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https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.canonrumors.com/canon-eos-r1-prototypes-are-in-the-wild-cr3/%3famp

Not breaking news, as it has been a given.
Will be interesting so see the specs



Oct 24, 2023 at 12:53 PM
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double the image resolution would place it around the current R5, so not a deal breaker. I'm sure the price will be more than the R3 at launch, so there's that.


Oct 24, 2023 at 11:05 PM
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Just had a brush up on a whole lot of R1 rumors. Fascinating stuff. I'm certain the camera will be faster in terms of FPS.

I can see it aiming towards a higher resolution R3 essentially with a fair bit of focus on video.

But another bit which hasn't been discussed is bringing things back into what the 1Ds series provided. Which initially was a focus on higher resolution. But perhaps an s series comes later or not at all and resolution becomes the focus of the R5 range.

Whatever the case, I don't think this will be sub-45 megapixels. The question is what Canon has been up to on the sensor R&D side of things as this will be very much the flagship. Though honestly I think the R5 and R3 really were the flagships thus far of their body form factors.

Personally with a few R bodies now, R5 and R5c mainly. I'm looking where other 135 systems have been evolving and also the new range of middle/medium format bodies and how/when Canon aims at those.



Oct 25, 2023 at 12:17 AM
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If 'all' the R1 ends up with in terms of specs is something in the 45-50mp range with a stacked sensor, in some ways won't that be a disappointment? Between the A1, the Z9 and even the Z8, you already have three really great cameras with those basic specs. Also, where would that leave the R5II? I have to admit I'm really leaning on moving 100% back to Nikon, have been waiting for the R5ii with a stacked sensor, but the Z8 already has it and does everything well.


Oct 26, 2023 at 04:56 PM
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cohenfive wrote:
If 'all' the R1 ends up with in terms of specs is something in the 45-50mp range with a stacked sensor, in some ways won't that be a disappointment? Between the A1, the Z9 and even the Z8, you already have three really great cameras with those basic specs. Also, where would that leave the R5II? I have to admit I'm really leaning on moving 100% back to Nikon, have been waiting for the R5ii with a stacked sensor, but the Z8 already has it and does everything well.


So the R6 II was a very nice upgrade, the R5 will follow right behind making it closer to the z9 and a1 so sufficient enough for nearly everything. I just can't see Canon going beyond 30mb for the R1 with a huge focus on 4k video, leave the R5 II for 8k with same sensor so you have to buy multiple cameras. The R3 gets hosed because it won't see any firmware updates and for the most part the R6 II is close enough. Not to sound negative but sometimes I wonder if Canon really cares about stills vs going after video and commercial applications given all these patents and R&D.

I just tested the R6 II and was totally surprised how good it was, so if the R5 II has a similar upgrade I'd probably be able to buy two of them vs a single R1. )



Oct 26, 2023 at 05:51 PM
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cohenfive wrote:
If 'all' the R1 ends up with in terms of specs is something in the 45-50mp range with a stacked sensor, in some ways won't that be a disappointment? Between the A1, the Z9 and even the Z8, you already have three really great cameras with those basic specs. Also, where would that leave the R5II? I have to admit I'm really leaning on moving 100% back to Nikon, have been waiting for the R5ii with a stacked sensor, but the Z8 already has it and does everything well.

What makes you think the R5II will get a stacked sensor? I can understand that you think it should, but the R6II doesn't have it and the R5 does very vell without it.



Oct 27, 2023 at 12:35 AM
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Well if the a9 III is any indication of where these next-gen bodies are going, the R1 will hopefully have a global shutter. At $5999 for a 24MP body though it definitely won’t come cheap if the R1 is 45-50MP. A body that shoots 120fps with full autofocus at that resolution with no blackout would be the end-all-be-all body for me, I can’t really think of a feature that would make me feel like I needed to upgrade from that. Autofocus on the R3 is already phenomenal and the low light performance is unreal, if the R1 can match it in low light performance then that’s going to be the only camera I need. Exciting times, nice to see manufacturers innovating and pushing things forward again!


Nov 07, 2023 at 08:42 AM
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An interesting point in the Sony presentation for me is the final speaker (Bubolo) saying "A 24 MP global shutter sensor with no compromise on ISO or dynamic range. We're the only company that can do it." The bar is set for Canon's announcements and we'll see soon what they can do... Interesting times.

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PhilH wrote:
Just had a brush up on a whole lot of R1 rumors. Fascinating stuff. I'm certain the camera will be faster in terms of FPS.

I can see it aiming towards a higher resolution R3 essentially with a fair bit of focus on video.

But another bit which hasn't been discussed is bringing things back into what the 1Ds series provided. Which initially was a focus on higher resolution. But perhaps an s series comes later or not at all and resolution becomes the focus of the R5 range.

Whatever the case, I don't think this will be sub-45 megapixels. The question is
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I think the 5Ds demonstrated to Canon that the high-MP camera doesn't need the 1-Series build/form factor (I'd 100% agree). The real question is why haven't Canon released a mirrorless 5Ds (no, the R5 is not it).

And, I honestly don't understand why the R1 will exist given the R3, or why the R3 exists given the impending R1. Unless of course Canon has a rabbit up its sleeve with the R1...



Nov 07, 2023 at 09:21 AM
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Tony5787 wrote:
Well if the a9 III is any indication of where these next-gen bodies are going, the R1 will hopefully have a global shutter. At $5999 for a 24MP body though it definitely won’t come cheap if the R1 is 45-50MP. A body that shoots 120fps with full autofocus at that resolution with no blackout would be the end-all-be-all body for me, I can’t really think of a feature that would make me feel like I needed to upgrade from that. Autofocus on the R3 is already phenomenal and the low light performance is unreal, if the R1 can match it
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I am not a sports guy but global shutter with 120fps can be great for exposure bracketing (like smartphones).
The camera should be able to take 3-10 RAWs super quickly. It could then save that as a package on the card.
Then with using AI, lightroom could do some nice HDR color mapping.




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The 1 series has always been prioritized for "speed", AF accuracy, etc., never for resolution.

If it does come out with higher resolution, 50-60MP, I suspect it will be similar to Nikon's Z9, with a 20-24MP Crop mode.



Nov 07, 2023 at 09:56 AM
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Perhaps the professional cameras will become bifurcated. R3 vs A9 for super high speed twenty something MP. R1 vs A1 for higher resolution.


Nov 07, 2023 at 10:42 AM
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PhilH wrote:
Just had a brush up on a whole lot of R1 rumors. Fascinating stuff. I'm certain the camera will be faster in terms of FPS.

I can see it aiming towards a higher resolution R3 essentially with a fair bit of focus on video.

But another bit which hasn't been discussed is bringing things back into what the 1Ds series provided. Which initially was a focus on higher resolution. But perhaps an s series comes later or not at all and resolution becomes the focus of the R5 range.

Whatever the case, I don't think this will be sub-45 megapixels. The question is
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I think we’re far enough along now that a fair number of folks may not know about the 1Ds system. (See the “bifurcated” comment above, and read on about how the flagship Canon line WAS “bifurcated” for years.)

As you point out, it was basically a version of the 1D series that gave up some operational speed (esp. fps) in order to provide what was then the highest possible sensor resolution. This was originally back when the only full-frame Canon cameras were the 1-series bodies, and the others were all cropped-sensor bodies.

Back then I knew folks whose photography benefitted more from resolution and larger sensor than from operational speed who paid the (substantial!) additional price for the 1Ds models.

That all largely changed when Canon introduced the original 5D with a full frame high resolution (for the time) sensor and a much lower price point, but without quite the beefy 1-series build or the speed increment of the 1D models. The great majority of those who wanted a full frame sensor with higher resolution decided that the value proposition of the 5D was better than that of the much more expensive 1Ds models. Canon continued to improve the 5D line and eventually the 1Ds line was no longer competitive.

They tried to claim that the 1Dx was the camera that merged the assets of the 1D and 1Ds lines, but few were convinced. (It was a fine upgrade to the 1D models, but it didn’t offer much to those who were happily using the 5D line.)

I’m betting that this idea has remained on the collective Canon mind — that they would still like to have a camera that is both high resolution and fast. In fact, a camera with R5 resolution and 1Dx speed would meet almost everyone’s logical needs. However, with the competition continuing to push forward with higher resolution sensors (and the miniMF format sitting out there on the horizon), I think that Canon won’t be able to avoid producing a camera with a higher resolution for very long. It already impresses some as being a bit odd (though not really a big deal in IQ terms) that the R5 has slightly less resolution than the older 5Ds/5DsR line.

In any case, if they can produce a 45MP R body that offers performance at the 1-series level, it will sell to those who currently want/need 1D series performance.



Nov 07, 2023 at 11:40 AM
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Sony's new A9III and 300 2.8 look incredible. That 300 2.8 is a featherweight. Global shutter in the A9III is pretty insane. Quite the sports setup.


Nov 07, 2023 at 11:43 AM
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The Sony 9III takes a hit in DR with its global shutter at a base ISO of 250. I wonder if the R1 will be sports camera or an all arounder?


Nov 07, 2023 at 12:06 PM
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mogul wrote:
The Sony 9III takes a hit in DR with its global shutter at a base ISO of 250. I wonder if the R1 will be sports camera or an all arounder?


I would think the R1 will be intended to compete the the A1 spec. R1 should be fast and high MP, and the R3 can remain at 24MP to compete with the A9III. The A1 mark II can't be too far off, so I would hope Canon gets the R1 out fairly soon.



Nov 07, 2023 at 12:11 PM
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artsupreme wrote:
Sony's new A9III and 300 2.8 look incredible. That 300 2.8 is a featherweight. Global shutter in the A9III is pretty insane. Quite the sports setup.
Global shutters will take a hit on DR as well as having more noise. Still pretty amazing to see the progress being made.




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Nov 07, 2023 at 12:13 PM
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robert_in_ca wrote:
Global shutters will take a hit on DR as well as having more noise. Still pretty amazing to see the progress being made.



I hear you, but for sports I wouldn't mind much. I'm betting the latest sensor tech will make the hit on DR and noise very minor and easy to cleanup. It seems more likely now that Canon has to continue the R3 line specifically for PJ/sports and also introduce the R1 line to compete with Sony's line.



Nov 07, 2023 at 12:18 PM
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artsupreme wrote:
Sony's new A9III and 300 2.8 look incredible. That 300 2.8 is a featherweight. Global shutter in the A9III is pretty insane. Quite the sports setup.


Agreed, on paper it all looks amazing. I'm guessing it will mostly translate to real world capabilities, too. The 300 is amazingly lightweight at basically half the weight of the original EF 300/2.8 from the '80s. But I can't help feel Sony slightly missed the boat by making it a prime lens. Maybe it's so it can be as small and light as possible. However, from my somewhat sports-centric perspective at least, if given the choice, I will never go back to fast prime super-tele lenses if equivalent (speed and image quality) zooms are available. Especially with 'low' resolution ~24MP FF sensors. In this respect I feel Canon got it right with the 100-300/2.8 and the hopefully soon to be released rumored 200-500/4. Canon's 200-400 was a significant reason I stuck with them since Sony's original a9 release in ~2017... and ~6 years later, still nothing like it from Sony. Kind of surprised, TBH.

As for the R1... Canon has a smaller global shutter sensor option for the C700 cine camera. And last December apparently released a couple full frame global shutter sensors for industrial applications. Those were only 19MP and 12-bit readout.

Between Nikon's 'cheap' and high-res Z8 stacked sensor, Sony's similar stacked sensor options, and now this global shutter premiere in mirrorless, Canon again have a bit of catching up to do. Maybe good reasons why the R5 has not yet been replaced and the rumored R1 still hasn't landed. Hopefully Canon will be able to deliver...!



Nov 07, 2023 at 01:17 PM
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