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Anybody switched from Sony to Nikon?

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p.7 #1 · p.7 #1 · Anybody switched from Sony to Nikon?

molson wrote:
No, the facts don't change, whether I try the 180-600 or not...

Yes, the fact is the 180-600 is really or very near @600 and 200-600 is maybe @545. The difference is very noticeable and for a bird photographer like me it's matter.

Nov 04, 2023 at 08:33 AM

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p.7 #2 · p.7 #2 · Anybody switched from Sony to Nikon?

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Yes, the fact is the 180-600 is really or very near @600 and 200-600 is maybe @545. The difference is very noticeable and for a bird photographer like me it's matter.

The Sony A7R V has 36% more resolution than the Z8/Z9, so you can easily make up the 10% difference in focal length with a very small crop in post.

Nov 04, 2023 at 08:52 AM

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p.7 #3 · p.7 #3 · Anybody switched from Sony to Nikon?

I havent switched, however i consider to aquire a Z9 and and Megadap 21.
So my Sony lenses on the Z9. So far found some Z9 for around 4000$ (or slightly less) second hand.
Im tempted

Nov 04, 2023 at 08:54 AM

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p.7 #4 · p.7 #4 · Anybody switched from Sony to Nikon?

Not tempted. The two things Nikon has which I would like is the 600 f4 + 1.4x, that's a lovely bit of kit, and how they price their bodies which seems more 'realistic'.

Nov 04, 2023 at 09:04 AM

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p.7 #5 · p.7 #5 · Anybody switched from Sony to Nikon?

molson wrote:
The Sony A7R V has 36% more resolution than the Z8/Z9, so you can easily make up the 10% difference in focal length with a very small crop in post.

But Sony A7R V is not Sony A1. Sony A7R V is a way too slow to bird photographing (7fps with ES). Also sensor readout is low so need to use mechanical shutter to avoid rolling shutter. With the new FW 4.10, the bird AF of the Z9 is better than A1 so I'm very happy to my change (Sony => Nikon).

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Nov 04, 2023 at 10:26 AM

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p.7 #6 · p.7 #6 · Anybody switched from Sony to Nikon?

pietipe wrote:
But Sony A7R V is not Sony A1. Sony A7R V is a way too slow to bird photographing (7fps with ES). Also sensor readout is low so need to use mechanical shutter to avoid rolling shutter.

And the Nikon can't do 30 fps, and the Nikon can't display exposure zebras in the EVF... blah, blah, blah.

When you can't win an argument, just change the subject!

(but the A1 still has 13% more resolution than the Z9, so it still more than makes up for the 10% difference in focal length...)

Nov 04, 2023 at 10:33 AM

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p.7 #7 · p.7 #7 · Anybody switched from Sony to Nikon?

molson wrote:
And the Nikon can't do 30 fps, and the Nikon can't display exposure zebras in the EVF... blah, blah, blah.

When you can't win an argument, just change the subject!

(but the A1 still has 13% more resolution than the Z9, so it still more than makes up for the 10% difference in focal length...)

And the Nikon can't do 30 fps = Yes it can with JPG and Sony can only with compressed RAW. But yes, there is no point in continuing this discussion.

Nov 04, 2023 at 10:41 AM

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p.7 #8 · p.7 #8 · Anybody switched from Sony to Nikon?

1bwana1 wrote:
Things like these business discussions don't make me feel better or worse.
I currently have no skin in the game. Numbers are just numbers. They can't be rationalized away. Nikon's market share and market cap are hugely diminished. Not true of Sony and Canon. Even Leica grew tremendously recently having by far its best year ever this year. This also has no bearing on the quality of Nikon's current offerings, which are in some cases excellent.

Since anecdotal statements seem to resonate with you why not talk to some higher end Sony shooters. You will see that the vast majority came...Show more →

Which is exactly my point, most Sony users come from a Canon background. And adapters were key in helping them change over.

Which is why the availability of high performance adapters enabling the usage of Sony FE mount lenses on Z camera is so important.

Cheers,
Bernard

Nov 05, 2023 at 02:27 AM

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p.7 #9 · p.7 #9 · Anybody switched from Sony to Nikon?

bernardl wrote:
Which is exactly my point, most Sony users come from a Canon background. And adapters were key in helping them change over.

Which is why the availability of high performance adapters enabling the usage of Sony FE mount lenses on Z camera is so important.

Cheers,
Bernard

Although personally I have opted to not use adapted lenses even for MF, having such options is a good thing. Especially when the native mount ecosystem is still building.

Nov 05, 2023 at 06:37 AM

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p.7 #10 · p.7 #10 · Anybody switched from Sony to Nikon?

saaketham wrote:
You see what you want to see
That z8 mis focused and the eye is not in focus

Its not about sharper .. its about the a7R5 getting the eye perfectly. Z8 missed as usual. Nothing surprising.

Is your comment based on viewing the still from a youtube video? The reviewer himself said that he shot many shots and that sony was sharper, he did not say the nikon misfocused. I think that the reviewer would know the difference between misfocused and not sharp. I would trust his observation more then the super compressed video.

For me the takeaway here is that the whole image from nikon looked better without the need to blow up 200% on eye lashes. And this is Sony A7rV which has much improved colors and much better AWB. The same image from A1 or A7r4 will look worse.

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Nov 05, 2023 at 11:57 AM

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p.7 #11 · p.7 #11 · Anybody switched from Sony to Nikon?

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The more obvious differences I've noted with the Nikon Z9 (and probably Z8) is their IBIS is simply the BEST in a camera at this time. I can shoot at ridiculously slow shutter speeds rendering a super sharp noise free image. Indeed the low light shots from a Z9 trump a A7RV as no surprise. The one truly annoying thing I ran into with the A7RV was it has moire in the viewfiinder and lags terribly in low light. The Z9's viewfinder is a pure joy as it has NO lag light or not and never shows any type of...Show more →

Maybe the form factor of Z9 helps you with IBIS, but in my experience A7rV IBIS (for stills) is better then Z8. I can get sharp 1s-1.5s with little efforts using modern sony lenses (20-70 and 16-35 pz). On Z8 I can not do any slower then 0.5s with 24-120. On video nikon still beats Sony.

Nov 05, 2023 at 12:11 PM

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p.7 #12 · p.7 #12 · Anybody switched from Sony to Nikon?

molson wrote:
I never saw this claimed resolution drop using my Zeiss Loxia lenses. What does the resolution supposedly drop to - only twice as much as the Nikon EVF?

I've not been able to find the data on what the resolution drops to, despite trying to find this a few times online. The drop in resolution comes when you engage auto-focus and I feel the same as others in this thread in that it is a very real and considerable downgrade in EVF experience. I think the Z9 EVF is much better than the downscaled A7RV EVF. Personally it feels like the technology just isn't ready to give us the full EVF resolution when auto-focus is enabled.

The reason you probably never experienced this was due to the manual focusing nature of the Loxia lenses.

Nov 06, 2023 at 02:19 PM

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p.7 #13 · p.7 #13 · Anybody switched from Sony to Nikon?

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I've not been able to find the data on what the resolution drops to, despite trying to find this a few times online. The drop in resolution comes when you engage auto-focus and I feel the same as others in this thread in that it is a very real and considerable downgrade in EVF experience. I think the Z9 EVF is much better than the downscaled A7RV EVF. Personally it feels like the technology just isn't ready to give us the full EVF resolution when auto-focus is enabled.

The reason you probably never experienced this was due to the manual focusing...Show more →

If you're trying to use AF with manual focus lenses, the EVF resolution drop is the least of your problems...

Nov 06, 2023 at 02:57 PM

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p.7 #14 · p.7 #14 · Anybody switched from Sony to Nikon?

1bwana1 wrote:
Although personally I have opted to not use adapted lenses even for MF, having such options is a good thing. Especially when the native mount ecosystem is still building.

We see clearly with the Z system that adaptation remains valuable even when one system matures to very high levels.

The reason being that different brand choose different strategies to expand their line up.

Having the ability to use lenses from 2 brands decreases tremendously the odds of not having the perfect lens for some projects.

Once camera performance has reached superlative levels and stops to be a meaningful differentiator then ability to adapt lenses becomes even more important to decide what system to invest in. At least for still shooters, for hybrid shooters the lead of Nikon in video pretty much removes Sony from the equation IMHO.

Cheers,
Bernard

Nov 06, 2023 at 03:34 PM

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p.7 #15 · p.7 #15 · Anybody switched from Sony to Nikon?

bernardl wrote:
We see clearly with the Z system that adaptation remains valuable even when one system matures to very high levels.

The reason being that different brand choose different strategies to expand their line up.

Having the ability to use lenses from 2 brands decreases tremendously the odds of not having the perfect lens for some projects.

Once camera performance has reached superlative levels and stops to be a meaningful differentiator then ability to adapt lenses becomes even more important to decide what system to invest in. At least for still shooters, for hybrid shooters the lead of Nikon in video pretty much removes...Show more →

The ability to adapt seems to suggest you can pick either a Sony or Nikon body at any moment to suit your need (or have both in your collection to share lenses), but it's wiser to invest in Sony lenses if you want max flexibility since you can adapt them to Z but not vice versa.

Nov 06, 2023 at 03:49 PM

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foto16 wrote:
The ability to adapt seems to suggest you can pick either a Sony or Nikon body at any moment to suit your need (or have both in your collection to share lenses), but it's wiser to invest in Sony lenses if you want max flexibility since you can adapt them to Z but not vice versa.

Yes and No.

- The performance of native lenses is always superior so it makes sense to use native lenses the majority of the time and to use adapted lenses for more niche applications,
- it’s not easy to be totally fluent with bodies from 2 brands (I use currently Nikon, Fuji and P1, I used to use Nikon and Sony)

It depends in the end on the applications and the core lenses that will be used most of the time. It seems clear that anybody doing action/sports/wildlife should build a system on the Z mount.

If all you do are events then investing in Sony lenses may be the winning strategy..

Cheers,
Bernard

Nov 06, 2023 at 04:46 PM

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p.7 #17 · p.7 #17 · Anybody switched from Sony to Nikon?

I do indoor events and I don't mess around with adapting too much. Lower light really messes with adapted lens accuracy.
bernardl wrote:
Yes and No.

- The performance of native lenses is always superior so it makes sense to use native lenses the majority of the time and to use adapted lenses for more niche applications,
- it’s not easy to be totally fluent with bodies from 2 brands (I use currently Nikon, Fuji and P1, I used to use Nikon and Sony)

It depends in the end on the applications and the core lenses that will be used most of the time. It seems clear that anybody doing action/sports/wildlife should build a system on the Z mount.

If all you do are events then investing...Show more →

Nov 06, 2023 at 04:51 PM

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p.7 #18 · p.7 #18 · Anybody switched from Sony to Nikon?

bernardl wrote:
for hybrid shooters the lead of Nikon in video pretty much removes Sony from the equation IMHO.

Cheers,
Bernard

That only applies to a single body. If you want a multi body solution Sony is far and away the more powerful choice. However, the Sony e-mount overall is a far more powerful mount than the Z mount when it comes to video. They are not even in the same league when it comes to video capabilities. Thanks to the Sony one mount philosophy Sony e-mount lenses are used from the lowest end selfie cameras, to high end cameras producing Oscar winning motion pictures and many of your favorite television shows. Sony makes video and stills solutions from single content creators, to drones, to multi camera sports/events broadcast systems, to large studio video cameras. All using any e-mount lens you choose. Nikon doesn't even play in the bulk of the video market.

Nov 06, 2023 at 04:55 PM

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p.7 #19 · p.7 #19 · Anybody switched from Sony to Nikon?

1bwana1 wrote:
That only applies to a single body. If you want a multi body solution Sony is far and away the more powerful choice. However, the Sony e-mount overall is a far more powerful mount than the Z mount when it comes to video. They are not even in the same league when it comes to video capabilities. Thanks to the Sony one mount philosophy Sony e-mount lenses are used from the lowest end selfie cameras, to high end cameras producing Oscar winning motion pictures and many of your favorite television shows. Sony makes video and stills solutions from single content...Show more →

Two things:
- it applies to 2 bodies, not to a single one. For hybrid shooters the Z8 and Z9 having the same exact super high end video capability in camera in different form factors is unique, Sony doesn't offer anything equivalent with the same level of performance. This is coming from first hand experience that, according to past comments of yours, you don't have I believe,
- it goes without saying that Sony has a deep video line up with high price items targeting pure video/cinema applications. It is obvious that Nikon is indeed not competing in this segment. But... except for the very high end at 50,000 US$+ range competing with Ari, the quality of Nikon video is in fact superior.

Cheers,
Bernard

Nov 06, 2023 at 05:14 PM

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p.7 #20 · p.7 #20 · Anybody switched from Sony to Nikon?

JadedWriter wrote:
I do indoor events and I don't mess around with adapting too much. Lower light really messes with adapted lens accuracy.

It depends on many factors, but overall agreed yes.

Cheers,
Bernard

Nov 06, 2023 at 05:15 PM

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