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Anybody switched from Sony to Nikon?

  
 
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p.17 #1 · p.17 #1 · Anybody switched from Sony to Nikon?


Jochenb wrote:
I've been a Sony shooter since the original A7, but I'm seriously thinking about a switch to Nikon.

The Z8 is a great camera. I do like a lot about it, but after trying it a couple of times now some things are holding me back:
- You always have to go into the menu to set a minimum shutter speed for auto ISO (when you don't use auto shutter speed there).
- Magnification doesn't exit when you press the shutter button (+ it also lags badly, in another thread I already asked if this is the "normal" behavior and
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I have the same complaint as you for the auto ISO minimum shutter speed (I have been asking forever for Nikon to let me put that on a Fn button), but there is a super easy workaround - just shoot in manual mode with Auto ISO. One of the command dials then effectively becomes your minimum shutter speed, ISO adjusts accordingly within your set limits, and aperture won't change unless you change it. Further, you can use "Recall Shooting Functions" to make a secondary starting point if you wish. Hasn't bothered me since.

I am almost never checking focus in the field (I stopped wasting my time as 90%+ images are always in focus if I'm doing my part), so I've never even experienced the EVF delay when changing magnifications. I can see how that would be annoying if you always did that though. The shutter button part wouldn't bother me though, it's not difficult to just press the magnification button instead.

Nikon will let you put almost anything on a Fn button / wheel, and the recall shooting function is a very powerful tool. The cameras are highly customizable and the ergonomics are such that I think most people can operate most functions without having to look at the body, which helps. Auto ISO min shutter speed is one of the few exceptions, but the workaround above makes it a non-issue in my opinion. Aside from some experimenting, I can probably count on one hand how many times I've had to menu-dive to change settings. I have a Z9 so it has an extra Fn button but I could do everything I wanted on a Z8 as well.

I don't use focus bracketing so maybe someone else can shed some light on that one.



Jan 15, 2024 at 06:54 PM
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p.17 #2 · p.17 #2 · Anybody switched from Sony to Nikon?


I agree, manual mode with auto ISO is as easy as it gets for *almost* full control of your exposure. If you're using auto ISO anyways, there's not a better way to shoot for most cases IMO.

Like I said in the other thread, you're right about what you've found with focus magnification. Is what it is.

Focus bracketing as well is as you suspect.

These are the types of differences that can make or break a body for shooters and their varied preferences. As you're finding out, most of these aren't talked about online, and is why ACTUALLY SHOOTING the camera you are interested in is so very important in forming a reasoned opinion.



Jan 15, 2024 at 07:06 PM
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p.17 #3 · p.17 #3 · Anybody switched from Sony to Nikon?


Thanks.
Auto ISO in manual mode indeed seems like a good alternative.

RoamingScott wrote:
As you're finding out, most of these aren't talked about online, and is why ACTUALLY SHOOTING the camera you are interested in is so very important in forming a reasoned opinion.


Exactly!

I'm not sure yet if any of those things is a deal breaker for me, but at least I'll be well informed once I'd switch to Nikon.



Jan 15, 2024 at 07:20 PM
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p.17 #4 · p.17 #4 · Anybody switched from Sony to Nikon?


RoamingScott wrote:
Doesn't make me want to shoot with a Sony in any regard, though.


Sony has always looked like the best system for me...on paper.

But every time I have a Sony body in my hands, I'm turned off.
I do like their cinema cameras though.




Jan 24, 2024 at 01:40 PM
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p.17 #5 · p.17 #5 · Anybody switched from Sony to Nikon?


Joseph Marney wrote:
Sony has always looked like the best system for me...on paper.

But every time I have a Sony body in my hands, I'm turned off.
I do like their cinema cameras though.



Sony started out with the first Japanese transistor radio, to tape recorders, to video to walkman to the vast electronic devices. My experience with their video camera stopped at EX1r, but every single video camera I used were all well done in terms of ergonomics. Photography is a recent addition, so it makes sense they fumbled for a while on the ergonomics. Too bad, I donít feel they utilized legacy of Minolta in that regards. I hear it is getting better, which I truly hope so as deep diving into menu labyrinth in alpha 6300 was not fun..

Luka



Jan 24, 2024 at 02:31 PM
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akul wrote:
Sony started out with the first Japanese transistor radio, to tape recorders, to video to walkman to the vast electronic devices. My experience with their video camera stopped at EX1r, but every single video camera I used were all well done in terms of ergonomics. Photography is a recent addition, so it makes sense they fumbled for a while on the ergonomics. Too bad, I donít feel they utilized legacy of Minolta in that regards. I hear it is getting better, which I truly hope so as deep diving into menu labyrinth in alpha 6300 was not fun..

Luka


In my experience the current Sony menu system is excellent. As good as any available in similarly capable cameras.



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Joseph Marney wrote:
Sony has always looked like the best system for me...on paper.

But every time I have a Sony body in my hands, I'm turned off.
I do like their cinema cameras though.



Funny how that works...almost like the true experience is more than simple bullet points on paper.

Although, Sony is still strangely missing quite a few bullet points from their biggest competitors.



Jan 24, 2024 at 02:41 PM
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p.17 #8 · p.17 #8 · Anybody switched from Sony to Nikon?


I went from Sony to Nikon Z and back to Sony.

I don't have any problems with either.
The thing for ME that had me go back to Sony was the:

35GM f1.4
50GM f1.2

Two of my favorite FL. There is no Z35mm 1.4 and the Z50mm f1.2 is just way too big for what I want.

YMMV of course.



Jan 24, 2024 at 07:52 PM
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p.17 #9 · p.17 #9 · Anybody switched from Sony to Nikon?


There's in camera feel and I honestly just never enjoyed looking through their EVF's. RII's was greasy, RIII was fine and the RIV's was just way over hyped since I think they put the lowest quality glass in front of the things. Never dealt with Canon, but Nikon and Fuji's EVF's are pretty good to look through.
Joseph Marney wrote:
Sony has always looked like the best system for me...on paper.

But every time I have a Sony body in my hands, I'm turned off.
I do like their cinema cameras though.






Jan 25, 2024 at 10:12 AM
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p.17 #10 · p.17 #10 · Anybody switched from Sony to Nikon?


JadedWriter wrote:
There's in camera feel and I honestly just never enjoyed looking through their EVF's. RII's was greasy, RIII was fine and the RIV's was just way over hyped since I think they put the lowest quality glass in front of the things. Never dealt with Canon, but Nikon and Fuji's EVF's are pretty good to look through.



To your point, many people seem to just look at the number of dots when judging an EVF rather than actually using it. As we have seen on the Z bodies, the quality of optics in front of the EVF, the brightness of the EVF, and having an EVF that does not stutter or repeat frames makes a huge difference to the user experience. Those are all things I would much rather have than more resolution, at least beyond a certain point. If all you want to do is review images at 100% in the EVF, then sure it's great to have higher resolution, but those other things go a lot further towards easing the pain of giving up an OVF than a resolution bump, at least in my experience.

I remember the first time I tried an A9 (I am not picking on Sony, I didn't like EVFs from anyone back then), and I could not believe I was holding $6500 (CAD) camera because it looked like a toy. The EVFs in earlier MILCs were a big reason why I held onto my D850 for so long. I'm glad Nikon puts so much emphasis on the overall EVF user experience and I think it's often overlooked.



Jan 25, 2024 at 01:47 PM
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p.17 #11 · p.17 #11 · Anybody switched from Sony to Nikon?


Same here. My first was the XT2 and I didn't mind it, but the jump you get with the modern EVF's is quite impressive as long as the company puts good glass in front of them. Somethings you just have to go into the store and try out yourself and not just look at a spec sheet. This is why for the most part, especially if it's something I have never touched before (company wise) you just have to try it in hand first. Kind of why I wish more places had GFX's available.
CanadaMark wrote:
To your point, many people seem to just look at the number of dots when judging an EVF rather than actually using it. As we have seen on the Z bodies, the quality of optics in front of the EVF, the brightness of the EVF, and having an EVF that does not stutter or repeat frames makes a huge difference to the user experience. Those are all things I would much rather have than more resolution, at least beyond a certain point. If all you want to do is review images at 100% in the EVF, then sure it's great
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Jan 25, 2024 at 01:54 PM
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p.17 #12 · p.17 #12 · Anybody switched from Sony to Nikon?


As a Z8/Z9 and GFX100II user the EVF of the Fuji is nice and their best so far, but although the number of dots is 3 times higher I still far prefer the experience with the Z8/Z9.

Iíll be able to compare against the a9III today even if I am stuck at home with the fluÖ



Jan 25, 2024 at 04:59 PM
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