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RoamingScott wrote:
Digital QL17 would get my attention! Leave the amazing focus lever too. I'm SICK of fly by wire focus. Every brand should be attacking the X100V, not making bulky retro MILCs that are too big for their bad ergos.

What? The AE-1 is arguably THE most iconic everyman's 35mm body.


















Oct 28, 2023 at 09:47 AM
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I’m a dummy and tried to use the self timer on mine which completely locked it up. A shame because it was my granddad’s world-traveling camera.

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Oct 28, 2023 at 12:07 PM
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This looks so nice. Make this with IBIS and a full frame (45+ mp) sensor and I'm sold.



Oct 28, 2023 at 10:27 PM
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I'd be up for a digital version of the Canon P or Canon 7 film rangefinders (I own both). I use a PEN F in MFT as it is a great traveling camera, so a Canon version would be right at home with me...


Oct 29, 2023 at 04:46 PM
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Does Canon have classic cameras? Sure, they have old cameras that were successful, but I can’t think of any Canon that I’d consider classic in design in some unique way or that was a revolutionary design at the time.



Not "classic" but the eye focus (was it EOS3 & 1?) was interesting - meaning the one that tried to pick the focus point from where your eye was looking not the eye detect focus we have today. I would add the shoot through mirror with no mirror blackout but it's kinda irrelevant now days - iirc that was only ever on the 1-series model.




Oct 29, 2023 at 06:14 PM
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RoamingScott wrote:
Digital QL17 would get my attention! Leave the amazing focus lever too. I'm SICK of fly by wire focus. Every brand should be attacking the X100V, not making bulky retro MILCs that are too big for their bad ergos.

What? The AE-1 is arguably THE most iconic everyman's 35mm body.


That is my one dig on the X100 line and what really sets apart the Leica Q cameras- that clutch mechanism for MF/AF. The 1st gen Fuji 23/1.4 has it, but not the later ones. You need zone focus for the 'real' rangefinder experience. Frankly, if that is too hard, put an e-ink or LCD on the lens showing the DOF.

As to Canon cannon, the F1New is pretty sweet. Matched needle, great looks.

The 'silicon film' or d-back ala Leica R cameras never materialized. Not that old film cameras like FM/FE series are cheap, but if you did invent the replacable film, buy up all those first since their price will double overnight.



Oct 29, 2023 at 07:27 PM
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robstein wrote:
Not "classic" but the eye focus (was it EOS3 & 1?) was interesting - meaning the one that tried to pick the focus point from where your eye was looking not the eye detect focus we have today. I would add the shoot through mirror with no mirror blackout but it's kinda irrelevant now days - iirc that was only ever on the 1-series model.



Are you referring to pellicle mirrors? Canon was even bigger into them than Minolta/Sony. Always wanted a 1RS...

On the styling. The Nikon F3HP, FM2n, F4/5 really are sweet, with the F4 being the first modern camera, but the Canon T90 for all its FD mount wonder, was WAY ahead of it's time.



Oct 29, 2023 at 07:31 PM
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anselwannab wrote:
That is my one dig on the X100 line and what really sets apart the Leica Q cameras- that clutch mechanism for MF/AF. The 1st gen Fuji 23/1.4 has it, but not the later ones. You need zone focus for the 'real' rangefinder experience. Frankly, if that is too hard, put an e-ink or LCD on the lens showing the DOF.

As to Canon cannon, the F1New is pretty sweet. Matched needle, great looks.

The 'silicon film' or d-back ala Leica R cameras never materialized. Not that old film cameras like FM/FE series are cheap, but if you did invent the
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I definitely agree about the X100 focus by wire...it's basically unusable in MF mode. Luckily the camera is fine in AF for what it is, and I really don't have any complaints...the Q would be a really fun "I won the lottery" camera.



Oct 29, 2023 at 07:37 PM
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anselwannab wrote:
Are you referring to pellicle mirrors? Canon was even bigger into them than Minolta/Sony. Always wanted a 1RS...

On the styling. The Nikon F3HP, FM2n, F4/5 really are sweet, with the F4 being the first modern camera, but the Canon T90 for all its FD mount wonder, was WAY ahead of it's time.


The Canon Pellix had a pellicle mirror in 1965. The T90 looked amazing.



Oct 29, 2023 at 07:57 PM
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With the M series officially toast, I suspect a M6 soapbar form factor with RF mount will be the retro surprise. I really liked the detachable but tilting EVF on my M6 but an integral viewfinder sans fake pentaprism bump would conjure a quasi-rangefinder vide. Add fake leather skin and titanium plating and we'll all throw money at it.


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The Canon Pellix had a pellicle mirror in 1965. The T90 looked amazing.


The T90 is...

It's funny that it was nicknamed The Tank IIRC. It is WAY lighter than a modern DSLR, I assume because of the battery size, and how much bigger cameras are. A 1DX next to a F1 or T90 makes the older cameras look like toys.

While we are here. This website has made KEH rich off of me for GAS pain....

https://www.mir.com.my/rb/photography/companies/canon/fdresources/SLRs/index.htm

Every old canon camera and FD lens. I really hope someone has mirrored this site.

Because it caused me to GAS this for no particular reason other than I wear glasses and am tired of scratching lenses or not seeing the whole view finder. I bought the 'Speed finder' which was the worlds first 'rear screen' with tilt capability...

https://www.mir.com.my/rb/photography/hardwares/classics/canonf1n/viewfinder/index.htm



Oct 30, 2023 at 12:28 AM
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I'm sure I will get flamed, but I don't see the point of a retro camera. What I would like to see is Canon make a legit drop-in sensor for film cameras. That would truly be retro.


Oct 30, 2023 at 12:40 AM
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graycat wrote:
I'm sure I will get flamed, but I don't see the point of a retro camera. What I would like to see is Canon make a legit drop-in sensor for film cameras. That would truly be retro.


That kind of retro, of course, will never happen. The issues go well beyond just designing a sensor that could be “dropped in” where film used to go — the market size (minuscule), interfacing with controls for things like ISO and so forth, power, alignment, and more.

What so-called retro digital cameras (such as the Fujifilm X100v) offer is mostly, at least in functional terms, a full set of instantly accessible manual controls over the majority of settings that we used to control aperture, shutter speed, EC, and more.



Oct 30, 2023 at 09:44 AM
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graycat wrote:
I'm sure I will get flamed, but I don't see the point of a retro camera. What I would like to see is Canon make a legit drop-in sensor for film cameras. That would truly be retro.


Canon won't but this already exists.

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/samellos/im-back-film?ref=293oxb&token=47d5ab87



Oct 30, 2023 at 09:50 AM
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graycat wrote:
I'm sure I will get flamed, but I don't see the point of a retro camera. What I would like to see is Canon make a legit drop-in sensor for film cameras. That would truly be retro.


Always been interested in putting even an old 8mp aps sensor in IIIf. That would get me excited about mirrorless!!! Older bodies cheap enough to grab a sensor out of them these days.....

@RoamingScott I'll have to take a look



Oct 30, 2023 at 10:56 AM
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RoamingScott wrote:
Canon won't but this already exists.

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/samellos/im-back-film?ref=293oxb&token=47d5ab87


Wow, I can go back to my film OM-1 at least some of the time!!! Any idea on cost? Nikon rumors said it sold out in 17 minutes


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Oct 30, 2023 at 11:14 AM
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AmbientMike wrote:
Wow, I can go back to my film OM-1 at least some of the time!!! Any idea on cost? Nikon rumors said it sold out 8n 17 minutes


Click "rewards" to see what people paid on the different option tiers.



Oct 30, 2023 at 11:18 AM
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AmbientMike wrote:
Always been interested in putting even an old 8mp aps sensor in IIIf. That would get me excited about mirrorless!!! Older bodies cheap enough to grab a sensor out of them these days.....

@RoamingScott@ I'll have to take a look


Me, I’ve always loved the idea of a digital TLR
I still have my Rollei 2.8F, it’s not seen use since 1997.
I would love a digital version, but just know the price would be ridiculous- so I’ll just dream what could have been.

I’ve tried walking around with my canon M10 at waist level - but it’s not the same.



Oct 30, 2023 at 11:27 AM
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That linked product is a great illustration of the problems with the idea of a film-replacing sensor unit for old 3mm

For one thing, that product puts a MFT sensor into a 35mm camera — so you’d need all new (and much wider!) lenses to get it to work the way you would typically expect. (The crop factor for MFT is 2x, so you’d need to find a 25mm lens to give you the familiar angle-of-view of a 50mm lens, and getting the AOV equivalent of a 28mm lens would require 14mm.)

For one more relevant data point, consider the trajectory of MF digital backs. Originally, pretty much all serious MF digital systems were built around these backs, often used with old film MF bodies. They were large, extremely expensive, and had some technical limitations, but for a while were the only MF options. But once camera vendors figured out how to provide purpose-built MF and miniMF digital cameras, that fully integrated with the camera’s software and hardware and lenses, and do so at a much lower price…

… the digital backs were largely limited to a very small, speciality market. (Most who had shot MF film either moved to FF digital or the smaller and less expensive miniMF systems.)

This is one of those intriguing concepts that, for better or worse, is never going to be widely adopted. Like many of you, I have warm fond feelings about various film cameras that I used over the decades. I have no doubt that a few people will be interested… but as I pointed out above, this is not a market that Canon will ever enter, nor is it going to be more than a tiny niche even with third-party vendors.



Oct 30, 2023 at 11:31 AM
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I never did get a native m4/3 lens just used old 35mm lenses. The 70-210 46A Adaptall-2 basically becomes a 140-420 having 1:1.4 magnification! Old ~70-210 like the OM 65-200 having ~1:4 macro get as close as 1:2 on FF, at 400mm equivalent, so very useful.

Nikon has a recent retro camera so canon is probably going to do one. Df came out long ago very popular even though it used 16mp FF sensor.




Oct 30, 2023 at 12:16 PM
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