it focuses on the water. So my buddy returned it for a new one and its the same thing. He told me my R3 was fantastick but way to big for him. I was surprised at the focusing. Peace out no hate just my observation love Sony always a innovator competition good and Sony does not stop 3rd party lenses which I feel is going to hurt Canon in the long run. Mac

Sony lens was a 24-70 2.8 GM 2

Nov 02, 2023 at 10:47 AM

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p.1 #2 · p.1 #2 · Don't believe the Hype R3 vs Sony R5

How does the a1 compare? That would seem to be more of an action-centric camera as a high MP solution from Sony. Seems to be quite popular with the Sony birders and I see a lot of them now on football sidelines.

Nov 02, 2023 at 10:55 AM

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p.1 #3 · p.1 #3 · Don't believe the Hype R3 vs Sony R5

I rented one about two years ago when I was going down to ding darling wildlife on Sanibel Island . It was fantastic with the birds . I dont think I used it indoors. Thats where I realized how hard Birding is .

Nov 02, 2023 at 11:20 AM

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p.1 #4 · p.1 #4 · Don't believe the Hype R3 vs Sony R5

Well, not really fair to compare a landscape/studio camera with a sports camera...

I've used the a7RV extensively and I'd say the AI-driven AF system is its absolute strength, but you have to understand and dial in the settings and become familiar with it. It takes much more than a day or two to master an AF system. I don't shoot BIF, but the real advantage is how it tracks e.g. people, anticipating where the eyes will be when someone turns around, capturing the eye from a profile, etc. Again, the AF system is not optimized for speed and low-light like a sports-monster like the R3.

The R3 should be compared to the a1, or the upcoming a9iii, not the a7RV.

Having said all of this - the sensor read-out speed of the a7RV > rolling shutter, the EVF black-out and how the EVF loses resolution when you are shooting, the UI and ergs, etc may all be very good causes to look elsewhere...

Nov 02, 2023 at 11:55 AM

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p.1 #5 · p.1 #5 · Don't believe the Hype R3 vs Sony R5

I would agree, the A7R5 is not the best inside when there is low light. Sure there are things to do to get close, but it does not hit like the A1. Most of the time indoors I use manual focus as I did on a job this morning. But when focus is nailed the shots are amazing.

Outside I do not have a problem. Outside night shoots, well I never use auto focus for my night shots.

This has me thinking as my second camera I should go back to A1 and A7r5 combo.

Nov 02, 2023 at 11:59 AM

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p.1 #6 · p.1 #6 · Don't believe the Hype R3 vs Sony R5

Here's hoping you can say that the Canon is better than the Sony on the Canon forum.

Nov 02, 2023 at 12:10 PM

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p.1 #7 · p.1 #7 · Don't believe the Hype R3 vs Sony R5

AmbientMike wrote:
Here's hoping you can say that the Canon is better than the Sony on the Canon forum.

Nov 02, 2023 at 01:17 PM

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p.1 #8 · p.1 #8 · Don't believe the Hype R3 vs Sony R5

AmbientMike wrote:
Here's hoping you can say that the Canon is better than the Sony on the Canon forum.

I do believe in the R5, R6/R6II and R8 product classes that Canon offers perhaps the best all-round solutions. More so as the price point decreases; the R5 is in a tougher position due to the Nikon Z8's stacked sensor capabilities. All have arguably the fastest non-stacked sensor readout speeds in their classes, which certainly helps with respect to rolling shutter effects, but probably also overall AF performance, fps capabilities, etc., if those features are important to you. Also dual-pixel AF across virtually the entire frame (so no phase detect AF point banding problems, for example).

Nov 02, 2023 at 01:31 PM

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p.1 #9 · p.1 #9 · Don't believe the Hype R3 vs Sony R5

R5 low light vs a7v a74 was investigating this further came across this.
https://youtu.be/96JDtUgxk4s?feature=shared

Nov 02, 2023 at 02:04 PM

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p.1 #10 · p.1 #10 · Don't believe the Hype R3 vs Sony R5

As stated above, this is comparing Apples to Oranges. The intents of the two cameras are different. I shoot both brands. They are both very good. If I were comparing, it wouldn't be to the a7rv. I would compare with the A1.

Nov 02, 2023 at 02:41 PM

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p.1 #11 · p.1 #11 · Don't believe the Hype R3 vs Sony R5

R3 should be compared to the A9III when it gets announced (next week?..Jan?). That will be Sony's R3 competitor.

I would totally expect the R3 to best an A7RV indoors. R3 can probably best anything indoors other than maybe a D5/D6??

Nov 02, 2023 at 02:47 PM

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p.1 #12 · p.1 #12 · Don't believe the Hype R3 vs Sony R5

Any camera bought in the last 5 years should be able to focus Indoors the comparison was with the R3 is because thats what I own, I posted the video with the Canon R5 same thing. Peace

Nov 02, 2023 at 03:29 PM

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p.1 #13 · p.1 #13 · Don't believe the Hype R3 vs Sony R5

Now I see why Canon focuses better in low light A1 = Focus Sensitivity Range
EV-4 to EV20 (ISO 100 equivalent with F2.0 lens attached)

Sony A7v Autofocus Sensitivity
-4 to +20 EV

Canon R5 Autofocus Sensitivity
-6 to +20 EV

Canon R3 Autofocus Sensitivity
-7.5 to +20 EV

Nov 02, 2023 at 03:38 PM

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p.1 #14 · p.1 #14 · Don't believe the Hype R3 vs Sony R5

macwest wrote:
Now I see why Canon focuses better in low light A1 = Focus Sensitivity Range
EV-4 to EV20 (ISO 100 equivalent with F2.0 lens attached)

Sony A7v Autofocus Sensitivity
-4 to +20 EV

Canon R5 Autofocus Sensitivity
-6 to +20 EV

Canon R3 Autofocus Sensitivity
-7.5 to +20 EV

FYI Canon measures this with a 1.2 lens so the differences are not as great as they appear, although it’s still a 2 stop advantage for the R3. Also canon lenses will focus wide open in low light whereas Sony and Nikon stop down to the shooting aperture (up to 5.6 I think) which can further hamper AF performance if you’re not shooting wide open.

Nov 02, 2023 at 04:55 PM

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p.1 #15 · p.1 #15 · Don't believe the Hype R3 vs Sony R5

I'd expect R3 to focus better.
However your report is worthless. Sorry if that offends.
The complexity of both bodies AF systems means a worthwhile comparison would take a week, or more.
Following Northrops example not wise.

Nov 02, 2023 at 05:36 PM

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p.1 #16 · p.1 #16 · Don't believe the Hype R3 vs Sony R5

Focusing in a living room with two lamps and a tv and it cant lock on .

Followed my own use of Camera. Forget about R3 a 4000 thousand dollar camera should be able to focus indoors .

Nov 02, 2023 at 05:44 PM

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p.1 #17 · p.1 #17 · Don't believe the Hype R3 vs Sony R5

This is an inherent advantage of dual pixel tech. Light from multiple pixels can be combined for auto-focus, versus a limited number of masked pixels. Sony does do DPAF in smaller sensors, but maybe they haven't found a way to manufacture it efficiently for larger sensors.

Nov 03, 2023 at 12:29 PM


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