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p.2 #1 · p.2 #1 · EOS M discontinued

PicGuy wrote:
To me, it made sense as a small system alternative to DSLRs and a way to dip a toe into MILC while being able to use EF/EF-S lenses. It had a lot of potential but Canon never intended to make it realized.

I just don't think it was intended to have a bunch of auxiliary lenses. Apparently not too important to the average M user, some of whom only used 15-45. Of course, that doesn't make any sense to us

But it's still very usable. It'd be nice to get an M6 II having the latest 32mp sensor, I believe that the EF and EF-s lenses can be adapted. Really no shortage of FL and lenses available, and native lenses should be available used no.problem for years

Oct 20, 2023 at 12:05 PM

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p.2 #2 · p.2 #2 · EOS M discontinued

alundeb wrote:
When I compare to the M6 II, it is apparent that it is the viewfinder of the R cameras that increases the size, so for cameras with VF the size of the mount doesn't matter that much.

Comparison with M6 below. The mount itself is higher than M6 and you need some space on top of the mount as well. So even without the EVF it would still not be able to get to the compact size that EOS-M bodies could get to

Both the 16 mm and 28 mm should work nicely on APS-C although they are not as fast as designated crop lenses could be.

That was precisely what i was saying that once you share the mount with FF, the focus on making dedicated APS-C lenses goes away and you are left with a bits and pieces lineup.

Oct 20, 2023 at 12:12 PM

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p.2 #3 · p.2 #3 · EOS M discontinued

Another example - you can pair the M6 with the dedicated 32mm 1.4 lens on the left vs using the 35mm 1.8 on the R100 on the right:

Oct 20, 2023 at 12:33 PM

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p.2 #4 · p.2 #4 · EOS M discontinued

curious80 wrote:
Another example - you can pair the M6 with the dedicated 32mm 1.4 lens on the left vs using the 35mm 1.8 on the R100 on the right:

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/53272680803_873a15a4d3_c.jpg
The 35mm/R100 combo gives you IS. The weight difference might no be all that different between them.

Oct 20, 2023 at 12:48 PM

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p.2 #5 · p.2 #5 · EOS M discontinued

AmbientMike wrote:
I just don't think it was intended to have a bunch of auxiliary lenses. Apparently not too important to the average M user, some of whom only used 15-45. Of course, that doesn't make any sense to us

But it's still very usable. It'd be nice to get an M6 II having the latest 32mp sensor, I believe that the EF and EF-s lenses can be adapted. Really no shortage of FL and lenses available, and native lenses should be available used no.problem for years
I liked the 15-45mm kit lens. IMO, it was the most useful one Canon made for digital cameras.

Oct 20, 2023 at 12:50 PM

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p.2 #6 · p.2 #6 · EOS M discontinued

curious80 wrote:
Comparison with M6 below. The mount itself is higher than M6 and you need some space on top of the mount as well. So even without the EVF it would still not be able to get to the compact size that EOS-M bodies could get to

That was precisely what i was saying that once you share the mount with FF, the focus on making dedicated APS-C lenses goes away and you are left with a bits and pieces lineup.

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/53272729039_a00e28fd6c_b.jpg
I could accept a couple of mm higher and still call it a compact camera.

Time will tell, when the RF Line is mature, there will be more room for compact bodies and special lenses.

Oct 20, 2023 at 12:52 PM

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p.2 #7 · p.2 #7 · EOS M discontinued

Forgot to mention, I don't understand why the camera needs to be higher than the mount. Anybody remember the Sony Nex 5?
IMO the RF mount does not negate bodies practically as small as M.

Oct 20, 2023 at 01:05 PM

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p.2 #8 · p.2 #8 · EOS M discontinued

AmbientMike wrote:
... I believe that the EF and EF-s lenses can be adapted.

Yes. For sure. I use EF and EF-S lenses on my EOS M-series cameras. Also, Minolta MD and Leica LTM/LM, although FF would be better for the venerable Alt lenses.

Oct 20, 2023 at 01:38 PM

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p.2 #9 · p.2 #9 · EOS M discontinued

PicGuy wrote:
I liked the 15-45mm kit lens. IMO, it was the most useful one Canon made for digital cameras.

I had this lens, plus the EF-M 55-200mm, for awhile with the M50. I ended up selling both lenses and bought a EF-M 18-150mm to replace them both. For the way I used the camera, it was a much better solution. I also had the EF-M 11-22mm and EF-M 22mm f/2 lenses. That three lens kit with the M50 fit great in a small camera bag when I wanted to travel light and leave the bigger gear (5D3 and 7D2) at home.

Oct 20, 2023 at 03:02 PM

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p.2 #10 · p.2 #10 · EOS M discontinued

PicGuy wrote:
I liked the 15-45mm kit lens. IMO, it was the most useful one Canon made for digital cameras.

Have to laugh a bit. My trusty over 5 year old G1X3 has a 15-45 f2.8-5.6 lens that is sharper than any of the EF-S or M similar lenses I've tested it against. Also weather sealed and collapses into a 14 oz camera. The sensor is the same dual pixel AF 24 MP that Canon still uses today.

I like traveling with two bodies, an ILC with reach, macro, and wide and my G which covers all the normal photographic needs. Too bad it gets such little recognition.

I hope Canon hasn't quietly discontinued it. Probably won't get any mention anywhere if so.

Oct 20, 2023 at 07:00 PM

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p.2 #11 · p.2 #11 · EOS M discontinued

Jeff Nolten wrote:
I hope Canon hasn't quietly discontinued it. Probably won't get any mention anywhere if so.

This summer a Canon rep told me they're having a hard time keeping inventory of some of their higher end compacts because of spillover from the Fuji X100 that exploded in demand due to recent influencer hype. I doubt the X100 hype will be sustainable, but at least in the short term it seems it has created greater general interest in compact cameras among some subset of hipsters.

Oct 21, 2023 at 12:01 AM

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p.2 #12 · p.2 #12 · EOS M discontinued

Scott MGoBlue wrote:
I had this lens, plus the EF-M 55-200mm, for awhile with the M50. I ended up selling both lenses and bought a EF-M 18-150mm to replace them both. For the way I used the camera, it was a much better solution. I also had the EF-M 11-22mm and EF-M 22mm f/2 lenses. That three lens kit with the M50 fit great in a small camera bag when I wanted to travel light and leave the bigger gear (5D3 and 7D2) at home.

As someone who still owns and uses the 5d3 and (very occasionally) 7d2 I could have written your post word for word

On a different topic..
I honestly don’t believe for a second canon will give new owners of their new aps-c R bodies any more lens choices than they ever did with either ef-s or ef-m
Both ef-s and ef-m bodies had potential to be a entirely different system to full frame, aps-c sensors were easily good enough despite what the full frame wannabe lookatme brigade would have you believe, the problem was the limited choice of fast sharp lenses be it primes or zooms. Given the smaller sensor size faster sharper lenses would help with noise issues at higher iso.
Personally I now think canon are total twats, they are using the smaller format to hook users and steer them towards their bigger full frame (probably out of frustration) complete with much bigger, much heavier, much faster and way way way more expensive lenses. Yep exactly what the average snapper needs for taking snaps of his pets!!

To think otherwise implies you’ve bought into the marketing spiel or worse purchased for bragging rights…let’s not be coy!!

I dipped my toe very briefly into the canon full frame mirrorless on a limited budget of <cough cough> £2000….all bought used.
My takeaway is unless you intend to throw BIG money (£5-6K minimum) and that’s doing it on the cheap, just leave it alone.

I did/have

I feel much better

It’s all part of the never ending consumer trap - get us to spend money on things we are told we need.

No ta, I’ll keep my money.
And take pictures with the older gear.

I’m done with lining peoples pocket.
Funny thing is I haven’t actually missed out. Still taking perfectly sharp clear snaps on my flappers (amazing battery life). The kicker is I’ve watched my spending all year, all those impulse buys at £50 here, £100 there…. soon adds up, the irony is I’ve actually accumulated enough this year by avoiding the consumer trap to buy a new R3 with nice L glass to boot!! I now want neither. It’s really knocked it home just how much money I squandered - never again

It’s all marketing bullshit.
Meanwhile I’ll carry on snapping and accumulating my savings.

So proud of myself that I finally broke the consumer cycle.
It’s a liberating feeling when you realise it’s all just a huge con to get you to part with money or worse get into debt to simply to fill others bank accounts!!

Nope

So, in hindsight maybe I should thank canon for (inadvertently) opening my eyes.

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Oct 21, 2023 at 03:53 AM

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p.2 #13 · p.2 #13 · EOS M discontinued

In the last couple of years Canon have dropped all three of their legacy non-RF interchangeable lens mounts and their flash shoe.

Given that their biggest (at times in the last decade, only) advantage has been their position as market leader, it’s a risky strategy. Its execution has been incomplete, maybe due to supply chain problems, or maybe just because it was never possible. They have now discontinued their mirrorless APS-C system without releasing equivalent lenses for the RF mount. Likewise, I have wanted to buy a 90mm TS-E lens for a year, and they are no longer available for the EF mount and not even announced for the RF mount. It is as if they think customers are there to serve them, not the other way around.

Oct 21, 2023 at 05:35 AM

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p.2 #14 · p.2 #14 · EOS M discontinued

PicGuy wrote:
The 35mm/R100 combo gives you IS. The weight difference might no be all that different between them.

The true difference is in the image quality. The ef-m 32mm is the best lens for crop cameras from Canon. You can't pair the lens to a body with IBIS, and you can't pair the crop body with IBIS to that lens, that's true. But that doesn't make the IQ of the RF 35mm f/1.8 stm on crop any better. The 32mm gave you the L zoom quality in a very compact package. Stunning results in a very flexible focal length. The 35mm is o.k.ish on full frame, but on a 32Mp crop body the IQ can't keep up.

In a wider perspective the 32mm f/1.4 was the best portable Canon 50mm field of view lens. I definitely prefer it over the RF 50mm f/1.8 stm. The RF f/1.2 L is 950 grams. All other 50mm Canon options are soft wide open. Canon and 50mm has been always a problem. This 32mmm was the exception to the rule. If you want that IQ in that field of view you have to go A7CII + Sigma 50mm f/2.0.

Oct 22, 2023 at 03:20 AM

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There really are/were some gems among the EF-M lenses, and they will be missed.
Still, I don't buy into the conspiracy theory that Canon never will make high quality RF-S lenses because they want the money to go into upgrading to FF. Opinions will vary of course.

Oct 22, 2023 at 03:41 AM

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p.2 #16 · p.2 #16 · EOS M discontinued

alundeb wrote:
There really are/were some gems among the EF-M lenses, and they will be missed.
Still, I don't buy into the conspiracy theory that Canon never will make high quality RF-S lenses because they want the money to go into upgrading to FF. Opinions will vary of course.
We'll see.

Personally, for RF crop stuff, I didn't expect anything else than the R7.

The RF primes (save the 135mm) don't come with crazy fast AF, so a slow focusing body is good enough. The used marked is flooded with very affordable used RP's and R's, so a stellar crop prime around 500 euro is a hard sell anyway. You can do a lot with just a 16+28+85mm. The middle ground 50mm is all what's missing.

Oct 22, 2023 at 04:05 AM

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p.2 #17 · p.2 #17 · EOS M discontinued

steamtrain wrote:
We'll see.

Personally, for RF crop stuff, I didn't expect anything else than the R7.

The RF primes (save the 135mm) don't come with crazy fast AF, so a slow focusing body is good enough. The used marked is flooded with very affordable used RP's and R's, so a stellar crop prime around 500 euro is a hard sell anyway. You can do a lot with just a 16+28+85mm. The middle ground 50mm is all what's missing.

I actually went the RF 16, 35, 50 and 85 route with my RP. Initially I intended to get the R10 as it shared the same battery as my RP. Those 4 lenses on crop would have been equivalent to 25, 56, 85 and 135 with the 35 & 85 having IS

But I came to my senses and abandoned the idea
The R stuff is all sat in a plastic box unused
I’ve not missed it in the slightest tbh. I just got caught up and swept along with everyone else. Truth be told I just don’t “ need” it. I was spending money for no good reason…sod that.

Oct 22, 2023 at 05:19 AM

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p.2 #18 · p.2 #18 · EOS M discontinued

steamtrain wrote:
The true difference is in the image quality. The ef-m 32mm is the best lens for crop cameras from Canon. You can't pair the lens to a body with IBIS, and you can't pair the crop body with IBIS to that lens, that's true. But that doesn't make the IQ of the RF 35mm f/1.8 stm on crop any better. The 32mm gave you the L zoom quality in a very compact package. Stunning results in a very flexible focal length. The 35mm is o.k.ish on full frame, but on a 32Mp crop body the IQ can't keep up.

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I prefer stabilized lenses like the RF 35mm IS because it opens up shooting in many more situations than an unstabilized lens when using a tripod isn't possible or practical. The 32mm is a very good lens but I don't think there is a huge difference between it and the 35mm on a 24mp sensor camera. The center portion of the 35mm IS is quite good which is what an APS-C camera will utilize.

Sooner or later, Canon will open the RF mount to third party lens makers. When this happens there will be a hoard of very good RF/RF-S mount lenses available to R APS-C cameras. Way more than what has been the case for the EF-M mount. The R system is the future while the M system will fade away with little to know support for it. I see a lot of previously diehard M users switching to the R system now that Canon has four APS-C R cameras available. IMO, the only thing holding back many from moving to the R system is the lack of RF-S lenses. This will be rectified at some point when third party RF-S lenses are available. When the RF-S 10-18mm lens is out I expect it will entice many more M users to move to the R system.

Oct 22, 2023 at 03:02 PM

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p.2 #19 · p.2 #19 · EOS M discontinued

PicGuy wrote:
I prefer stabilized lenses like the RF 35mm IS because it opens up shooting in many more situations than an unstabilized lens when using a tripod isn't possible or practical. The 32mm is a very good lens but I don't think there is a huge difference between it and the 35mm on a 24mp sensor camera. The center portion of the 35mm IS is quite good which is what an APS-C camera will utilize.

Sooner or later, Canon will open the RF mount to third party lens makers. When this happens there will be a hoard of very good RF/RF-S mount...Show more →

Me personally, I think if canon really wanted to promote the RF-S as a serious alternative to full frame then they really need to up their game and start either producing fast sharp primes and zooms or license others. But the current slow lenses are pitiful
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Lost so much respect for canon.

Oct 23, 2023 at 12:09 AM

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Pixelpuffin wrote:
No ta, I’ll keep my money.
And take pictures with the older gear.

In this way RF introduction made a boon of the EF lenses on the used market. I bought a few (85L II, 70-200/2.8 L IS II, 1.4x Extender III) for prices that I could afford...

Oct 23, 2023 at 08:31 AM

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