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p.1 #1 · Any 1 to 1 comparisons of A7CII to A7CR?


One of those rare times we get basically the same body, features, and OS, but different sensors. Are there any RAW comparisons out there doing like for like to see what the extra resolution gets you?

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Oct 19, 2023 at 11:36 PM
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p.1 #2 · Any 1 to 1 comparisons of A7CII to A7CR?


If you just want to see the resolution difference, I would just look at A7IV vs A7rV comparisons (like DPR's studio scene). They have the same sensors.

Otherwise, there are a few minor differences like video specs and the A7CR having pixel shift. DPR has you covered there too:

https://www.dpreview.com/articles/7035344801/sony-a7c-ii-vs-a7cr-what-are-they-and-how-do-they-compare



Oct 20, 2023 at 11:49 AM
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p.1 #3 · Any 1 to 1 comparisons of A7CII to A7CR?


B&H has a video comparing the two. I haven't found >2x the pixels to be as dramatic as you might think on other bodies

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=fUjrv0eJSp0



Oct 20, 2023 at 12:24 PM
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p.1 #4 · Any 1 to 1 comparisons of A7CII to A7CR?


Thanks. FWIW I'm less interested in feature comparisons and looking for more for sample shots of the two bodies with identical settings. I'll check out that B&H video though, thanks.


Oct 20, 2023 at 12:37 PM
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p.1 #5 · Any 1 to 1 comparisons of A7CII to A7CR?


One big advantage is the crop ability of the higher res sensor. Many times I can’t get the exact shot that I want and the ability to crop and still have lots of pixels is really important.


Oct 20, 2023 at 01:33 PM
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p.1 #6 · Any 1 to 1 comparisons of A7CII to A7CR?


I went back and forth between the C II and CR and ended up with the CR but want to make it clear I only shoot stills. I owned both the A7RV and A7IV so I was familiar with the sensors. Decided cropability even though 33 Mpixels more than meets my needs most of the time. For my use the 8 fps was enough but would like a body with a faster fps. For real work though the two A1s I have cover that. So travel is my real use so we will see if I made any the right choice.


Oct 20, 2023 at 03:19 PM
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p.1 #7 · Any 1 to 1 comparisons of A7CII to A7CR?


swldstn wrote:
I went back and forth between the C II and CR and ended up with the CR but want to make it clear I only shoot stills. I owned both the A7RV and A7IV so I was familiar with the sensors. Decided cropability even though 33 Mpixels more than meets my needs most of the time. For my use the 8 fps was enough but would like a body with a faster fps. For real work though the two A1s I have cover that. So travel is my real use so we will see if I made any the right
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How do you feel the A7IV and the A&V compare in terms of high iso (6400, 12800, 25600) in low light? In terms of shadow and highlight information recovery? Still shooter here as well, got the CR but coming from an A7C but not really happy with the output I'm getting, wondering if the CII would be a better fit after all.



Oct 21, 2023 at 12:56 AM
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p.1 #8 · Any 1 to 1 comparisons of A7CII to A7CR?


marcelography wrote:
How do you feel the A7IV and the A&V compare in terms of high iso (6400, 12800, 25600) in low light? In terms of shadow and highlight information recovery? Still shooter here as well, got the CR but coming from an A7C but not really happy with the output I'm getting, wondering if the CII would be a better fit after all.


Read your other post and admit I just don’t know yet if the A7C II would have been a better choice. Need to really get out an shoot more to solidify my thinking. Let us know more about what you find.



Oct 21, 2023 at 07:41 AM
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p.1 #9 · Any 1 to 1 comparisons of A7CII to A7CR?


swldstn wrote:
Read your other post and admit I just don’t know yet if the A7C II would have been a better choice. Need to really get out an shoot more to solidify my thinking. Let us know more about what you find.


absolutely will do, I think it might have to do with the way I capture and process photos, combined with how I have been recently processing the files from the M10 during the trip for three weeks already prior to getting the A7CR. I usually go for a more contrasty treatment for a start, then bringing shadows up and highlights down as needed. But during this trip I have been doing a flatter lower contrast treatment overall using Neutral and then bringing shadows at +60 and highlights at -60 that to me resembles film a bit more and somehow I feel is matching the urban scenes in Tokyo, especially at night time. I think this kind of shadow recovery might not be ideal for this sensor though, as I'm getting tons of hot pixel noise in more homogeneous almost black areas.

I've been tinkering with settings and shooting in the streets for a more practical feel of the camera, in the hopes I find the way to better use it. I had the A7Rii on my last trip to Japan and it performed beautifully, I'd cap the auto ISO at 6400 and it was all good (maybe a bit of green cast on recovered shadows). So I'm confident that the A7CR should be better, just need to get along with it.



Oct 21, 2023 at 10:13 AM
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p.1 #10 · Any 1 to 1 comparisons of A7CII to A7CR?


Tarekith wrote:
Thanks. FWIW I'm less interested in feature comparisons and looking for more for sample shots of the two bodies with identical settings. I'll check out that B&H video though, thanks.


At the end of the B&H video they showed the moon photos both cameras took from the same 200-600mm lens mounted on a tripod. Below is a captured screenshot and while we don't know the settings it was clearly visible that the A7CR has more detail, look at the craters at the top left and lower crater in the bottom middle, you can see it there. (at least I can on my 27" iMac 5K screen). Of course there are variables, but they most likely took multiple shots each and posted the sharpest one.











Oct 21, 2023 at 12:02 PM
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p.1 #11 · Any 1 to 1 comparisons of A7CII to A7CR?


chez wrote:
One big advantage is the crop ability of the higher res sensor. Many times I can’t get the exact shot that I want and the ability to crop and still have lots of pixels is really important.


But Harry that's because you enjoy photographing with small primes. Imagine if you wacked a big fat zoom on your cameras, the n you wouldn't need to crop! I jest of course. I often use zooms and still end up cropping and agree it's an excellent reason to choose the CR.



Oct 21, 2023 at 12:34 PM
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p.1 #12 · Any 1 to 1 comparisons of A7CII to A7CR?


FWIW, I did the equation as well, and I ended up ordering the A7Cii. I don't shoot landscape, mostly people, portrait, and travel. I have been using the A7RV for the last 11 months, and the A7IV before that. The Cii sensor with 33 MP is more than adequate for my needs, the low-light capabilities, etc.

If I want to take full advantage of that 61mp sensor, I want the best GM/G glass and the big EVF for best composition and reviewing critical sharpness, thus I much rather buy a used A7RV for around $3K. Also, 61 MP files are bigger to process, store, etc.

The Cii will arrive soon, then I'll test it for a few weeks to see if my assumptions are correct. Meanwhile the Sony world will go focus on the A9iii :-)



Oct 23, 2023 at 06:42 PM
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p.1 #13 · Any 1 to 1 comparisons of A7CII to A7CR?


using the A7CR for a couple weeks already and finally getting along with it! I've been shooting with a 2.8 zoom and I find it that in low light having faster primes would be very beneficial to avoid having the tap the 6400-12800 range. Even so, I've been learning how to handle 12800 and 6400 feels pretty usable. the camera brings back highlights quite well (something that I noticed the A7Rii and the RX1Rii are very good with) while shadow detail can sometimes be a bit muddy at those high iso values. So I've been balancing exposure having this in mind.

For travel I have been enjoying sticking to this 20-40/2.8 zoom from Tamron instead of changing faster primes all the time, so in that sense a more low light capable camera could be a better call (like the A7C or the A7C2). It's awesome to have the amount of detail the A7CR can pack into images but the huge raw files can consume storage rather quickly, so it's better to invest in bigger memory cards, ssd storage and so on. I've been shooting with 24mp cameras for the past 5 years or so, I had forgotten how quickly files can eat up storage.



Nov 01, 2023 at 10:04 PM
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p.1 #14 · Any 1 to 1 comparisons of A7CII to A7CR?


Apart from the higher price, there seems to be no more disadvantage with the higher resolution sensor. However, I'm a bit doubtful about the crop-ability. To get the full benefit of the 61MP sensor, you need the best glass (tend to be heavy), shoot it at the optimal aperture (which may not be what you want for DOF, say for landscape), ensure no camera movement (tripod), shoot at the base ISO to minimize losing resolution due to noise, and ensure high enough shutter speed to freeze any subject movement (which may require higher ISO which means noise that reduces resolution). All these tend to reduce mobility of the photographer which seems to be against the idea of shooting with a compact camera such as the A7Cs. If your lens, shooting discipline, shooting parameters, and shooting environment do not meet the highest standard, you may not get the full 61MP resolution. Then you think you are cropping a 61MP image, but actually you are cropping an image with a much lower resolution. Or you think you have paid for a 61MP camera, but you actually get a camera with much lower resolution.


Nov 01, 2023 at 10:32 PM
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foto16 wrote:
Apart from the higher price, there seems to be no more disadvantage with the higher resolution sensor. However, I'm a bit doubtful about the crop-ability. To get the full benefit of the 61MP sensor, you need the best glass (tend to be heavy), shoot it at the optimal aperture (which may not be what you want for DOF, say for landscape), ensure no camera movement (tripod), shoot at the base ISO to minimize losing resolution due to noise, and ensure high enough shutter speed to freeze any subject movement (which may require higher ISO which means noise that reduces resolution).
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I think being able to crop or shoot it with a prime but using it as two different lenses is a nice thing to have but not really a game changer, I think.

I think we might have very different tolerances to image quality, but still, I've been for two weeks shooting in various light scenarios, including VERY low light situations, and getting pretty sharp handheld results even in, as I have just tested outside at night, an almost pitch black scene. I leave auto iso maxing out at 12800, but for scenes I want to ensure I'll have a bit more depth I'll either set iso to 6400 or 3200 to keep noise in control.

About lenses... the classic ït depends". I've been using the 20-40/2.8 Tamron which is not the best optically but it's pretty sharp even wide open, so I don't think it's necessarily the case of needing a big GM lens to perceive the resolution advantage.

There are some pretty good compact primes that I quite enjoy shooting with that balance so nicely on the A7C body type and would be very good options. I think the most obvious one would be the FE 35/1.8 - I preferred it over the 35/1.4 being much more compact and lighter, and honestly I personally didn't perceive a significant difference between the two to go for the GM. With the 35/1.8 you get as a bonus a 24mp 50mm-ish lens. Another good option which I think can be even more useful is the FE 28.2, a lens that I think is pretty great, have served me well and with the crop it becomes a 24mp 40mm, a FOV I quite enjoy shooting with. It's pretty tiny and very light. Not the sharpest nor the fastest AF but still it should be a good short trip combo, or even as for casual day strolls. The 20/1.8 I think is a better lens overall but it's considerably bigger and heavier (same size as the 20-40/2.8, so between the two it usually makes more sense to bring the zoom). Finally, the FE 55/1.8 which is an older lens but it checks out. Yes, other 50mm launched more recently are optically better but I still quite love what this lens brings to the table. Its only downside to me is the minimum close focus which is not as near as I would like to.




Nov 02, 2023 at 09:57 AM
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p.1 #16 · Any 1 to 1 comparisons of A7CII to A7CR?


Totally agree with the ability to crop is a big advantage. And no, one does not require the best GM lenses to make great images ( even cropped ) with the higher resolution sensors.


Nov 02, 2023 at 11:05 AM
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p.1 #17 · Any 1 to 1 comparisons of A7CII to A7CR?


I have the R and I noticed huge improvement in resolution even with the modest sigma 45 wide open, all modern lenses are quite sharp enough particularly stopped down. Isn't the equation something like camera mtf x lens mtf = system mtf, indicating that any improvement to the camera will improve the entire system output regardless of lens. I haven't changed anything with regards to shutter speed or technique either. If anything I'm shooting lower SS because ibis is much better than on my a9.

I cropped extremely deep into a few shots from a recent trip that I never would have on 24mp. That said I'm still really pleased with my 24mp camera and beyond crop-ability and being able to run APSC lenses without penalty I don't see a need to get the R over the Cii but I am glad I did, once you can snag the R used for under 2k in a year or so it will be a no brainer. The R also has better rolling shutter in 4k modes which also nudged me in that direction.



Nov 02, 2023 at 11:33 AM
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p.1 #18 · Any 1 to 1 comparisons of A7CII to A7CR?


Just run your photo through adobe Super resolution megapixels be dammed .


Nov 02, 2023 at 11:38 AM
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p.1 #19 · Any 1 to 1 comparisons of A7CII to A7CR?


marcelography wrote:
I think being able to crop or shoot it with a prime but using it as two different lenses is a nice thing to have but not really a game changer, I think.



I certainly don't disagree. For someone who's willing to pay for the A7CR, the extra flexibility may come in handy.

Just want to add that for someone who's considering the A7CII, the crop-ability is there too. The APSC mode on the A7CII will give you 15MP, which is no slouch (some folks may recall that 16-20MP was the standard for many years, e.g., the venerable Nikon D4 only had 16MP). With today's software (such as Gigapixel AI) one can almost print as big as you wish with 15MP.



Nov 02, 2023 at 11:40 AM
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p.1 #20 · Any 1 to 1 comparisons of A7CII to A7CR?


I remember 10+ years ago going to a photography gallery in Houston and looking at prints of Mitch Dobrowner’s awesome storm photos that he made with a Canon 5DMk2, and its 21MP sensor. The prints looked fantastic at sizes of 20x30”, or more. I eventually got one of those cameras and loved it until I decided to try the Fuji X-series cameras, which I found to be better in every way, despite the APS-C sensor. Now I use an A7IV.

You simply don’t need more than 33MP unless you make really big prints, AND you want people to be able to look at them super close up, or…you like to crop a lot. Without cropping, you really won’t see any difference until you print really big, and even then, the difference isn’t that big.



Nov 02, 2023 at 03:08 PM
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