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Narrowing down the R body list

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p.1 #1 · p.1 #1 · Narrowing down the R body list

Canon Mirrorless model numbering system is very confusing. is there a good website that would help me narrow down which bodies would work for my style of photography? Wildlife, Birds, Vintage Racecars and Warbirds and Landscape.

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Oct 26, 2023 at 04:30 PM

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p.1 #2 · p.1 #2 · Narrowing down the R body list

The lower the number, the better and more expensive the camera for the most part. Anything made today will produce excellent images, but better cameras will have more physical controls for quick access to settings while shooting. Higher end cameras will also have better autofocus tracking, but the differences aren't as dramatic as they were in the DSLR days.

Oct 26, 2023 at 04:34 PM

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p.1 #3 · p.1 #3 · Narrowing down the R body list

You want to avoid M because Canon just discontinued it. If you want to have a mix that includes landscape I would normally suggest to go FF over a crop body which will narrow it down.

R is the body designation and RF is the lens. RF-S is the lens for the crop body. Do you need wider than 24mm for landscape? If not a 24-105mm type lens makes a good all around choice. Add a nice telephoto for wildlife.

Canon has a good selection for wider lenses for FF. The RF10-20 was announced but it is not cheap. You can get an RF 16mm for $250. Great little lens and sharp.

To narrow it down are you interested in FF or crop body? You can check this page for lens availability which may help.

https://www.usa.canon.com/shop/lenses/mirrorless-lenses

This the only wider RF-S for cop body that I'm aware of.

https://www.usa.canon.com/shop/p/rf-s18-45mm-f4-5-6-3-is-stm?color=Black&type=New

Oct 26, 2023 at 05:36 PM

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p.1 #4 · p.1 #4 · Narrowing down the R body list

I have an R7 which is the crop body. These are examples I got these with my RF 24-105 F IS. One with the R and the other with the R6II. Both FF. I wouldn't recommend the R for your all in one body needs.

I got the 2nd shot one with the R6II and 100-500.

I'm not suggesting that camera or lenses at this point. Just giving you an idea of what is passible.

Canon EOS R RF24-105mm F4 L IS USM lens 24mm f/6.3 1/500s 320 ISO +0.3 EV

Canon EOS R6m2 RF24-105mm F4 L IS USM lens 47mm f/6.3 1/640s 160 ISO +0.3 EV

Canon EOS R6m2 RF100-500mm F4.5-7.1 L IS USM + EXTENDER RF1.4x lens 700mm f/10.0 1/6400s 2500 ISO 0.0 EV

Oct 26, 2023 at 05:50 PM

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p.1 #5 · p.1 #5 · Narrowing down the R body list

Initially I was looking at the R6 MKII but then saw people talking about the R7 working well with Birds. Budget is a consideration. Right now i have the EF100-400L II and a 24-70 F4 and a toking 11-16 2.8. I was kind of thinking of keeping the smaller lenses and using an adapter and just replace the 100-400L II with something else. Maybe the RF 100-400 or possible the 100-500. Retired and living fixed income and don't sell images so budget is a fairly bog consideration.

Oct 26, 2023 at 06:15 PM

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p.1 #6 · p.1 #6 · Narrowing down the R body list

I have both the R6II and R7. If I could only have one it would be the R6II. As you can see I shot a small bird flying through reeds with the R6II. And that was with the 1.4 TC. As for copping power it is no R5 (45mp) but it can hold it's own.

You have a tough choice.

Canon EOS R6m2 RF24-105mm F4 L IS USM lens 105mm f/7.1 1/1000s 400 ISO +0.7 EV

Oct 26, 2023 at 06:23 PM

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p.1 #7 · p.1 #7 · Narrowing down the R body list

One last post so others can pipe in. This was with the R (FF) EF 100-400 II and a 2X. There was an adapter on there too.

Canon EOS R EF100-400mm f/4.5-5.6L IS II USM +2x III lens 800mm f/11.0 1/2500s 1600 ISO +0.7 EV

Oct 26, 2023 at 06:27 PM

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p.1 #8 · p.1 #8 · Narrowing down the R body list

The R had lousy FPS, terrible frame to frame blackout, no Case numbers to customize tracking characteristics. Despite all of that I had so much fun with an ML my 7D2 never came out of bag again.

Oct 26, 2023 at 06:36 PM

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p.1 #9 · p.1 #9 · Narrowing down the R body list

JimClark wrote:
Initially I was looking at the R6 MKII but then saw people talking about the R7 working well with Birds. Budget is a consideration. Right now i have the EF100-400L II and a 24-70 F4 and a toking 11-16 2.8. I was kind of thinking of keeping the smaller lenses and using an adapter and just replace the 100-400L II with something else. Maybe the RF 100-400 or possible the 100-500. Retired and living fixed income and don't sell images so budget is a fairly bog consideration.

I definitely do not consider the R7 as working well with birds. I posted in another thread recently that the R7’s features are overrated and overstated. The top 30 fps speed is electronic and the camera even warns you that some images will appear distorted. Basically anything that moves will have rolling shutter distortion, very noticeable on a bird’s wings as well as on the propellers of warbirds. For that matter anything not moving like trees and fences will also be leaning diagonally as you pan with your subject.

Another issue with the R7 is focus shifting, where the focus box will indicate the subject is in focus but the results will show an area or part of the subject behind your subject is actually in focus. In other words you think you’ve focused on the eyes only to find your photo is actually focusing on the perch behind the bird. Canon has explained that higher speed shooting is actually outpacing the autofocus.

If you go with the mechanical shutter over the electronic one be aware it is loud, annoyingly loud. I have the R5 as well and that may not be in your budget at this time (I’m also retired) but from what I’ve heard of the R6 II it sounds like a much better option than the R7.

The EF 100-400 II is a great lens and works very well on R series bodies with the adapter. I had it and traded it in towards the RF100-500. I much prefer the feel, weight and ergonomics of the RF 100-500. That said, the RF100-400 goes on sale periodically and can often be had for $499. We picked one up (at $599) to have a really lightweight zoom telephoto. Really wasn’t expecting much other being smaller and lighter but my wife used it on a whale watch and her results were excellent. She captured an almost total breaching from start to finish and every shot was on target. Even got some nice shots of a hammerhead cruising by just under the surface.

Think twice about the R7. Any of the telephoto zooms should do well, let the features, ergonomics and price guide your choice.

Oct 26, 2023 at 08:44 PM

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Oct 26, 2023 at 09:00 PM

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p.1 #11 · p.1 #11 · Narrowing down the R body list

Seeing you are on a budget like most of us I would just get an R6 or R6II and adapter. Keep the 100-400L IS II and complement it with a 1.4x or 2x Mark III TC. It will work flawlessly on the R6. Keep the EF 24-70. An alternate would be to wait for an R7mkII but who knows when that will happen and the question mark will still remain over its AF.

Oct 27, 2023 at 05:51 AM

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p.1 #12 · p.1 #12 · Narrowing down the R body list

JimClark wrote:
Initially I was looking at the R6 MKII but then saw people talking about the R7 working well with Birds. Budget is a consideration. Right now i have the EF100-400L II and a 24-70 F4 and a toking 11-16 2.8. I was kind of thinking of keeping the smaller lenses and using an adapter and just replace the 100-400L II with something else. Maybe the RF 100-400 or possible the 100-500. Retired and living fixed income and don't sell images so budget is a fairly bog consideration.

I will pile on and say to just keep your 100-400II. I use it for thousands of shots every week on my R6 (soccer, not birds). It is amazing and works better on the R bodies due to the way better AF system. The RF 100-400 is a nice, small and light lens. But it is not optically as good or as fast as your EF L lens. The 100-500 R series L lens is very nice, but costly and only you can decide if the extra 100mm is worth the cost over the 100-400L you already have. For me, it wasn't.

There is also a 200-800 rumored to be announced next week. that may be a better use of the upgrade money to pair with your 100-400, vs. buying the 100-500. Only have to wait a few more days to see.

For bodies, R6II is going to be great. If you want to save more money, the original R6 is 80% as good and cheaper. Also if you have an old, out of service canon body you can use the loyalty program and get a discount on certain new and refurbished bodies directly from the Canon store. So keep that in mind. Or buy used here on FM. Used prices on R5s may drop further early next year if the rumors are true that an R5II will be announced. You may be able to get a used R5 at that point for about the same price as a new R6II. If the megapixels are worth it to you, you may take the small risk on buying used to get them and still be within your budget.

Lots of great choices in the lineup right now.

Let us know what you decide!

Oct 27, 2023 at 07:54 AM

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p.1 #13 · p.1 #13 · Narrowing down the R body list

My summary of the R7. It may have some limitations which I didn't notice because I never shot in H+ in ES. I didn't want to cull all of those files. I find the AF pretty amazing. From the first day when I really started using it (not practising in the condo) I was pretty impressed how quickly it locked on an how well it tracked. It locked onto small bird heads in big ponds even with distracting reeds, etc. For BIF it just tracked. The AF point it adjusted the size as needed but just followed the bird.

However this is the first Canon body I can say I was a tad disappointed in. The mechanical shutter is awful, for me anyway. I don't even like it in EFCS. Seemed like Canon cheeped out a little.

The R5 specs show 14 bit for M/EFCS shutter and 12 bit for ES. It does not say that in the R7 manual but I find it hard to believe that processor could maintain 14 bit in ES when it can't keep up to AF at 30fps. The fellow from Photons to Photons measured it and say says it is 12 bit in ES. I'd prefer to shoot in 14 but then there is this. Canon stopped posting that info for other bodies as well.

https://photographylife.com/14-bit-vs-12-bit-raw

First post shows is a screen shot of unofficial readout speeds from one of Duade Paton's videos.

Then the R7 has it's moments.

Canon EOS R7 RF100-500mm F4.5-7.1 L IS USM lens 500mm f/7.1 1/5000s 1600 ISO +1.0 EV

Oct 27, 2023 at 10:27 AM

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I only had seconds with this shot. I was in a bird blind and it came from the left and was close to me. AF was crazy fast even with the TC. Shot in ES and the bird is a little elongated because of rolling shutter. I'm not sure if anyone would notice unless I pointed it out.

Canon EOS R7 RF100-500mm F4.5-7.1 L IS USM + EXTENDER RF1.4x lens 700mm f/10.0 1/3200s 1600 ISO 0.0 EV

Oct 27, 2023 at 10:30 AM

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p.1 #15 · p.1 #15 · Narrowing down the R body list

I had the 7DMk2 and always felt that the FPS outran the AF. It sounds like the R7 inherited that.

Oct 27, 2023 at 10:35 AM

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p.1 #16 · p.1 #16 · Narrowing down the R body list

I will put in a word for the R8, since budget was mentioned as a factor in the choice. Same sensor as the R6 mk2, same AF, only the shutter is a step backwards, a lesser but still competent viewfinder resolution and the lack of IBIS (but your telephoto has IS so not such a big deal).
If budget is an issue for lenses as well, sticking with EF lenses is a very competitive option to consider. Of course there is more bulk and in most cases weight involved with EF, but the sticker price of RF L lenses is mostly rather high, and there are few pre-owned available. As a previous post mentioned, the output of non-L RF lenses is in general much closer to the L glass than was the case with most non-L lenses in the EF system. In-camera corrections and the availability of HEIF output are part of that equation.

Oct 27, 2023 at 10:58 AM

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p.1 #17 · p.1 #17 · Narrowing down the R body list

Mike_5D wrote:
I had the 7DMk2 and always felt that the FPS outran the AF. It sounds like the R7 inherited that.

I set the FPS at 8 fps to reduce mirror slap. The 7D2 did have a new dampening system but it was still there.

Oct 27, 2023 at 11:03 AM

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p.1 #18 · p.1 #18 · Narrowing down the R body list

No matter what you choose to move forward with, you can keep your spending down by looking at the Buy and Sell forum and purchasing from reputable members or buying used from a reputable reseller with a warranty or buying new through Greentoe.

Oct 27, 2023 at 11:04 AM

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p.1 #19 · p.1 #19 · Narrowing down the R body list

Rivermist wrote:
I will put in a word for the R8, since budget was mentioned as a factor in the choice. Same sensor as the R6 mk2, same AF, only the shutter is a step backwards, a lesser but still competent viewfinder resolution and the lack of IBIS (but your telephoto has IS so not such a big deal).
If budget is an issue for lenses as well, sticking with EF lenses is a very competitive option to consider. Of course there is more bulk and in most cases weight involved with EF, but the sticker price of RF L lenses is...Show more →

One thing is it has no IBIS which no one had for many years and did well. While IBIS has it's benefits many wish Canon would allow us to shut IBIS off and only use IS. Didn't have it on the R and I never noticed anything bad.

Oct 27, 2023 at 11:07 AM

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p.1 #20 · p.1 #20 · Narrowing down the R body list

So for the OP help with the numbering bodies and budget.

FF

R. First ML. 30mp so a really nice sensor. No IBIS, very slow fps, etc. Very good AF. Owned it

R6. 20 MP. Released with the R5 as a less expensive model. 20 MP sensor but it was well regarded. Not many complaints. I didn't own it but had the R5.

R6II. 24mp, better AF with more options. Sold my R5 for the R6II and R7.

R8. 24mp. No IBIS. I don't know much about it. Rivermist pointed out a few things.

Crops

R7

R50. 24mp. No IBIS.

R100. 24 mp. No IBIS.

I don't know anything about the R50 and 100. The are lower versions of the R7. You can get details here.

https://www.usa.canon.com/shop/cameras/mirrorless-cameras

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