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akul wrote:
I have mixed feelings towards such trolls. One is envy, the other is sympathy.
I am envious that they have so much time to waste. And, I feel sorry that they spend so much energy on negativity.

Luka


Luka,

Realize that overall I am very positive here on FM. I post many images, participate and contribute to many FM projects, post enjoyably in many threads, and have helped a number of FM members where I could. I am also far more positive about Nikon than I am negative. My only negative activity is related to a small group of bullies on the Nikon forum who try to intimidate anyone who posts anything not towing their view of Nikon orthodoxy. I refuse to be bullied. That will never happen.

You are generally a very respectful poster here on FM. I sincerely hope you don't join that despicable gang of insecure bullies.

Steve


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Nov 11, 2023 at 09:23 AM
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Luka,

Realize that overall I am very positive here on FM. I post many images, participate and contribute to many FM projects, post enjoyably in many threads, and have helped a number of FM members where I could. I am also fay more positive about Nikon than I am negative. My only negative activity is related to a small group of bullies on the Nikon forum who try to intimidate anyone who posts anything not towing their view of Nikon orthodoxy. I refuse to be bullied. That will never happen.

You are generally a very respectful poster here on FM. I sincerely
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Steve,

I respect your posts, and opinion. As far as I am concerned, you are one of the posters who shares balanced views and opinions here at FM and never thought of you to be trolling. Yes, your view may stir up debate, but I think it is healthy. I value diversity, multiple views, values that FM members bring to the table. Trolling I refer to are much different in nature with short insulting controversial and highly questionable ‘fact’ dropping behavior.

Sincerely


Luka




Nov 11, 2023 at 09:51 AM
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akul wrote:
Steve,

I respect your posts, and opinion. As far as I am concerned, you are one of the posters who shares balanced views and opinions here at FM and never thought of you to be trolling. Yes, your view may stir up debate, but I think it is healthy. I value diversity, multiple views, values that FM members bring to the table. Trolling I refer to are much different in nature with short insulting controversial and highly questionable ‘fact’ dropping behavior.

Sincerely

Luka



Thank you so much for that. Most appreciated.

Steve



Nov 11, 2023 at 09:56 AM
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If you sincerely want real market share data you can look straight to Nikon's own most recent financial statement. There Nikon claims a market share of approximately 12%. About the same as it was prior to the release of the Z9/8 cameras.

Of course this doesn't drill down into internal model sales numbers. It could be that Z9/8 sales are making up for an offsetting fall in other model sales. Anecdotaly it looks to me that the Z8/9 cameras are selling very well. However, the market segment that the flagship products sell in is not generally large enough to move
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Yes, I was particular about high end stacked sensor cameras, rather than total market share, being influenced by TH's article.



Nov 11, 2023 at 10:16 AM
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I managed to remove my recent material from the Nikon forum: images, links, commentary. Hopefully all of it is gone.


Nov 11, 2023 at 03:47 PM
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philip_pj wrote:
I managed to remove my recent material from the Nikon forum: images, links, commentary. Hopefully all of it is gone.


Sorry to hear that. For sure a loss to the Nikon forum overall. Congratulations gang!



Nov 11, 2023 at 03:50 PM
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I just read the Canon forum to see what their reaction the the global shutter A9III is. They are mostly very positive about it. I think this stems from their belief that Canon will soon provide them with their own global shutter camera.

Interesting that the one guy over there trying to stir things up with negative comments is a charter member of the don't post in the Nikon Forum if it isn't currently your main system. As far as I know neither Canon, nor Sony is his main system currently.

That is extremely hypocritical behavior in my opinion.

Check it out for yourselves:

His post:

Gonna be interesting in here when the R1 is just a run of the mill incremental upgrade camera.


https://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/1831821/0#16387666


I am not saying he has no right to post there. I believe he does. But he shouldn't be demanding that others follow rules that he doesn't.

The good news is he won't see this post because he says he has blocked me.



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philip_pj wrote:
I managed to remove my recent material from the Nikon forum: images, links, commentary. Hopefully all of it is gone.


I'm sorry to read this. I have lurked for some time; I was more active in the "alt" forum years ago but got tied up doing life and decided to lurk. Always appreciated reading your posts and anyone engaged in fruitful discussion.



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Having owned both Sony AND Nikon's best over the last decade, I don't see why people get this tribalism thing going. They are both excellent image making tools. And in the right hands there is essentially NO difference. However indeed I also don't understand the mentality of a Sony owner hanging out in a Nikon forum trying to stir things up. Any more than a Nikon owner doing the same in a Sony forum. There surely is an intelligence factor (or lack thereof) that inspires such talk. Oh well.


Agree. I have no quarrels with Sony gear and their users. I just don’t want to get bombarded with Sony stuff in the Nikon forum. Then being called a bully for pointing that out. People who think that is bullying have never truly been bullied. This victim mentality needs to stop. Just knock it off already.



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He doesn’t really think it’s bullying. He’s masking HIS nonstop bullying behavior by gaslighting all responses and pushback by delivering barbed, insincere praises all while double speaking again anyone who dares point it out.

A sad end to a life supposedly so well lived, scouring around some old Internet forum and bothering people incessantly.

I wish I could charge rent for the amount of space I take up in that head.

Max Power wrote:
Agree. I have no quarrels with Sony gear and their users. I just don’t want to get bombarded with Sony stuff in the Nikon forum. Then being called a bully for pointing that out. People who think that is bullying have never truly been bullied. This victim mentality needs to stop. Just knock it off already.




Nov 11, 2023 at 07:58 PM
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Max Power wrote:
Agree. I have no quarrels with Sony gear and their users. I just don’t want to get bombarded with Sony stuff in the Nikon forum. Then being called a bully for pointing that out. People who think that is bullying have never truly been bullied. This victim mentality needs to stop. Just knock it off already.


I have no quarrels with Nikon either. I do have opinions, mostly favorable ones as I frequently post.

I just refuse to be bullied. I don't feel you have a right to tell me where and what I can post. Still, if you post that opinion politely you will receive an equally polite response from me. But repeatedly , calling names, attaching labels, and trying to force your will on someone because they are not in agreement with you is very much bullying. I think you will find that when that stops, my post will be very polite and mostly positive.

No, I never have been bullied. Mostly because I won't take it.

It really is that simple.

You know that I post much more in a number of other forums. I rarely have any issues in those. I am polite, and respectful in my posts. I try hard to contribute to the community in a positive way. This is my nature. There are a couple of posters in the Nikon forum who are cude, use offensive language, and caall names in many forums. They don't walk the take of behavior that they call for here. You all know who they are. These are the members of the gang that I call the bullies. They try hard to gaslight and confuse who is behaving in what manner. But a read through all the threads where they post, and where I post will quickly show the truth.

My preference would be no never engage in another argument on FM including in the Nikon Forum I much prefer gentlemanly discussions even when we disagree. Give it a try. It will work out.

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RoamingScott wrote:
He doesn’t really think it’s bullying. He’s masking HIS nonstop bullying behavior by gaslighting all responses and pushback by delivering barbed, insincere praises all while double speaking again anyone who dares point it out.

A sad end to a life supposedly so well lived, scouring around some old Internet forum and bothering people incessantly.

I wish I could charge rent for the amount of space I take up in that head.





No, I am just calling you out for your own crude, low brow, uneducated, impolite, and non constructive behavior. I understand your need to feel like you have something of value to rent out. Having assets to rent tend to improve one's financial situation. How is that working out for you?

The simple fact is that I am enjoying the time I spend with you. In my old age I do appreciate easy tasks like this. I am not likely to change this until it is no longer necessary. Dealing with rude and crude bullies is after all a noble endeavor.

Can you explain if I am the troll why when you don't shoot Canon,you were over in the Canon forums posting purposely inflammatory content? The same question applies to many other forums. Questioning minds want to know....

If you want respect, you must walk your talk Scott...



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philip_pj wrote:
I managed to remove my recent material from the Nikon forum: images, links, commentary. Hopefully all of it is gone.


Oh, that is sad. I hope you keep posting here. Your knowledge and experience on various lenses are invaluable in my opinion.

Luka



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1bwana1 wrote:
I just read the Canon forum to see what their reaction the the global shutter A9III is. They are mostly very positive about it. I think this stems from their belief that Canon will soon provide them with their own global shutter camera.

Interesting that the one guy over there trying to stir things up with negative comments is a charter member of the don't post in the Nikon Forum if it isn't currently your main system. As far as I know neither Canon, nor Sony is his main system currently.

That is extremely hypocritical behavior in my opinion.

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That troll posts the same sort nonsense in most of the camera forums, unfortunately.



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CanadaMark wrote:
Pixel counts are a square function, so there is only a ~15% linear resolution difference between the two cameras. .


You should contact the sensor manufacturers right away and convince them all to stop specifying resolution in terms of pixel count...



Nov 12, 2023 at 08:36 AM
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molson wrote:
That troll posts the same sort nonsense in most of the camera forums, unfortunately.


Yes he does, and he doesn't shoot those systems. One of his main attacks against others. He deliberately tries to create discord. He breaks forum rules by using foul language, calling people names, and personal attacks. He then tries to hide behind accusing others of doing that. He doesn't own it, he hides from it.

In life I generaly find that behavior both despicable and cowardly. When directed towards me I will stand like a man against.

For all the rest here I apologize. I wish very much that this kind of stuff would not disrupt our enjoyment of photography, it's equipment, and discussions.

Hoping for better...



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1bwana1 wrote:
What is funny is the hypocrisy being exhibited by the Nikon bully gang members. The very same people who in the Nikon Forum attack Sony people for posting in the Nikon forum, are very active in the Sony forum. They often post things there that if posted here would set the bully gang off into a flurry of personal attacks. In the Sony forum it is very different. No concept of rights to post, and everyone overall treated with respect. There is only one guy spewing vulgarity and personal attacks on people there. he is a leading member of the
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This is exactly the kind of post that really frustrates some with you and your attendance here. First paragraph, you call people from here hypocrites. You may be right, but many that complain about what you contribute here never go there. I am one that never goes there.

Paragraph two refers to how insecure many here are. Well, that's insult number two. Maybe they seem insecure to you because they feel like they have to defend their gear choice in their own house to people like you.

Finally, paragraph 4, back to the Sony cheerleading. Touched many bases in a not so lengthy post, and we are nine pages into this crap, largely because of you.

How you deny or don't understand that is beyond me.



Nov 13, 2023 at 01:02 PM
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Max Power wrote:
This is exactly the kind of post that really frustrates some with you and your attendance here. First paragraph, you call people from here hypocrites. You may be right, but many that complain about what you contribute here never go there. I am one that never goes there.



That is why I am very clear to say that my charatization applies to just a few people on the Nikon Forum. I provided links that confirm the hypocrisy of those few people. What I am saying about the gang doesn't apply to the vast majority of my Nikon Forum friends.

If you never go there yourself and don't behave that way I commend you and that charge doesn't apply to you Max.


Max Power wrote:
Paragraph two refers to how insecure many here are. Well, that's insult number two. Maybe they seem insecure to you because they feel like they have to defend their gear choice in their own house to people like you.


That is actually the crux of my point. It is not "their own house". It is everyone in the FM comunnity's house. Feeling the need to defend one's house disappears when one realizes it is actually not his house at all. Understanding that one doesn't have the right to police and decide who is a valid poster will negate the need to either defend or attack. In my opinion only the insecure feel those needs over those issues. Again, this is my specific point, and I stand by it. It is fine to disagree civilly on this point as any other. That is not bullying in my opinion.

The few that my charge applies to are well known for their bad behaviour around the various forums.


Max Power wrote:
Finally, paragraph 4, back to the Sony cheerleading. Touched many bases in a not so lengthy post, and we are nine pages into this crap, largely because of you.

How you deny or don't understand that is beyond me.


As you see above I do understand the dynamics clearly. I disagree about some things. I refuse to accept those trying to bully people out of a Forum they have every right to participate in. I don't deny anything but the malicious intent some try to ascribe to mys posts.

As far as Sony cheerleading goes, let's just take a look at my post where you say I am doing that.

That may be about to change is some rare side cases with the upcoming release of the World's first FF, ICL, Global Shutter camera. We will see. I am withholding judgement until more information about compromises are known. I will say the potential to change photography is profound. At least on the level of the FF ICL mirrorless introduction (killed DSLR), stacked sensors (the current core of flagship cameras in all lines). The fact that these innovation were also all brought by the same company adds a level of credibility to the Global Sensor potential. We may be getting a first look at our futures.

Here I was discussing a new technology (global Shutter in FF ICL Cameras) that was just announced that many are hyping as "this changes everything". My support of this technology was much more tepid than that. In fact I pointed out that on the specific implementation that was announced I have serious reservations. But I remain optimistic about the general potential of this advancement in technology. I purposely didn't mention the name Sony in my comment to reduce confrontation. Yes, everyone know who did it, but I didn't want that to be the point. However, I also believe that having the same company behind thetis new technology that also pioneered many of the technologies currently driving the industry should be taken into account when evaluating its potential and credibility.

Given all of that, I don't call that Sony cheerleading. It is discussing a new and in my view important technology. if you find yourself feeling the need to defend your favored brand against such a non confrontation post as that, then I suggest you examine what brings those feeling to you. It likely says more about your feeling of ownership of this Forum, and you concerns about your favored brand in the context of the industry, than it does about my post. Please don't take that as I am casting you as one of the bullies. I am not. Although we disagree at times I find your post to be respectful and constructive. Disagreement should never be equated to bullying.

In fact my post on the Global Shutter technology was an attempt to start an positive conversation to get away from the negative issues I felt I wanted to address in the first part of the post. It absolutely was not intended as Sony cheerleading.

I remain looking forward to interesting and respectful discussions here in the Nikon Forums. It if full of good people with a great deal of knowledge and experience to share. That is what I mostly experience except from a few.

Steve









Nov 13, 2023 at 01:59 PM
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It'll never stop. Been 5% content, 95% blahblah for years. And counting.

As said by @Max Power, 1 guy is the reason for this thread being this long. And not just this one...



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